Should "date rape" be a lower offense than rape?

...There's a reason no one's liked your post.

I could care less..It isn't like I can trade thumbs for cookies or some other prize

no last i understood about date rape it was just as intrusive as rape, but of course they make it seem like the girl is willing because she is usually under the influence of something

Definitely. A freak who hides in the bushes, then leaps out and attacks a woman, is not in the same category as a normal, decent man who goes on a date, has a few too many whiskies, and gets led on by his date, then thinks that 'no' means 'yes'. If all men were done for that, then most of us would be in jail!

Ahhhh, ok. Glad you cleared that up for us. I only wish I would have known back in my drinking days. I could have had any gal I wanted and it would have been a-ok because I was drunk.

I don't care if she was in the middle of giving you head. As soon as the gal says no, it's no. Period. No excuses and no exceptions. Because you may be drunk is no excuse for that. You can't control yourself when you drink, don't drink. Pretty simple concept.

I don't think people understood my comment, or else they just didn't read it properly. I didn't say date rape is acceptable; I just said that a man who gets carried away on a date is not as bad a person as someone who lurks around in bushes waiting to make a pre-meditated attack on a woman. Both are in the wrong, but one much more so than the other.

No one misunderstood your comment. We only insist that you are wrong. You are excusing the rapists actions because he was drunk, and transfering the blame to the rapee. In actuality, if there is a lesser evil of the two (there is NOT), it is on the part of the stranger rather than the person in whom trust was placed.

Right. I think it's time to end this. All the three people who replied to my comment misinterpreted it to be saying that there was nothing wrong with date rape. What it was actually saying is that a man who has been led on all night, and has had several drinks, and as a result becomes more pushy than he ought to be in the bedroom, yes, is still in the wrong, but is not as bad a person as the man who intends to commit a rape in advance, and attacks a woman out of nowhere. There is a difference!

What!!??
No they are just as bad! So a rapist who befriends you, gains your trust then Rapes you is better than a Boogie man in the bushes?!!
POS! IS A POS!! Doesn't matter how he rapes you!
RAPE IS RAPE!! NO is NO!!
And any man who violates that trust and goes beyond that word should be in jail!!

So if you go out with a friend and you get wasted and he offers to take YOU home, and you say no, its okay for him to bone you anyway??
No...take one in the brown eye.,, from someone you trust or befriend..let them know you are not okay with them taking that,,, then speak up...about it being okay...sounds like you gotta listen to some Sublime...[date rape]

What have queers got to do with this? That is a massively worse crime than rape, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

Jack, take it in the ass against your will, from a friend, someone you befriended[male female with a strap on! ] And then tell me it is okay!! My point!! Duhhh.....
Wolfshadow, I think he should be too! Yikes!!

And nothing to do with "Queers" its being violated by a person you befriend. Male or female. No is No, you should heed that advice, or you might find yourself where all DATE RAPIST, go...Jail....

I never said date rape was okay. People seem to have jumped to fairly extreme conclusions after reading my comment. Read it again. And as for all this business about my anus, well, no decent man would ever want to be involved in that, whether it was consensual or not, so it isn't really a comparable crime.

No really it is comparable, you say no, she says no. You say no Decent man would try or do that, I say the same for Rape, no real man would Rape another! So yes, if a person Bones you against your will, ass, or V-j, it is punishable the same, as rape!!! I re-read your post, I still got the same, from it. If you go out have some whisky and is led on by your date. Its okay to think that "No" means "Yes"....But I guess you mean something different than what I am interrupting....

We're never going to get anywhere here. People are simply not reading my comments properly, even when I point it out to them. I'll leave it there.

You are right on that! I am not, point not seen. Here is best response to this whole topic!!

Sounds kind of like you should be in jail...

I see what you are trying to say, I really do, but at the end of the day they are both doing the same thing. They are FORCING themselves on someone. The only difference between the two is that one is creepier than the other. I still believe both deserve the same sentence. Both (whether drunk or just a creeper) decided to go against their common sense, both decided to do something they knew was wrong, and both decided to act on an impulse and ignored reason. They should be in jail no if, and's or but's about it.
They should be responsible for their actions, if they decide not to be, then there will be consequences. In this case, jail.

Finally, someone who actually read my comment properly! I don't agree with the punishment being the same for both crimes, but it's nice to hear the opinion of a rational person!

lol I had to reread your comment and instantly got what you meant. You just didn't word it right, so people took it to a point where they thought you agree with a certain 'type' of rape and they should get off. (which you don't, you just think it should be a lesser sentence depending on the circumstances)

Anyway, a person who drinks regularly knows their limit and people who don't drink don't know their limit. At that point you have to make a decision whether or not you want to be in control or not. If you decide you want to get wasted (or even have one to many) and you just happened to rape someone during the process, you got to go to jail. Your decision to not be in control of yourself for one night hurt someone else for the rest of their lives physically and mentally. So for that neglect, you get the sentence like any other rapist. That was your crime, so deal with the consequences. They had a decision in their circumstances so I have no sympathy for that, but that's just me.

We understood what he said perfectly, we just don't buy it. Personally I find it more heinous when the rape comes from a person in whom a certain level of trust has been placed because of the added layer of betrayal. I will admit to exaggerating a bit in my first response to Jack, but it was intentional to illustrate the point.

NO! Rape is rape. I might even go for it being punished harsher due to the implication of trust in the term date.

It's still rape

Rape is violence and should be punished, not given tacit approval.

It's still rape.

In fact, it is possible to be raped by your own spouse. Any time you are forced to have sex with someone against your wishes you have been raped, regardless of who they are!

rape is rape. there are no lesser offfences. forcively taking that from someone is aweful. that will nvr leave her. she will never forget and it will haunt her to for the rest of her life expecially if she trusted him and went on a date with him

It's still rape.

Rape is rape.

Wtf? It's all rape! I am offended that this question is even being asked at all!!

should be the same or possibly higher

Rape is still assault against a person whether society thinks someone asked for it or not, and then say it was nothing. Bringing harm to another person directly or indirectly is harmful and has repercussions beyond anyone's perception so it would not be undermined as less than rape. It was non-consensual therefore the punishment should be no less then charges of rape against a person.

Going out on a date with a guy is not an excuse for him to take it too far, let alone rape. Rape is what it is, regardless of the circumstances, and it's WRONG!

Should graduation rape be a lower offense? How about family reunion rape?

The setting doesn't matter. Rape is rape.

Why would anyone ever consider date rape less than rape? It's still rape the methods don't matter.

It is what is .....rape means without consent to me.

Of course not.

Rape is rape no matter the relationship.

Not just no, but HELL NO.

Rape is rape and regardless of when or how it is done the punishment should always be the same.