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Obamacare, Right or Wrong?

brian.fergel 2012/06/29 01:25:37
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"...the U.S. spends more per capita on publicly funded health care than almost every other country in the developed world. And that includes countries that provide free health care to all their citizens" (Harvey Morris, June 28, 2012, 7:08 am).

The United States, in fact, does fall behind in total healthcare expenses. Ironic how U.S. citizens are desperately looking to save costs, but when Obama decides to follow the lead of Europe with socialized healthcare (to make it more affordable here), so many are angry. That doesn't make any sense...
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  • hisomouth 2012/07/02 19:17:55
    Hell No!
    hisomouth
    Guess will just have to VOTE!
  • JAA 2012/07/01 07:47:39 (edited)
    Hell No!
    JAA
    +1
    I understand that the following is what has been said by Donald Trump, but even if he is not the author, it pretty much sums up this whole health care debacle:

    "Let me get this straight . . . We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase & fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!"

    Progressivism is a mental disorder. Statism is a death sentence. Neither bring hope to a nation being flushed down the toilet by the "leaders" (I use this word loosely) of this nation. Our founding fathers, were their souls still in the graves with their bodies, would be turning over in those graves if they knew what only a short number of years has taken from their dreams & hard work. Our soldiers will have died in vain. Please, wake up my liberal friends & see what is happening!!! Do it before it is too late!!
  • Mike 2012/06/30 01:02:58
    Yes!
    Mike
    +1
    The national average per state is in the 15 percentile range of the states budget that goes to medicaid. Obama preaches about poor people. They have health care its called medicaid
  • Always Right 2012/06/29 21:40:11
    Hell No!
    Always Right
    +1
    The Affordable Care Act isn't affordable and the government doesn't care!
  • none 2012/06/29 19:33:39
    Hell No!
    none
    +3
    It might have been a good thing if Congress had read and understood it. Now it's being forced on us, like it or not. I do think that the decision yesterday does more damage to Obama because the mandate is now a tax and he said no new taxes, another Obama lie among so many.
  • stevmackey 2012/06/29 19:26:32
    Hell No!
    stevmackey
    +2
    Tax monster
  • Ed 2012/06/29 17:39:46
    Hell No!
    Ed
    +3
    When will the American igits realize "there is no such thing as free health care in the world"

    You want the American government to run your health care, fine. America will no longer provide the best health care in the world. Feck America's greatness I can understand it you are a Liberal WTF do you care. It's FREE! yeah RIGHT
  • Marie-J... Ed 2012/06/29 18:52:28
    Marie-Jacqueline
    The best healtcare in the world?

    Than explain to me that on many medical issues you have gallen behind with other countries.

    You spend way more money on it but the quality in geneeral is not sufficient.

    Only in a few medical problems you score good.

    Free healthcare is very rare in the world.
    I pay every month a premium, this is much lower as I would pay in the US. It covers me, despite I have a pre-existing condition.

    I won't say Obamacare is perfect. neither is the Dutch one.
    What I think that for the U.S. it is a step in the god direction.

    http://www.commonwealthfund.o...
    "The United States provides some of the best medical care in the world.
    Yet a growing body of evidence indicates that our health care system, as a whole, comes up short compared with what is achieved not only in other industrialized nations but also in some areas within the U.S.
    Although the nation’s health spending is by far the highest in the world, we are the only industrialized nation that fails to guarantee universal health insurance, and millions of our citizens lack affordable access to primary and acute care.
    Moreover, the care that is provided is highly variable in quality and often delivered in a poorly coordinated fashion—driving up costs and putting patients at risk."
    The best healtcare in the world?

    Than explain to me that on many medical issues you have gallen behind with other countries.

    You spend way more money on it but the quality in geneeral is not sufficient.

    Only in a few medical problems you score good.

    Free healthcare is very rare in the world.
    I pay every month a premium, this is much lower as I would pay in the US. It covers me, despite I have a pre-existing condition.

    I won't say Obamacare is perfect. neither is the Dutch one.
    What I think that for the U.S. it is a step in the god direction.

    http://www.commonwealthfund.o...
    "The United States provides some of the best medical care in the world.
    Yet a growing body of evidence indicates that our health care system, as a whole, comes up short compared with what is achieved not only in other industrialized nations but also in some areas within the U.S.
    Although the nation’s health spending is by far the highest in the world, we are the only industrialized nation that fails to guarantee universal health insurance, and millions of our citizens lack affordable access to primary and acute care.
    Moreover, the care that is provided is highly variable in quality and often delivered in a poorly coordinated fashion—driving up costs and putting patients at risk."
    (more)
  • Ed Marie-J... 2012/06/29 19:00:38
    Ed
    +4
    There is a difference between Health Care and Health Insurance In the US the Liberals by habit sugar coat everything tho get people to vote for garbage legislation so they called this a Health Care Act. basically is a Health Insurance Act.

    Health care is provided by Hospitals their doctors, nurses etc. Historically the US has had the best Trauma, burn units, cancer care treatment centers equipment in the world. That will cease to exist in America because the new Health Care Act will make it unaffordable.

    Again there is nothing free, there are no medical services rendered for free in any civilized country unless it is a private charitable contribution by a health care provider.

    Who pays the doctors and hospitals in Canada, Holland, England, where does that money come from?
  • Marie-J... Ed 2012/06/29 20:31:11
    Marie-Jacqueline
    +1
    As I said before:
    Free healthcare is very rare in the world.
    I pay every month a premium, this is much lower as I would pay in the US. It covers me, despite I have a pre-existing condition.

    I ddon't deny at all, if you read my former answer to you that the YS, is very good in certain areas of healthcare.

    Those excellent treatments however are often not for those that can't pay for them.

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  • Ed Marie-J... 2012/07/02 14:13:18
    Ed
    I understand, what you are saying. By the way, NPR is US Government funded and they more often than not, if not all of the time side with the leftist government and they will go our of their way to find anyone who will support government run health insurance over the free market.

    Insurance coverage in America needed to be addressed and updated, more so now with this mess the government has rammed down our throats.

    The pre-existing condition clauses in private policies has been beat before in the US Courts, admittedly not enough times and it's not an efficient way of doing it since it would be on a case by case and insurance companies will only learn how to re-write the clauses so not to get beat in court again, which is what has happened in the past.

    However, this could have been done without a mandate from a central power on the people, telling us buy this product or we will penalize you and if the fine is not paid you may be thrown in jail. That is not how America works, there are people in the US that do not see it or simply do not care being forced.

    There is a lot more to this law Obama and the left has forced on America than meets the. A large segment of our population is very adamant about our individual freedoms and the US Constitution and the limits it places on the ...


    I understand, what you are saying. By the way, NPR is US Government funded and they more often than not, if not all of the time side with the leftist government and they will go our of their way to find anyone who will support government run health insurance over the free market.

    Insurance coverage in America needed to be addressed and updated, more so now with this mess the government has rammed down our throats.

    The pre-existing condition clauses in private policies has been beat before in the US Courts, admittedly not enough times and it's not an efficient way of doing it since it would be on a case by case and insurance companies will only learn how to re-write the clauses so not to get beat in court again, which is what has happened in the past.

    However, this could have been done without a mandate from a central power on the people, telling us buy this product or we will penalize you and if the fine is not paid you may be thrown in jail. That is not how America works, there are people in the US that do not see it or simply do not care being forced.

    There is a lot more to this law Obama and the left has forced on America than meets the. A large segment of our population is very adamant about our individual freedoms and the US Constitution and the limits it places on the Government not the people. We believe we are a nation of laws ruled by law not men. When the constitution is cast aside for political reasons is a danger to our individual freedoms. This has been happening for decades now.


    This Health Care Act is an example of government over reach, government threatening individual choices and an act of power grabbing by the left to take over yet another private industry.
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  • LesWaggoner BN 1 2012/06/29 17:22:10
    Yes!
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    As with any other major legislation there will be amendments to address any issues encountered provided the Republicans cooperate.
  • JAA LesWagg... 2012/07/01 07:53:20
    JAA
    +1
    The Republicans should not "cooperate" in the dismantling of our country. I give them permission to beat the living hell out of the progressives & statists until they give us back our country that so many of our families have sacrificed for.

    "Let me get this straight . . . We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase & fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!" Donald Trump
  • LesWagg... JAA 2012/07/02 15:08:03
  • JAA LesWagg... 2012/07/03 17:08:45 (edited)
  • LesWagg... JAA 2012/07/03 20:05:51
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    Let me make a distinction here. Those whose thinking is extreme, political or otherwise, are less prone to investigate what they hear. They just assume that the speaker knows better than they do.
    When you get to the far fringes of political preference, right or left, I don't think there is much difference in intellect. Neither side is willing to expand their knowledge of what is going on in the world. They lack the willingness to do any research on the issues that face us but rather repeat the party line without question.
    When it comes to intellect there are two parts. The first is Intelligence Quotient which demonstrates an ability to resolve problems. The second is common sense which is the ability to put IQ to work.
    I am of the opinion that these types are just too damned lazy to put any effort into investigating what they hear.
  • luvguins 2012/06/29 15:27:12
    Yes!
    luvguins
    +2
    it is not the ACA that is the problem as it is health care costs which are higher here than any other country. Doctors and hospitals have been riding the moolah gravy train for too long.
  • MJ 2012/06/29 14:43:39
    Yes!
    MJ
    +1
    I think ObamaCare is Right.
  • Mr.Steve 2012/06/29 14:43:14
  • JaguarS... Mr.Steve 2012/06/29 15:33:42
  • Mr.Steve JaguarS... 2012/06/29 15:39:30
  • JaguarS... Mr.Steve 2012/06/29 15:59:22
  • Mr.Steve JaguarS... 2012/06/29 16:02:43
  • JaguarS... Mr.Steve 2012/06/29 16:09:32
    JaguarSocialist
    I'm not giving you my email address. Either post the information or admit you're a damn liar.
  • JaguarS... Mr.Steve 2012/06/29 16:07:52 (edited)
  • JAA JaguarS... 2012/07/01 07:56:02
    JAA
    "Let me get this straight . . . We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase & fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agensts, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administrerd by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Secuirty and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!"
    Donald Trump

    Progressivism is a mental disorder & is evil. Statism is a death sentence to our country. Neither brings hope to a nation being flushed down the proverbial socialist toilet.
  • JaguarS... JAA 2012/07/01 15:29:39
  • JAA JaguarS... 2012/07/01 21:41:09 (edited)
    JAA
    No, sonny boy, that came from MY 59 years experience & education on this earth, take it or leave it. I couldn't care less. Now, please go away, as talking to a brick wall is not my favorite thing to do. Thanks in advance.
  • JaguarS... JAA 2012/07/01 23:02:51
    JaguarSocialist
    In other words, you don't have any facts to support your rants.
  • JAA JaguarS... 2012/07/02 04:26:32
    JAA
    I was responding to your post. I didn't realize I had to cite "facts" for an opinion. I asked you please to go away & you did not. Your poor breeding & manners is quite evident. Bye.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/29 13:47:32
    Yes!
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    About time we joined the rest of the civilized countries.
  • JAA Lady Wh... 2012/07/01 08:00:33
    JAA
    Sure, if you for tyranny, socialism, statism, & being debt slaves forever. I hope we NEVER have to live in the world that you envision for our country!
  • JaguarS... JAA 2012/07/01 15:29:56
    JaguarSocialist
    Every American is a socialist including you!
  • JAA JaguarS... 2012/07/01 21:42:05
    JAA
    Like I said, liberalism is a mental disorder. Please, do us all a favor & find a good doctor. Now, leave me alone or I will flag you for cyberbullying.
  • JaguarS... JAA 2012/07/01 23:03:14
    JaguarSocialist
    I can prove you're a socialist.
  • Plantgypc 2012/06/29 12:43:22
    Hell No!
    Plantgypc
    +5
    All it is is another tax. The fine for not having insurance which is NOT free is a minimum of $95 or 1 % of your wages which ever is higher. So if you make minimum wage and can't afford what they consider affordable, you will have to give them 7.5 cents an hour to the government. That's $150 a year. That's for you and then there's your husband or wife. Then there's your children. Figure if a man and woman have 2 kids that could be $490 a year because you can't afford insurance. It said this wasn't a tax, yet now he's claiming it is, so the Supreme Court would pass it.

    obama tax
  • JaguarS... Plantgypc 2012/06/29 15:34:08
    JaguarSocialist
    Obama never said health care is free.
  • Plantgypc JaguarS... 2012/06/29 17:35:24
    Plantgypc
    +2
    He also said it wasn't a tax, yet now the democrats are agreeing with the SC, saying it is.
  • JaguarS... Plantgypc 2012/06/29 17:38:52
    JaguarSocialist
    +1
    That was his opinion; the Court disagreed. Even if it is a tax, Congress had the constitutional power to impose it. What part of that power do you fail to grasp?
  • Plantgypc JaguarS... 2012/06/29 18:27:20
    Plantgypc
    +2
    Obama lied about it being a tax. Now he says it is. What part of that don't you grasp?

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