Move that limbo bar lower, and lower, and lower. It's one thing to promulgate the Dependency Nation. It's another to lie while you're doing it.
Seems that every time he opens his mouth, it's a lie.
Obama campaign sinks to a new low - scares seniors to death
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That's Barack Obama for you: the Pied Piper of Florida's Villages. Leading away seniors instead of children. Filling them with all sorts of dire messages about what his opponents are going to do.
He's also throwing off on Romney and Ryan, even as he says they are throwing granny off the cliff. He raided Medicare. Paul Ryan would not.
This is only the latest, and the lowest, thing the Obama campaign has done. He throws off blame, takes credit where it is not due, promises the Moon to people, and has something for everybody. Except our soldiers, and anyone trying to keep traditional support systems (family, neighborhood, church) alive. Oh, and did I mention trying to make sure he can vote the cemetery and the prison? (Kudos to Pennsylvania!)
He's also throwing off on Romney and Ryan, even as he says they are throwing granny off the cliff. He raided Medicare. Paul Ryan would not.
This is only the latest, and the lowest, thing the Obama campaign has done. He throws off blame, takes credit where it is not due, promises the Moon to people, and has something for everybody. Except our soldiers, and anyone trying to keep traditional support systems (family, neighborhood, church) alive. Oh, and did I mention trying to make sure he can vote the cemetery and the prison? (Kudos to Pennsylvania!)
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Lawyers, car salesmen, and Politicians. What order should they be in?
No order needed they all lie all the time.
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And to think Obama tells this woman that her 'elderly mother' should 'just take a pill', while elderly Senate leaders are 100% exempt from ObamaDEATHCare!
Any Senior not over medicated knows Obamacare is a death sentence for them.
I would think that seeing money removed to and used to fund other programs would be give away. Plus the fact that all government funded healthcare will all be dumped into one program eventually. Then the fact that that single program will be funded by, supposedly, everyone buying coverage, which will cost more that the "penalty" for not buying personal coverage. Then you have the "undocumented". Already getting Federal (tax payer) food stamps ect, ect. They are getting Medicade, which will be dumped into Obamacare along with Medicare. Big chunk of change.
I seriously don't see too many people buying coverage when they can save several thousands by simply paying a penalty and being automaticly covered under a single plan. Which will then be under funded. Now you may say, the government will cover that, but how? Business's are already cutting labour so they don't have to pay health coverage for them, so fewer tax payers. Barrow the money? 16% of the Fed budget is already paying intrest on loans. Tax the rich? Right. Tax the people who donate major funds to campaings or hire politicians children. Many will simply continue placing money over seas. Tax that? Doubt that. The same Congress that writes the tax laws already use those ...
I would think that seeing money removed to and used to fund other programs would be give away. Plus the fact that all government funded healthcare will all be dumped into one program eventually. Then the fact that that single program will be funded by, supposedly, everyone buying coverage, which will cost more that the "penalty" for not buying personal coverage. Then you have the "undocumented". Already getting Federal (tax payer) food stamps ect, ect. They are getting Medicade, which will be dumped into Obamacare along with Medicare. Big chunk of change.
I seriously don't see too many people buying coverage when they can save several thousands by simply paying a penalty and being automaticly covered under a single plan. Which will then be under funded. Now you may say, the government will cover that, but how? Business's are already cutting labour so they don't have to pay health coverage for them, so fewer tax payers. Barrow the money? 16% of the Fed budget is already paying intrest on loans. Tax the rich? Right. Tax the people who donate major funds to campaings or hire politicians children. Many will simply continue placing money over seas. Tax that? Doubt that. The same Congress that writes the tax laws already use those same laws to avoid paying more than they mite. Even Obama uses the tax code to avoid as much tax burden as he can.
In short, assuming Obamacare is not trashed, funding will be short, so services will be cut. Who uses the most medical services when? Seniors in their last 10-20 years of life.
Obama told one person openly and in public that their mother should just be given a pill to cover her pain, do you believe your life and health means more?
As for the money removed from medicare it was money that was being wasted given to hospitals and health insurance companies for benefits they recieved already. In other words they were paying healthcare companies for nothing. Now that money gives people like me more benefits and extends the life of medicare by another 8 years. At least it's being spent on something useful not some CEO of a healthcare company's pockets.
We need a single payer plan. If people don't but insurance and decide to pay a fine and then get sick everyone with an insurance policy will pay the price of the free loader. Illegals aren't the only problem we have. The uninsured are the problem also. More bankrupcies are due to medical reasons then any other cause of bankrupcies. Republicans should have taken their own advice and made everyone buy insurance. I made my son buy insurance when he started working. He had to go to the emergency room about a month ago for his back. He could hardly walk for 3 days. The bill would have been over $1,500 if he didn't have insurance. He doesn't have the money as most people don't. Had he been admitted to t...
As for the money removed from medicare it was money that was being wasted given to hospitals and health insurance companies for benefits they recieved already. In other words they were paying healthcare companies for nothing. Now that money gives people like me more benefits and extends the life of medicare by another 8 years. At least it's being spent on something useful not some CEO of a healthcare company's pockets.
We need a single payer plan. If people don't but insurance and decide to pay a fine and then get sick everyone with an insurance policy will pay the price of the free loader. Illegals aren't the only problem we have. The uninsured are the problem also. More bankrupcies are due to medical reasons then any other cause of bankrupcies. Republicans should have taken their own advice and made everyone buy insurance. I made my son buy insurance when he started working. He had to go to the emergency room about a month ago for his back. He could hardly walk for 3 days. The bill would have been over $1,500 if he didn't have insurance. He doesn't have the money as most people don't. Had he been admitted to the hospital for a couple of days you could easily double or triple that cost. At least Obama and the dems tried to do something all the republicans do is say let the free market do it's thing. I know how well that works.
If the money was such a waste why was more not made of its transfere? And the one time transfere of 700+ Billion is about enough to keep the Federal government going for about a week. Still a chunk of cash though.
I strongly disagree about a single payer plan. Single payer means single decider. But that aside, you missed the point. If people decide to pay the fine instead of buying a policy, they will be covered under Obamacare. But after having decided to spend less than coverage truely cost, and that means everyone else is on the hook for their care anyway. And aside from that there is no dedicated funding other than the general revenue fund, which will mean unelected bureaucrats will be deciding wheither or when funding will be available and what amounts. And just this year we have seen several examples of how well they care for our tax dollars.
I applaude you for encouraging your son in buying insurance. My wife had quadtrupile bypass last October. I know very well the cost and was glad I have always insist...
If the money was such a waste why was more not made of its transfere? And the one time transfere of 700+ Billion is about enough to keep the Federal government going for about a week. Still a chunk of cash though.
I strongly disagree about a single payer plan. Single payer means single decider. But that aside, you missed the point. If people decide to pay the fine instead of buying a policy, they will be covered under Obamacare. But after having decided to spend less than coverage truely cost, and that means everyone else is on the hook for their care anyway. And aside from that there is no dedicated funding other than the general revenue fund, which will mean unelected bureaucrats will be deciding wheither or when funding will be available and what amounts. And just this year we have seen several examples of how well they care for our tax dollars.
I applaude you for encouraging your son in buying insurance. My wife had quadtrupile bypass last October. I know very well the cost and was glad I have always insist we have a policy. What do do with the uninsured? Make their decision for them. Even Mass has not seen a decrease in medicle insurance cost..
Each of us has made a decision on where we stand, and we each think the other is wrong. I am forced to accept your preference against my will as insurance companys are already prepairing to cater only to the very rich. They will not be able to compete with the Fed. Government, which can raise any tax it desires to spend as it will. And with so many Dr's already quitting Medicair/Medicade because payment is below cost there will be fewer Doctors to see patients anyway. Bottle necks.
But since you appeare to be a few years older you will experience it sooner than I will and can then tell me wheither I am wrong in services being reduced for seniors. Good luck to you, and please let me know.
The food stamp program was expanded under Bush who made it easier to get food stamps. Good for him. I agree with him on that.
700 billion dollars is enough to keep the government going for about a week. That means we spend $36 trillion 400 billion dollars a year. I don't think so. Maybe you meant $700 million not billion.
If people opt out and decide to be fined they will have no insurance. They won't be covered under the ACA.
Mass hasn't seen a decrease in medical cost but they have seen a slowing of them. This insurance bill wasn't meant to decrease the cost of health care costs but to slow them down because they are out of control. Almost nothing goes down in price and since everything goes up in price we'd all rather see them go up more slowly.
Here is where you are confused. Obamacare or the ACA is private insurance not government run insurance. Government insurance would have been the public option but we didn't get that. Everyone made to buy a policy buys from the same businesses that have them now like United Healthcare, Aetna, Blue Cross etc.
Now doctors get lower reimbersm...
The food stamp program was expanded under Bush who made it easier to get food stamps. Good for him. I agree with him on that.
700 billion dollars is enough to keep the government going for about a week. That means we spend $36 trillion 400 billion dollars a year. I don't think so. Maybe you meant $700 million not billion.
If people opt out and decide to be fined they will have no insurance. They won't be covered under the ACA.
Mass hasn't seen a decrease in medical cost but they have seen a slowing of them. This insurance bill wasn't meant to decrease the cost of health care costs but to slow them down because they are out of control. Almost nothing goes down in price and since everything goes up in price we'd all rather see them go up more slowly.
Here is where you are confused. Obamacare or the ACA is private insurance not government run insurance. Government insurance would have been the public option but we didn't get that. Everyone made to buy a policy buys from the same businesses that have them now like United Healthcare, Aetna, Blue Cross etc.
Now doctors get lower reimbersment payments for medicaid but did you ever look at what insurance companies pay to doctors. It isn't much more. Check your insurance statement after a doctors visit. I think if we were able to eliminate all the BS out there we could come up with a good plan for everyone but all the politicians and healthcare companies do is BS the people.
I agree that prices constantly go up, so why was/is everyone argueing over insurance cost to begin with? Because as each aspect of the Insurance Industry rises, labour and tax, medical expertise including doctors and nurses, hospitle labour and maintenance, utilities. These all, from the Hospitle administration down to the janitor and contract labour will continue adding expense that must and will be passed on. Medical care is not charity.
All Congress has done is add the expense of more government on top of Doctor/Hospitle overhead. When doctors/hospitles do bussiness with insurance companys there is negotiation going on. Government does not negotiate Medicare/medicade. It dictates. But if the payments of insurance to doctors/hospitles was not much more than medicare/cade payments, then why did we need this over reaching bill to begine with?
Only to make sure contracts were enforced and patients were not neglected for profit. If that were allowed then government was not doing its job anyway, so why give more responsibility?
Basicly ypou are saying that you trust the people who will handle your care and benefit to police themselves, which government is never good at doing.
I am not saying they should be, but simply stateting that the natural consequence of hospitales being unable to refuse treatment, because of an act of Congress, is that cost being passed on to others who are. It will be no different with the Obamacare law, except Congress will be able to tax us directly to make up any difference.
And again you overlook a point I made. if people refuse to purchase insurance all they will need to do to comply is pay a fine that is lower than the cost of a policy. And if an indigent can't even pay the fine and is jailed, well prisoners in most facilitys already get better care than I do with my policy, paid by tax payers.
You and I are still paying for their car, just through a different channel. The IRS.
Lastly raise the fines or make them pay if the go get care and if they don't make it mandatory jail time. Hey we progressives can be hard asses too you know.
The first option, like a business cutting expenses, will be to reduce care for someone. And I maintain that seniors are the obvious option because they use the highest portion of healthcare. Your care will be reduced in favour of younger people, many of who will not pay the full amount by buying coverage.
Why do Right Wing Nut Jobs lie so much anyway?
Does anyone know?
But that, of course, is not true of the millions of victims of Right Wing malfeasance who were dealt a rougher hand in GW's Great Recession, while Wall Street Bakers and fat cats, major contributors to Romney's campaign, still rake in the big bucks.
Face it Serenity . . .
Right Wing Nut Jobs are America's Enemy Number ONE.