We haven't gone far enough.
I am so tired of LGBT Uncle Toms telling me that I need to "respect" the opinions of people who go around saying that my love for my partner is sinful, that I shouldn't be allowed to be married, and that people like me should not have employment protections. Those opinions are bigoted, not respectable, and not to be respected. The fact that those opinions are often cloaked in "religious faith" does not make them respectable. The southern racists in the 1950s cloaked their bigotry in "religious faith".
LGBT people often grow up internalizing the homophobia and transphobia that they grew up with. And I think internalized homophobia and transphobia is often the cause of LGBT people making excuses for our enemies, for the people who publicly disrespect us and wish to prevent us from obtaining equal rights.
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Activists Too Far???
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I am gay... but ahm... are they taking this to extremes which are unnecessary?
Top Opinion
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Joanie 2012/08/21 14:42:57Hell No


















And this can take a long long time , because there just are so many stupid people in the world..
But no, When it comes to basic civil rights of ANY US CITIZEN, it is totally unacceptable to not fight back against the incursion into the removal of such rights.
There is myth being spread by Christian Conservatives that by demanding equal treatment under the law we are infringing on their right to practice their religion freely. Their beliefs have no place in employment, housing, and civil law, so this is untrue.
People assume the right to free speech means their opinions must be respected and treated as if they are factual.
Their RIGHT to express their opinions must be respected, the opinion itself does not. An opinion is not a fact and it does not carry the same weight as facts when it comes to the law. How one feels and what one thinks are not valid arguments for discrimination.
This is NOT a valid argument; "I hate homos and if you say I am a bigot you are guilty of hate speech." I see variations of this all the time and it is ridiculous. It does not make me a hater for pointing out your bigotry if you are a bigot.
LGBT people have never demanded legislated special rights. We are demanding the same rights and privileges enjoyed by all other American citizens.
There is no right to marriage in the Constitution.
(That is a complicated argument for Constitutional scholars and I have yet to find one SodaHead.) The fact is that since 1888 th...
There is myth being spread by Christian Conservatives that by demanding equal treatment under the law we are infringing on their right to practice their religion freely. Their beliefs have no place in employment, housing, and civil law, so this is untrue.
People assume the right to free speech means their opinions must be respected and treated as if they are factual.
Their RIGHT to express their opinions must be respected, the opinion itself does not. An opinion is not a fact and it does not carry the same weight as facts when it comes to the law. How one feels and what one thinks are not valid arguments for discrimination.
This is NOT a valid argument; "I hate homos and if you say I am a bigot you are guilty of hate speech." I see variations of this all the time and it is ridiculous. It does not make me a hater for pointing out your bigotry if you are a bigot.
LGBT people have never demanded legislated special rights. We are demanding the same rights and privileges enjoyed by all other American citizens.
There is no right to marriage in the Constitution.
(That is a complicated argument for Constitutional scholars and I have yet to find one SodaHead.) The fact is that since 1888 the Supreme Court ruled marriage to be a civil right 14 times. But for the sake of argument let's assume there is no right to marriage in the Constitution. Is it constitutional to deny same-sex marriage through a state law or amendment to a state's constitution? NO. Read the 14th Amendment and learn what the Equal Protection and Due Process clauses actually say. The language is very clear. The state must have a compelling interest to deny equal protection by law. If one thinks the state does have such an interest they need to prove it court. So far no one has been able to it and THAT is why Prop. 8 was overturned in California. Which brings me to my next point:
An activist judge is a judge you don't agree with. Claiming otherwise is an old and tired argument used by people who have no legal basis for their opinions.
Thirty eight states have laws banning same-sex marriage. That is what the majority of people want so the government should stay out of it.
What the majority thinks does not matter legally or morally. Again, read the 14th Amendment. Also do some reading and it becomes clear this argument has been used for centuries as a justification for a wide variety of issues. In the end it's always about treating others as equals and there is no justifiable reason to anything but that.
There is nothing unreasonable or pushy in anything I have said. No one is being forced to accept anything into their private lives they do not want there. No one if forcing anyone to change their religious beliefs, accept homosexuality as "legitimate", or even be cordial to LGBT people. But no one can expect me or any other tax-paying, law-abiding LGBT person to accept less than other American citizens.
Marriage existed way before Christianity was ever dreamed up. Before Judaism was ever dreamed up. Before Zoroastrianism. Marriage was created by Pagans. It's not a Christian religious institution. WE perfected marriage. WE created marriage. So the Christians should not get a say in what is and is not permissible for our religious rites.
The concept of marriage predates Christianity and the other two forms of Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam which share a common origin and common values. Marriage is very ancient dating back beyond recorded history and was practiced by all people of many cultures, ethnicities and belief systems on all continents.
The Origins of Marriage Traditions and how Marriage is a PAGAN Institution
http://paganafterlifeandsalva...
My point wasn't made clear enough, and was just loosely thrown out there.
Groups forcing others into agreeing or punishment is too far... as there's LGBT groups out there, which take it to levels which are overboard.
I want free rights, but not at the expense of hate. People shouldn't be forced into education on the matter either. On here I was reading, some groups do do this. That's the extremes I am talking about. I should have made that clear too.
PS
Is it really Thirty Eight States? That's sickening.
I've come to the conclusion that line is clearly written in the Constitution. There is no reason to expect everyone in America will accept everyone else. That will never happen and who cares anyway? The only rights I expect are those in the Constitution, which is what everyone expects. That's it.
I've done the parades and Act-Up, and there was time when they served a valuable purpose. I think that time has passed and it's time for the next step.
It's pretty clear everyone knows that next step is inevitable which is why the arguments are changing. "Homos are child molesters" doesn't cut it anymore. Now it's about "special rights" and "infringing on my religious beliefs" but those arguments are no more factual than any other.
Do people have to educated on homosexuality? Do they have to accept it? Of course not. People can believe whatever they choose to believe. But a belief is not a fact and none of us have to live according to what someone else believes.
P.S. It's about 38 states but it's complicated. Some ban ...
I've come to the conclusion that line is clearly written in the Constitution. There is no reason to expect everyone in America will accept everyone else. That will never happen and who cares anyway? The only rights I expect are those in the Constitution, which is what everyone expects. That's it.
I've done the parades and Act-Up, and there was time when they served a valuable purpose. I think that time has passed and it's time for the next step.
It's pretty clear everyone knows that next step is inevitable which is why the arguments are changing. "Homos are child molesters" doesn't cut it anymore. Now it's about "special rights" and "infringing on my religious beliefs" but those arguments are no more factual than any other.
Do people have to educated on homosexuality? Do they have to accept it? Of course not. People can believe whatever they choose to believe. But a belief is not a fact and none of us have to live according to what someone else believes.
P.S. It's about 38 states but it's complicated. Some ban any union between two people of the same sex. Some allow civil unions but not marriage. A few allow marriage. Then there are some where the issue is pending one way or the other and some were effected by Prop 8 in California being over turned.
If you look at polls it's just as confusing as who believes what and how many support or oppose marriage or civil unions. There is only one thing I can tell from a poll. If someone uses a poll that shows a majority of Americans oppose gay marriage, that person opposes it as well. Ditto for those who use polls showing the majority supports it.
Very Good Writing. ;-)
Have-a good day.
Marriage existed way before Christianity was ever dreamed up. Before Judaism was ever dreamed up. Before Zoroastrianism. Marriage was created by Pagans. It's not a Christian religious institution. WE perfected marriage. WE created marriage. So the Christians should not get a say in what is and is not permissible for our religious rites.
The concept of marriage predates Christianity and the other two forms of Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam which share a common origin and common values. Marriage is very ancient dating back beyond recorded history and was practiced by all people of many cultures, ethnicities and belief systems on all continents.
The Origins of Marriage Traditions and how Marriage is a PAGAN Institution
http://paganafterlifeandsalva...
Christianity did not invent marriage so they have no say in marriage ceremonies
Pagans invented marriage and Same Sex marriage was always allowed and Recongized back then and Even today
Top Ten Reasons why Gay marriage should be Allowed in All 50 States
http://paganafterlifeandsalva...
hes a Fool Stand proud of who you are
However, that being said, if the one's that go way out there and are seeking special treatment over and above what everyone else receives, then yes, way too far... As I stated above: EQUAL TREATMENT FOR ALL PEOPLE...
LGBTQ should be treated equally as everyone else, but not treated special...
TRUE LGBTQ activists are only seeking EQUAL, not special treatment...
I am so tired of LGBT Uncle Toms telling me that I need to "respect" the opinions of people who go around saying that my love for my partner is sinful, that I shouldn't be allowed to be married, and that people like me should not have employment protections. Those opinions are bigoted, not respectable, and not to be respected. The fact that those opinions are often cloaked in "religious faith" does not make them respectable. The southern racists in the 1950s cloaked their bigotry in "religious faith".
LGBT people often grow up internalizing the homophobia and transphobia that they grew up with. And I think internalized homophobia and transphobia is often the cause of LGBT people making excuses for our enemies, for the people who publicly disrespect us and wish to prevent us from obtaining equal rights.