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Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Activists Too Far???

Fievel 2012/08/21 04:54:34
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I am gay... but ahm... are they taking this to extremes which are unnecessary?
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  • Joanie 2012/08/21 14:42:57
    Hell No
    Joanie
    +15
    We haven't gone far enough.

    I am so tired of LGBT Uncle Toms telling me that I need to "respect" the opinions of people who go around saying that my love for my partner is sinful, that I shouldn't be allowed to be married, and that people like me should not have employment protections. Those opinions are bigoted, not respectable, and not to be respected. The fact that those opinions are often cloaked in "religious faith" does not make them respectable. The southern racists in the 1950s cloaked their bigotry in "religious faith".

    LGBT people often grow up internalizing the homophobia and transphobia that they grew up with. And I think internalized homophobia and transphobia is often the cause of LGBT people making excuses for our enemies, for the people who publicly disrespect us and wish to prevent us from obtaining equal rights.

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  • Nameless 2012/08/26 15:43:15
    Hell No
    Nameless
    Fighting for equal rights for all is NEVER taking it "too far."
  • "SennaKoshiba" 2012/08/24 02:08:25
    Hell No
    "SennaKoshiba"
    No. There are people that assume we shove every ounce of our beliefs down their throats, well; guess what shoved us in the closet, which we stayed in for fear of our own lives? Oh so funny, is it not? They BEAT their beliefs with stone, fire, fist, and blade, who says WE'RE the ones that have gone too far?? And their transgressions are still carried out in today's society, even in America!
  • Bastion 2012/08/22 15:24:20
    Hell No
    Bastion
  • Eddie 2012/08/22 11:25:50
    Undecided
    Eddie
    I don't think LBGT has gone too far in seeking to have equal rights and recognition in marrige. But I do think that much of the outrageous and in your face antics that draw negaitive attention at events like pride parades and some protest demonstrations have a decidedly counter-productive effect on movements to promote positive change, recognition and general social acceptance.
  • Mr Chin 2012/08/22 06:12:43
    Maybe So
    Mr Chin
    Maybe just a bit. But I can understand their frustration. It doesn't feel like their America but like an America designed for strait religious extremists. Today a gay marriage can be legal and the next day illegal. I call that frustrating. Maybe they just need to refocus their protests on something other than chicken joints.
  • rustex782 2012/08/22 05:05:49
    Hell No
    rustex782
    they believe in something and are doing something about it. It doesn't matter if others don't approve, its not any one else s cause to worry about.
  • Arianne 2012/08/22 04:57:21
    Hell No
    Arianne
    Since when was asking for equal rights going too far?
  • Dave 2012/08/22 04:49:31
    Hell No
    Dave
    How can anyone think that they have gone too far. I read today about another case where a hospital refused to allow the gay partner from visiting. I heard some idiot state that gay marriage hurts his marriage (huh? How?). What - because he's a gay man stuck in a heterosexual marriage? What could he have possibly meant by that?
  • DutchHeretic Native non-Ame... 2012/08/22 03:53:57
    Hell No
    DutchHeretic Native non-American
    I am straight but until ALL kinds of people have the same rights are treated the same as every one are respected as everyone it IS necessary ..
    And this can take a long long time , because there just are so many stupid people in the world..
  • findthelight2000 2012/08/21 21:32:18
    Hell No
    findthelight2000
    Since they are still being treated unfairly in society. I'd say they have not yet done enough.
  • bob h. 2012/08/21 19:21:00
    Maybe So
    bob h.
    +1
    Meant to say no. Not nearly far enough. It's the bible bangers that have gone way too far. "Gimme 10% or you're going to hell?"
  • Mark In Irvine 2012/08/21 17:55:50
    Hell No
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    since when is demanding fair and equal treatment by the law going "too far"?
  • sjalan 2012/08/21 16:59:32
    Hell No
    sjalan
    +1
    You really should have given examples to back up your question.

    But no, When it comes to basic civil rights of ANY US CITIZEN, it is totally unacceptable to not fight back against the incursion into the removal of such rights.
  • Thomas Rea: Gay Christian A... 2012/08/21 16:41:44
    Hell No
    Thomas Rea: Gay Christian Advocate
    +2
    I will stand where I believe is right.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/08/21 16:41:34
    Hell No
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    What are you talking about you said nothing EXPLAIN what your talking about
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/08/21 16:27:48 (edited)
    Hell No
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +4
    You haven't mentioned anything specifically so as a general answer I would say no. Not even close.



    There is myth being spread by Christian Conservatives that by demanding equal treatment under the law we are infringing on their right to practice their religion freely. Their beliefs have no place in employment, housing, and civil law, so this is untrue.



    People assume the right to free speech means their opinions must be respected and treated as if they are factual.

    Their RIGHT to express their opinions must be respected, the opinion itself does not. An opinion is not a fact and it does not carry the same weight as facts when it comes to the law. How one feels and what one thinks are not valid arguments for discrimination.



    This is NOT a valid argument; "I hate homos and if you say I am a bigot you are guilty of hate speech." I see variations of this all the time and it is ridiculous. It does not make me a hater for pointing out your bigotry if you are a bigot.



    LGBT people have never demanded legislated special rights. We are demanding the same rights and privileges enjoyed by all other American citizens.



    There is no right to marriage in the Constitution.

    (That is a complicated argument for Constitutional scholars and I have yet to find one SodaHead.) The fact is that since 1888 th...













    You haven't mentioned anything specifically so as a general answer I would say no. Not even close.



    There is myth being spread by Christian Conservatives that by demanding equal treatment under the law we are infringing on their right to practice their religion freely. Their beliefs have no place in employment, housing, and civil law, so this is untrue.



    People assume the right to free speech means their opinions must be respected and treated as if they are factual.

    Their RIGHT to express their opinions must be respected, the opinion itself does not. An opinion is not a fact and it does not carry the same weight as facts when it comes to the law. How one feels and what one thinks are not valid arguments for discrimination.



    This is NOT a valid argument; "I hate homos and if you say I am a bigot you are guilty of hate speech." I see variations of this all the time and it is ridiculous. It does not make me a hater for pointing out your bigotry if you are a bigot.



    LGBT people have never demanded legislated special rights. We are demanding the same rights and privileges enjoyed by all other American citizens.



    There is no right to marriage in the Constitution.

    (That is a complicated argument for Constitutional scholars and I have yet to find one SodaHead.) The fact is that since 1888 the Supreme Court ruled marriage to be a civil right 14 times. But for the sake of argument let's assume there is no right to marriage in the Constitution. Is it constitutional to deny same-sex marriage through a state law or amendment to a state's constitution? NO. Read the 14th Amendment and learn what the Equal Protection and Due Process clauses actually say. The language is very clear. The state must have a compelling interest to deny equal protection by law. If one thinks the state does have such an interest they need to prove it court. So far no one has been able to it and THAT is why Prop. 8 was overturned in California. Which brings me to my next point:



    An activist judge is a judge you don't agree with. Claiming otherwise is an old and tired argument used by people who have no legal basis for their opinions.



    Thirty eight states have laws banning same-sex marriage. That is what the majority of people want so the government should stay out of it.

    What the majority thinks does not matter legally or morally. Again, read the 14th Amendment. Also do some reading and it becomes clear this argument has been used for centuries as a justification for a wide variety of issues. In the end it's always about treating others as equals and there is no justifiable reason to anything but that.



    There is nothing unreasonable or pushy in anything I have said. No one is being forced to accept anything into their private lives they do not want there. No one if forcing anyone to change their religious beliefs, accept homosexuality as "legitimate", or even be cordial to LGBT people. But no one can expect me or any other tax-paying, law-abiding LGBT person to accept less than other American citizens.
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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Chris- ... 2012/08/21 16:42:41
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +3
    Gay marriage doesn't harm anybody and does not take any rights away from you. You still can believe it is a sin and worship in your church. Not everyone believes in the bible and biblical laws should not be forced on everyone. This isn't a theocracy. Marriage is not a Christian institution. Marriage existed before Christianity. In the U.S., Atheists, Agnostics,Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Wiccans, etc. are also allowed to get married. But, I do not see anyone complaining about that.

    Marriage existed way before Christianity was ever dreamed up. Before Judaism was ever dreamed up. Before Zoroastrianism. Marriage was created by Pagans. It's not a Christian religious institution. WE perfected marriage. WE created marriage. So the Christians should not get a say in what is and is not permissible for our religious rites.


    The concept of marriage predates Christianity and the other two forms of Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam which share a common origin and common values. Marriage is very ancient dating back beyond recorded history and was practiced by all people of many cultures, ethnicities and belief systems on all continents.

    The Origins of Marriage Traditions and how Marriage is a PAGAN Institution
    http://paganafterlifeandsalva...
  • Fievel Chris- ... 2012/08/21 16:47:02
    Fievel
    +3
    In a single word... agreed.
    My point wasn't made clear enough, and was just loosely thrown out there.
    Groups forcing others into agreeing or punishment is too far... as there's LGBT groups out there, which take it to levels which are overboard.
    I want free rights, but not at the expense of hate. People shouldn't be forced into education on the matter either. On here I was reading, some groups do do this. That's the extremes I am talking about. I should have made that clear too.


    PS


    Is it really Thirty Eight States? That's sickening.
  • Chris- ... Fievel 2012/08/21 17:52:11
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    I've been out for close to thirty years so I understood exactly what you thinking because I've thought the same things before. There is definitely a line between standing up for equality and forcing your own beliefs in peoples faces and demanding they do what you say.
    I've come to the conclusion that line is clearly written in the Constitution. There is no reason to expect everyone in America will accept everyone else. That will never happen and who cares anyway? The only rights I expect are those in the Constitution, which is what everyone expects. That's it.
    I've done the parades and Act-Up, and there was time when they served a valuable purpose. I think that time has passed and it's time for the next step.
    It's pretty clear everyone knows that next step is inevitable which is why the arguments are changing. "Homos are child molesters" doesn't cut it anymore. Now it's about "special rights" and "infringing on my religious beliefs" but those arguments are no more factual than any other.
    Do people have to educated on homosexuality? Do they have to accept it? Of course not. People can believe whatever they choose to believe. But a belief is not a fact and none of us have to live according to what someone else believes.


    P.S. It's about 38 states but it's complicated. Some ban ...
    I've been out for close to thirty years so I understood exactly what you thinking because I've thought the same things before. There is definitely a line between standing up for equality and forcing your own beliefs in peoples faces and demanding they do what you say.
    I've come to the conclusion that line is clearly written in the Constitution. There is no reason to expect everyone in America will accept everyone else. That will never happen and who cares anyway? The only rights I expect are those in the Constitution, which is what everyone expects. That's it.
    I've done the parades and Act-Up, and there was time when they served a valuable purpose. I think that time has passed and it's time for the next step.
    It's pretty clear everyone knows that next step is inevitable which is why the arguments are changing. "Homos are child molesters" doesn't cut it anymore. Now it's about "special rights" and "infringing on my religious beliefs" but those arguments are no more factual than any other.
    Do people have to educated on homosexuality? Do they have to accept it? Of course not. People can believe whatever they choose to believe. But a belief is not a fact and none of us have to live according to what someone else believes.


    P.S. It's about 38 states but it's complicated. Some ban any union between two people of the same sex. Some allow civil unions but not marriage. A few allow marriage. Then there are some where the issue is pending one way or the other and some were effected by Prop 8 in California being over turned.
    If you look at polls it's just as confusing as who believes what and how many support or oppose marriage or civil unions. There is only one thing I can tell from a poll. If someone uses a poll that shows a majority of Americans oppose gay marriage, that person opposes it as well. Ditto for those who use polls showing the majority supports it.
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  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/08/21 15:53:46
    Yes
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    I have always said this. People are not going to accept us if we do what the feminists do. We need to portray ourselves as a different part of the same culture rather than our own little community. Besides, I hate gay pride, it's vulgar and does not portay us in a good light at all.
  • Fievel Anonymo... 2012/08/21 16:14:24
    Fievel
    +1
    I agree with equal rights... but I think some just take it too far.

    Very Good Writing. ;-)

    Have-a good day.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 16:42:54
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    Gay marriage doesn't harm anybody and does not take any rights away from you. You still can believe it is a sin and worship in your church. Not everyone believes in the bible and biblical laws should not be forced on everyone. This isn't a theocracy. Marriage is not a Christian institution. Marriage existed before Christianity. In the U.S., Atheists, Agnostics,Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Wiccans, etc. are also allowed to get married. But, I do not see anyone complaining about that.

    Marriage existed way before Christianity was ever dreamed up. Before Judaism was ever dreamed up. Before Zoroastrianism. Marriage was created by Pagans. It's not a Christian religious institution. WE perfected marriage. WE created marriage. So the Christians should not get a say in what is and is not permissible for our religious rites.


    The concept of marriage predates Christianity and the other two forms of Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam which share a common origin and common values. Marriage is very ancient dating back beyond recorded history and was practiced by all people of many cultures, ethnicities and belief systems on all continents.

    The Origins of Marriage Traditions and how Marriage is a PAGAN Institution
    http://paganafterlifeandsalva...
  • Anonymo... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/08/21 17:17:04
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    Didn't say it did. I am not religious. No this isn't a theocracy. I am gay. If you have nothing intelligent to say, please leave.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 19:35:46 (edited)
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    uh Read what I said again and read the blog i am DEFENDING Gays
    Christianity did not invent marriage so they have no say in marriage ceremonies
    Pagans invented marriage and Same Sex marriage was always allowed and Recongized back then and Even today
  • Anonymo... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/08/21 19:50:21
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I read what you said, either you were arguing against nothing or you were just posting your opinion to some random person.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 19:51:33 (edited)
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    Sharing Information to help you in arguments with Religious Zealots who claim they invented marriage when they did not
  • Anonymo... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/08/21 19:53:55 (edited)
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Anyhow, I disagree. And they're not religious zealots, more Atheists are zealots than Christians...
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 19:57:00
  • Anonymo... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/08/21 20:06:37
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    So? I don't want to defend gay marriage. I don't like gay marriage. I think the government should get out if marriage and let marriage be a religious/societal joining. You can get married to whoever you like as long as where you get married allows you to. The government should have civil unions which should be a supplement to marriage. The government does not own marriage.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 19:37:51
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    Before you start insulting me again Try READing WHAT I SAID

    Top Ten Reasons why Gay marriage should be Allowed in All 50 States
    http://paganafterlifeandsalva...
  • Anonymo... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/08/21 19:53:28
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    You were posting your opinion randomly as though arguing against me. And I disagree with those top ten reasons as we just stopped being hated, and I would prefer not having people hurling abuse at me which is what Would happen if we forced gay marriage on everyone.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 19:58:24
  • rustex782 ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/08/22 05:12:21
    rustex782
    hes just ashamed of his homosexuality and is compensating with his intense love of Christianity and "traditional" marriage. It gets him brownie points with the hetero christian conservs so they wont bash him.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... rustex782 2012/08/22 14:32:04
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    maybe he thinks if the Christians start marching and throwing Gays in Camps like Hitler did to the Jews they wont Do that to him for he sides with them on the no gay marriage thing

    hes a Fool Stand proud of who you are
  • Ken 2012/08/21 15:32:22
    Yes
    Ken
    +1
    Way too far.
  • Metaldane 2012/08/21 15:21:23
    Hell No
    Metaldane
    +2
    They've been fighting for decades and are winning bit by bit but until thurs giving equality they're gonna keep at it honestly I think we as a country should enter the new century already and stop being so bigoted.
  • GoreGirl 2012/08/21 15:16:05
    Maybe So
    GoreGirl
    +1
    You can't get equal treatment if you're constantly trying to put yourself above everyone else because you feel you deserve it. No one deserves anything. I do believe that there needs to be more regulation of hate crimes, etc, BUT you don't need to be rubbing it in and asking for more than is necessary.
  • frozenKmadness 2012/08/21 15:09:41
    Maybe So
    frozenKmadness
    +1
    Maybe the way to get equality is not by screaming how special and yet normal you are...
  • Link 2012/08/21 15:05:22
    Hell No
    Link
    +2
    EQUAL TREATMENT FOR ALL PEOPLE...

    However, that being said, if the one's that go way out there and are seeking special treatment over and above what everyone else receives, then yes, way too far... As I stated above: EQUAL TREATMENT FOR ALL PEOPLE...

    LGBTQ should be treated equally as everyone else, but not treated special...
    TRUE LGBTQ activists are only seeking EQUAL, not special treatment...
  • Joanie 2012/08/21 14:42:57
    Hell No
    Joanie
    +15
    We haven't gone far enough.

    I am so tired of LGBT Uncle Toms telling me that I need to "respect" the opinions of people who go around saying that my love for my partner is sinful, that I shouldn't be allowed to be married, and that people like me should not have employment protections. Those opinions are bigoted, not respectable, and not to be respected. The fact that those opinions are often cloaked in "religious faith" does not make them respectable. The southern racists in the 1950s cloaked their bigotry in "religious faith".

    LGBT people often grow up internalizing the homophobia and transphobia that they grew up with. And I think internalized homophobia and transphobia is often the cause of LGBT people making excuses for our enemies, for the people who publicly disrespect us and wish to prevent us from obtaining equal rights.

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