As there is no proof that we came from god, it would make little difference if we only had a small amount of proof that we and apes shared a common ancestor.
However, we have tons of proof for our evolution.
Is there more proof that we(humans) came from Apes, or is there more that we came from God ?
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Thank you but no... 2012/05/05 12:40:44
I actually tried to play devils advocate this one and couldn't honestly find anything... please share your findings.
it is mythology. it is a collection of myths, esp. one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition. Thats just the proper way to describe the bible.
myths: 1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.
2. It has no mystical creatures.
3. Made by more than one person.
4. No imaginary person or thing.
5. what is a social institution?
2-mythical creatures of the bible: Abaddon, Angels, Behemoth, cherubim, Golem, Leviathan, Seaphim, Tetramorph, Ziz
3- made by more than one person... you are joking... so one man wrote the entire bible by himself? Constantine?
4- GOD is imaginary or at least is not and never has been a real person... (cant dispute that one)
5-An institution is any structure or mechanism of social order and cooperation governing the behavior of a set of individuals within a given community — may it be human or a specific animal one. Institutions are identified with a social purpose, transcending individuals and intentions by mediating the rules that govern cooperative living behavior.
2. WHat's Abaddon, Behemoth, cherubim, Golem, Seaphim, Tetramorph, Ziz. Angel's and demons could be mistooken as ghosts nowadays.And it says Leviathon in the bible, except refering to him from chinese culture.
3. Whaty?
4. He never has been a real person it never says he was in the bible. and he's not a thing.
5. speak english.
To be fair, no evolutionist these days dares claim that we "came from apes." They claim instead that humans are an offshoot from a proto-primate stock common to humans and apes.
BUT:
The geological evidence does NOT support the ages-old earth that evolution would need to have time to work its way out.
In fact, there is not even sufficient evidence for that common proto-primate to have come from the single cell that most evolutionists say that all life descends from. (Most, but not all. Some say that aliens left bacteria and blue-green algae on earth ages ago.)
And: there is proof that 4400 years ago, this earth suffered an event that was truly at the extinction level. That event is responsible for ALL the fossil layers. The Cambrian Explosion alone bespeaks the simultaneous *special creation* of many kinds of life. And those were the fossils that found themselves at the bottom of the heap. The rest sorted themselves out, as different kinds of rocks would in a sedimentary mixture.
There's too much to go into in a reply. But you can find your proof here:
http://www.creationscience.co...
You want to know where that water came from? God made the earth with a sub-crustal ocean. And you still get salt water much of the time when you prospect for oil. How do you think that happens? You don't suppose all those oil wells tap into an extension of the present ocean, do you? Not to mention: some of that subcrustal ocean is still left, and is venting into the present ocean as Black Smokers, especially along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
And about that radiocarbon: you think you know where that comes from. You don't. The radiocarbon came from cluster decay. Subject quartz deposits to a strong enough earthquake, you get electric potentials. Strong enough to turn metal into plasma. Strong enough, in fact, to turn lead into uranium and everything in-between. And in that environment, decay can proceed very rapidly. You also get cluster decay, which is anything between alpha-beta-gamma on the small side, and fission on the large side. Carbon-14 is a very popular cluster-decay product.
If you really think even conventional geologists try to use radiocarbon to date fossils, you're in for a real shock. They don't. They try to date the rocks, and then date the fossil...
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You want to know where that water came from? God made the earth with a sub-crustal ocean. And you still get salt water much of the time when you prospect for oil. How do you think that happens? You don't suppose all those oil wells tap into an extension of the present ocean, do you? Not to mention: some of that subcrustal ocean is still left, and is venting into the present ocean as Black Smokers, especially along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
And about that radiocarbon: you think you know where that comes from. You don't. The radiocarbon came from cluster decay. Subject quartz deposits to a strong enough earthquake, you get electric potentials. Strong enough to turn metal into plasma. Strong enough, in fact, to turn lead into uranium and everything in-between. And in that environment, decay can proceed very rapidly. You also get cluster decay, which is anything between alpha-beta-gamma on the small side, and fission on the large side. Carbon-14 is a very popular cluster-decay product.
If you really think even conventional geologists try to use radiocarbon to date fossils, you're in for a real shock. They don't. They try to date the rocks, and then date the fossils in relationship to them. But that sometimes gives you absurd results right there. In 1993, miners dug a fossil tree out of basalt. A team of investigators sent samples of the wood, and samples of the rock, to different labs. Results:
Apparent age of the tree: 37,000 years.
Apparent age of the surrounding rock: > 1M years.
Epic. Fail.
Finally, about whether all the species would starve: now you're forgetting where fossil fuels come from, and especially coal. Most of the lush jungle growth that prevailed before the Flood, turned into coal, and possibly into oil and gas, too, during it.
If "God did it" is a suitable answer for you, why do you care about pseudoscientific justifications at all?
The origin of carbon-14 is irrelevant. Samples that formed recently register as younger, and vice-versa.
Carbon-14 is used to date organic material, not rocks, as carbon is common in living organisms.
I fail to see how plants turning into oil solves the problem of ecological redundancy. It's not a matter of not having enough to eat, it's a matter of different species competing to "eat" similar things. Some plantlife, for example, is better than other plantlife at acquiring requisite nutrients (that's why weeds can kill gardens). If every plant ever known were alive at the same time, an incredibly vast number of them would be out-competed by their more competent relatives almost immediately. The same goes for all other classes of organism.
And besides, I don't think that the fact that we evolved from lesser species in any way contradicts our faith in God. For all we know, God INTENDED us to evolve from apes. The Bible says that God created man, but it doesn't exactly say how He did it. So why not through evolution that took millions of years?
now some evidence that we share a common ancestor with other modern apes:
-morphological similarities
-nearly 99% genetic similarity with chimps
-extensive fossil record showing divergent changes of all species, not just primates
-other apes have 24 sets of chromosomes, humans only 23. one of the human sets looks exactly how you would expect it to look if 2 of the 'ape' pairs fused
-studies of exogenous retroviruses show clear evidence of common ancestry
-and finally: