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Is it unethical for parents to lie to their children about fictional characters like Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?

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  • 16 Truth M... 2012/06/12 17:56:51
    16
    All of your reasons are illogical. You believe everything must have a creator, but you believe God doesn't? You believe God, who has never shown himself, has always been here. Saying he exist is just as an impossibility as everything you listed if not more.

    Let me ask you a question... do you believe matter is created or destroyed?
  • Truth M... 16 2012/06/12 23:32:30 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    What is illogical? Nobody has ever found a logical flaw in these arguments. They simply don't take the time to really understand them. I cannot sufficiently cover each evidence in a few sentences, but I can answer questions.

    I never said everything has a Creator. I said everything that BEGINS TO EXIST has a cause. In fact, I claim that one PRIME (uncaused) cause must necessarily self-exist (not self-create) as the prime cause of everything that does have a beginning. That would be God. It is impossible that nothing ever existed. Why? Because nothing would exist now. Nothing cannot cause something to exist.

    God has never shown himself?

    1) That's debatable. Jews and Christians believe God has revealed himself.

    2) God's design is evident everywhere.

    3) Why would you expect to see God? God is not a physical being. God is not located in space. God is the Mind that caused our physical Universe (time, space and matter/energy) to begin.

    "do you believe matter is created or destroyed?"

    Not in a closed system. Thermodynamic Law applies to energy behavior within closed systems. The Universe did not always exist, so the matter/energy did not always exist. The Energy came into existence when our closed system Universe began to exist at the singularity boundary. That's exactly what Big Bang confirms.
  • 16 Truth M... 2012/06/25 16:59:53
    16
    Wouldn't I be impossible for God to show himself? One, for in the bible it says Gods face is too great for man. Gods design is nowhere near evident. Simply because I see mountains or sky does not mean thoughs revolved around a creator I have failed to hear from or see. Why should I not expect to see God? Would it not be a little unfair for God to make us believe in simply faith alone? Would that not cause doubts? Wouldn't it be unfair for him to send us to hell for doubts when he fails to show himself?

    I think you might want to read up on the laws of thermodynamics: http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/f...

    Also, a closed system is a physical system that does not interact with other systems.

    P.S. We are not a universe, but a galaxy.
  • Truth M... 16 2012/06/25 23:26:41 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    "Wouldn't I be impossible for God to show himself?"

    Yes, but there is no reason to believe God should show Himself directly to us. God clearly wants us to seek Him - not force Himself upon us. Nobody would wan't to seek God more if He was just there located somewhere. God want's us to seek Him in Spirit.

    "One, for in the bible it says Gods face is too great for man. Gods design is nowhere near evident. Simply because I see mountains or sky does not mean thoughs revolved around a creator I have failed to hear from or see."

    I disagree, I also think you misunderstand. The fact that we apprehend beauty, design, precision order, rational order (a property of mind) inmposed on the Universe is powerful evidence a MIND is behind our design and intelligence. Plus we experience free-will, moral truth etc that cannot possibly be real if we are just chemical animals where chemicals cause everything. When you understand the vast complexity, specified order, balance and design of the Universe, it becomes obvious that this was no accident.

    "Why should I not expect to see God?"

    Because God is not physical or located in space.. Your eyes are designed to see the physical.


    "Would it not be a little unfair for God to make us believe in simply faith alone?"

    That depends how you define f...






















    "Wouldn't I be impossible for God to show himself?"

    Yes, but there is no reason to believe God should show Himself directly to us. God clearly wants us to seek Him - not force Himself upon us. Nobody would wan't to seek God more if He was just there located somewhere. God want's us to seek Him in Spirit.

    "One, for in the bible it says Gods face is too great for man. Gods design is nowhere near evident. Simply because I see mountains or sky does not mean thoughs revolved around a creator I have failed to hear from or see."

    I disagree, I also think you misunderstand. The fact that we apprehend beauty, design, precision order, rational order (a property of mind) inmposed on the Universe is powerful evidence a MIND is behind our design and intelligence. Plus we experience free-will, moral truth etc that cannot possibly be real if we are just chemical animals where chemicals cause everything. When you understand the vast complexity, specified order, balance and design of the Universe, it becomes obvious that this was no accident.

    "Why should I not expect to see God?"

    Because God is not physical or located in space.. Your eyes are designed to see the physical.


    "Would it not be a little unfair for God to make us believe in simply faith alone?"

    That depends how you define faith. Faith is not mindless. We have faith in many things based on reason and evidence. You have faith that your home will not collapse or burn while you sleep.

    "Would that not cause doubts?" Perhaps. but if you seek Him and pay attention to the massive evidence, the doubts diminish. I have no serious doubts. We know people survive death. We have millions of accounts from all over the world where people have seem glimpses of life after the body dies. Accounts of the paranormal are also quite common. There is another realm behind this physical realm we experience.

    "Wouldn't it be unfair for him to send us to hell for doubts when he fails to show himself?"

    (a) God doesn't send people to hell for doubts.
    (b) There are many views on what Hell actually is
    (c) God allows us to separate ourselves from Him


    "I think you might want to read up on the laws of thermodynamics"

    Trust me, I understand T-Law perfectly well. I guarantee you my understanding is correct.

    "Also, a closed system is a physical system that does not interact with other systems"

    Yes, I know. My dad is a retired Nuclear Physicist. He taught me physics throughout my life. I also had some in college.

    "We are not a universe, but a galaxy."

    No, We exist in a galaxy contained within the Universe. The Universe is the closed system. T-Law applies to the Universe. The Universe (closed system) also began, T-Laws do not apply to that which caused the Universe to exist.

    The Atheists need to do their homework. They are clearly wrong.
    (more)
  • 16 Truth M... 2012/06/26 07:45:29 (edited)
  • Lord Emperor Kami Guro Bage... 2012/06/09 00:12:45
    Yes
    Lord Emperor Kami Guro Bagels Supreme Ruler of the Earth
    It insulted my intelligence as a child when I would go to the store with my parents adults would be all like Did you send Santa your wish list?
    That being said I believe parents shouldn't raise children to their own religious belief let the kid decide when he gets older, raise them by the moral standards of what ever sect you belong to by all means but allow the kids to make their own choices early on
    I know I know kids don't know what they want, and they never will if we tell them what they want somethings we should tell kids to believe in and some we should not this belongs to the latter
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/06/09 00:08:01
    No
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +1
    dreams, hope, imagination...my best memories as a child.
  • Willski 2012/06/08 23:59:12
    No
    Willski
    +1
    i don't see anything wrong with it.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/08 23:54:11
    No
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    We have plenty of time in life to face reality of life - Imagination and magic are for the young
  • GeminiWolf 2012/06/08 23:53:02
    No
    GeminiWolf
    +3


    Kids are surrounded by fictional characters. They are as real as they make them. Imagination is key.
  • amazinggrace 2012/06/08 23:45:14
    No
    amazinggrace
    +3
    A bit of fantasy is a good thing.
  • Josh Robinson 2012/06/08 23:44:01
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/06/08 23:40:33
    No
    Kiosk Kid
    Young children need dreams. They have little control over their lives and these fantasies give them something to look forward too.

    Unfortunately, not all parents can't give them something to look forward too.

    Young children need dreams. They have little control over their lives and these fantasies give them something to look forward too.

    Unfortunately, not all parents can give them something to look forward too. Some parents rely on big government for their dreams rather then themselves. Therefore, their children suffer the same fate as they do.
  • Kibbles 2012/06/08 23:38:52
    No
    Kibbles
    +2
    I want my kids believe in magic for little while at least, given how kids care more about technology nowadays rather than imagination is a tad worrisome, I want my kids to grow up believing in some mystery, I want the to be creative and imagine.
  • Andy Fletcher 2012/06/08 23:38:34
    No
    Andy Fletcher
    +1
    What the hell are you talking about "fictional".

    Don't get me wrong, I think parenting is a serious thing. Just not THAT serious.
  • jessiesgirl4463 2012/06/08 23:37:30
    No
    jessiesgirl4463
    +2
    I didnt actually teach my daughter these things other people did. She did not teach her eldest daughter about these characters either (at least not that they were real), she went a step further though she did not allow others to teach her about them either. My mother also told me very early in life these characters were not real
  • Lycaste skinneri 2012/06/08 23:31:05
    No
    Lycaste skinneri
    +2
    No.
    Sooner or later kids realize that those characters don't exist.
  • Brother Bo 2012/06/08 23:28:32
    Yes
    Brother Bo
    +2
    My parents never told me those lies, and I never wanted my child to think that some fat stranger had to break into our house at night to give them gifts. If my child gets a gift, I want them to know that it came from my love and my hard work, and that NOTHING in life is free.
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/06/08 22:41:56
    No
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    I don't like to lie, and I will be glad when my daughter realizes for herself that these fictional characters and not real. At 7, I think she probably has doubts but chooses not to admit it for fear she won't get gifts anymore. So not exactly unethical, but at the same time it is uncomfortable for me to deliberately lie.
  • Jan Haskell 2012/06/08 21:30:38
    No
    Jan Haskell
    +5
    Daddy s home
    Santa's surprise gift ... daddy's home!
  • Sister Jean 2012/06/08 21:15:20
    No
    Sister Jean
    +12
    no youth should be Magical
  • Jackie ... Sister ... 2012/06/08 23:53:24
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +4
    Exactly
  • Michael... Sister ... 2012/06/09 00:08:55
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +3
    1000% agreed :)
  • Dagon 2012/06/08 21:08:50
  • Stryder Dagon 2012/06/09 01:09:58
    Stryder
    +2
    That and it's just plain fun for them. I remember how excited I was when I was little at the thought of Santa coming that night. Or of the Easter Bunny bringing Easter eggs. Holidays were fun back then.
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/06/08 20:54:38
    No
    **StarzAbove**
    +4
    No, it's a fun and happy part of childhood. My kids always believed in these things and they grew up healthy, wealthy and wise. They certainly weren't traumatized by their belief.
  • Jimbo 2012/06/08 20:21:22 (edited)
    No
    Jimbo
    +5
    When I found out Santa was not real I was mad. I have always told my kids that he is not real but it's fun to pretend. My son thinks I'm lying to him.

    I know a lot of people let their kids believe and I don't see anything wrong with it.
  • john 2012/06/08 19:49:36
    No
    john
    +4
    no not really these are things that we grow up believing in and if we were told very early that these characters were fictional then our childhood would lose more than we gain
  • MandaLynne 2012/06/08 19:49:06
    No
    MandaLynne
    +4
    The myths of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Faerie have been around for a long time and I don't know anyone who was adversely affected by them.
  • Yes
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +3
    unethical I am unsure. I personally have always told my daughter the truth that they are pretend.
  • john Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/06/08 19:50:52
    john
    at what age
  • Pixie·Ÿ... john 2012/06/08 19:57:01
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +2
    I never let her think they were real.

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