Is it rape if you are married but the wife still says NO??
Dark Angel
2012/05/09 22:20:10
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Ty ~ PHAET 2012/05/09 22:47:00Yes! Please Explain
+27She said no, did she not? If someone is forced to have sex against their will, it's rape. And since they're married, there's the additional charge of domestic violence.
Better that they each find someone else.
Men have ruled the world for about 10,000 years, now, and I think they've done a poor job of it. Let women rule the world for the next 10,000 years.
At the end of that time, we can vote on who did the better job.
Now tell me how badly we have done. Besides the women rulers have proven to be no more restrained than their male counterparts.
The Icenian Queen Boadicea destroyed three cities in Roman-controlled Britain burning them to the ground and killing every Roman man, woman, and child. Nigerian Queen Amina set up slave trade routes from Africa in the late 1500's used until the end of slavery. Queen Elizabeth I the first was a disaster as a diplomat forcing many wars and executed Mary, Queen of Scots after 19 yrs of imprisonment on trumped of charges of leading a rebellion (from a prison tower?).
Granted there were good women Rulers. However, the sample which history has provided indicates they would perform no better than men when faced with the challenges of leadership.
As for warfare, for all the complaints about men killing each other we have actually lost very few to actual combat. This is especially true since the modernization of warfare and precision weapons. Look at OIF/OEF an extremely difficult fighting environment (urban warfare) which has lasted nearly 10 years. U.S. casualties are only 5,030 KIA and 47,782 WIA. Compare that to Vietnam where we suffered 58,000 KIA and 350,000 WIA.
You want to find the real killers. Look at plagues, famine, natural disasters, and dictatorships who starve their own people.
The Nigerians, male and female, were killing and selling each other long before Europeans appeared on the scene. Still are, for that matter. They are ruled by men.
Elizabeth I led England into a Golden Age and the beginnings of real empire. The Mary, Queen of Scots, incident wasn't "trumped up". Modern historians consider it very real and it was a response to the fact that the plan was to kill Elizabeth and put Mary on the throne. After all, she supported Mary in regal comfort for 19 years. Had she been bloodthirsty, she'd have killed her much earlier. Is she not allowed to protect her own life, just because she was a woman? That plan was fomented by Roman Catholics intent on "reconverting" England, by fire and sword, if necessary. The RC church was run by men. Also, Elizabeth's dad wasn't exactly known as Lord Sweetness and Light, was he?
The women with real power were often better rulers than men. Other female rulers were constrained by their male advisors.
The fact is that women, as a group, don't want their children slaughtered. Given the opportunity, the real opportunity, to stop that, they will. Men have do...
The Nigerians, male and female, were killing and selling each other long before Europeans appeared on the scene. Still are, for that matter. They are ruled by men.
Elizabeth I led England into a Golden Age and the beginnings of real empire. The Mary, Queen of Scots, incident wasn't "trumped up". Modern historians consider it very real and it was a response to the fact that the plan was to kill Elizabeth and put Mary on the throne. After all, she supported Mary in regal comfort for 19 years. Had she been bloodthirsty, she'd have killed her much earlier. Is she not allowed to protect her own life, just because she was a woman? That plan was fomented by Roman Catholics intent on "reconverting" England, by fire and sword, if necessary. The RC church was run by men. Also, Elizabeth's dad wasn't exactly known as Lord Sweetness and Light, was he?
The women with real power were often better rulers than men. Other female rulers were constrained by their male advisors.
The fact is that women, as a group, don't want their children slaughtered. Given the opportunity, the real opportunity, to stop that, they will. Men have done a piss-poor job of ruling the world and I see no signs that this will change anytime soon.
Men invented "shock and awe" and babies are being raped in Iraq and Afghanistan. So, please, don't tell me what a wonderful job guys have done. At least, not until you've really studied history.
I have evaluated Rulers throughout the ages and most had noble values, yet the vast majority fall short.
What your emotional appeal is without basis in almost every cultural. You act as if men wished to sacrifice their children to battle, while most city-states fought defensive actions. There were two options in life during early history; fight and have some semblance of freedom or suffer in slavery.
Boadicea almost destroyed Rome, but she did destroy her own people. The Romans returned to her home and enslaved every member of the Icenia tribe and those who assisted them.
As for Mary, Queen of Scots, if you call being locked in a cell "regal comfort" you are more delusional than Elizabeth I that there was a plot to overthrow her. Queen Mary fled Scotland because she refused to convert to Protestantism. When she was overthrown and fled to England seeking help from Queen Elizabeth I she was instead imprisoned. Later a number of Roman Catholic uprisings were blamed on Queen Mary leading her Queen Elizabeth's Ministers to demand the execution of Queen Mary.
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Yes we invented shock & awe which i...
I have evaluated Rulers throughout the ages and most had noble values, yet the vast majority fall short.
What your emotional appeal is without basis in almost every cultural. You act as if men wished to sacrifice their children to battle, while most city-states fought defensive actions. There were two options in life during early history; fight and have some semblance of freedom or suffer in slavery.
Boadicea almost destroyed Rome, but she did destroy her own people. The Romans returned to her home and enslaved every member of the Icenia tribe and those who assisted them.
As for Mary, Queen of Scots, if you call being locked in a cell "regal comfort" you are more delusional than Elizabeth I that there was a plot to overthrow her. Queen Mary fled Scotland because she refused to convert to Protestantism. When she was overthrown and fled to England seeking help from Queen Elizabeth I she was instead imprisoned. Later a number of Roman Catholic uprisings were blamed on Queen Mary leading her Queen Elizabeth's Ministers to demand the execution of Queen Mary.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...
Yes we invented shock & awe which is a tactic that has saved more lives than any other in history. It is not a blitzkrieg. Since you have no clue as to what it really entails and just posted as if it were a horror I guess actually explaining it to you would be a waste of time.
Are you accusing the U.S. of raping babies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is so, I can tell you are just another extremist who speaks without thinking. If we discharge a Marine for tossing a puppy of a cliff WTH do you think we would do to a rapist (a charge which is actually in the UCMJ).
The rest is bat guano. I'll see your Master's with my Master's and raise you two Bachelors in two different disciplines.
I know the Army. I was born at Ft. Riley. And I was engaged to a man killed in 'nam. So don't think that I'm a bit awed, although I'm often shocked.
It's the military of the late 20th century that has eroded my very strong patriotism. I go by actions...not rhetoric.
And, I don't want to hijack this thread with military/anti-military discussions so I'm done.
Endit.
I am not questioning Boadicea's response merely her tactics. She went way over the line and that had consequences. Also after winning skirmishes she became over-confident and met the Romans in battle on an open field giving them tactical advantage.
Also I wouldn't play the Paper game with you because I am primarily an Engineer; however, we must learn from our past or we are doomed to repeat it so I started a minor and decided to take it all the way.
I served 22 yrs until I was forced to retired or take a medical discharge. I then spent ten years building weapon systems for the Navy/Marine Corps team.
As you have already indicated you are not a Warrior nor do you care to debate the issue.
I am sorry for your loss, yet the tragedy in SW Asia was not due to the Military. A war that had been hard fought and won in the jungles of Vietnam was lost in the halls of Congress over petty politics when foreign aid for South Vietnam was cut after we pulled out in 1973.
I was amused, at first, but I won't hijack this thread so he can go all Audie Murphy or Chesty Puller on the OP, so I quit the muddy, germ-ridden trenches for more enjoyable topics.
Men and women would do an equal job wtf are you even arguing about it for?
Her husband apparently figured well this is my wife i have full rights to have sex with you when ever i please...Well apparently this women is quite complicated, as well as this question :) I wouldn't know how to answer, but any sex that is unwanted and forced is considered rape.
Even in American, there are no clear cut laws that regulate marital sex because sometimes the wife knew what is expected of her before marriage. Only under extreme circumstances is having sex with an unwilling spouse considered rape...It's as complicated as when a man files for domestic abuse.