Is global warming man-made?

It is a normal cycle that the earth goes through. England used to be warm enough to have vineyards for wine grapes. When I was in schoole we were having a cooling trend and they thought we were going to have another ice age.

The mid-20th Century cooling trend was our fault too - it's just that our warming influence (greenhouse gases) has overtaken our cooling influence (particulate air pollution) so we're now causing warming instead of cooling.

It has been a proven fact that all this man made global warming propaganda is false based on false information from that stupid institute in England and that more and more scientists are saying it is a but load of crap.

I wish you were right, but of course you're just parroting the global warming denial scam constructed by fossil fuel industry billionaires to protect their profits. There is no truth to their propaganda, but poorly educated people are taken in by it and never make the effort to learn the truth for themselves.

In point of fact it will make little difference because the world will not really make serious efforts to respond to this growing disaster until it is much too late to make any difference. You will see the effects of our climate chaos in terms of terrible storms, drought, flooding, sea level rise, crop failures, famine, resource wars and mass migration.

By 2040 we will be living in a world which is warmer than humans have ever seen in the 6 million years we have existed. By 2100 we will be back to the kind of hothouse world that the dinosaurs lived in 65 million years ago and our descendants (if any) will curse us for destroying the habitable climate that supported modern human civilisation for the last 10,000 years.

Where were you when those email were leaked 2 years ago? Go to the pirate planet web site there is a video there that talks about how all this global warming crap got started as a political way to line someones pocket with money.

Sorry but you fell for a scam. The fossil fuel industry make quite literally trillions of dollars in profits and climate scientists just earn a normal salary. You figure out who has the bigger incentive to lie to you.

You have your opinion and I have mine. My opinion right now is that you fell for the scam.

When I was growing up we had conservation where business and nature could come together. Now you have the stupid EPA trying to destroy business because they think we need to make the air, water and dirt cleaner than GOD did.

Take a read through this article and then tell me who fell for the scam

http://visiontoamerica.org/10...

Just the usual litany of myths, lies, diversionary tactics, character assassination and sundry other forms of dishonesty that the AGW denial scammers are forced to resort to in the absence of any actual valid argument or evidence for their position.

Human activity is now the dominant influence on global climate:



You'll notice that the article you cited doesn't actually dispute this fact. It doesn't provide any argument or evidence to counter it, because there isn't any. They just call it 'preposterous'. Well, that's about all they can do, because they have nothing else to fall back on.

You need to apply some critical thinking skills yourself.

And I think your chart is based on the supposed "facts" from that group of scientists that believe in "man made" global warming just so they could line their pockets with grant money.

Yes that's a typical tactic of someone who doesn't want to accept what the evidence shows - just pretend that the evidence is fraudulent and voila! You can safely stick your head in the sand and ignore it.

Problem is, reality doesn't care what you think. It is what it is, even if you refuse to believe it. There is no realistic doubt that we are causing the current extremely rapid global warming. Do you really think that it's just an amazing coincidence that the world has gone from a long slow natural cooling trend, to rapid warming, at *exactly* the time that we have pumped hundreds of billions of tons of global warming gases into the atmosphere? Seriously?







Do you honestly think there is no causal relationship here? It's time to apply some critical thinking skills and face reality!

I don't accept the evidence because it is based on false assupmtions and falsified data. Instead of using science to lead them to a conclusion they are starting with the conclusion and trying to make science fit the scenario.

You're pretending it's 'falsified' so that you can feel OK about ignoring it. I understand that.

I am not pretending it has been proved to be falsified and the guys in England even admitted it after their emails were leaked.

Of course, that's just what the fossil fuel industry's professional AGW denial scammers told you, and you'd rather believe that than the truth. If you accepted the truth then you would have to acknowledge that we need to deal with the problem, and you don't want to do that. You just want to forget about it and hope it will go away - I understand that completely. Denial is so much easier isn't it?

The road to hell is wide and paved with good intentions. It is harder to do the right thing than what feels good. These global warming fanatics are doing what ever they can to stop business and take away private property rights. Lets go back to conservation where business and nature can work together. Shutting off the water to the San Juaquin(spl) Valley in the CA central valley and turning it into a dust bowl and killing the livelyhood of farmers is not the proper way to go about saving a 2" fish that is not even native to our waterways.

I'm not familiar with the particular local problem you're talking about (I live in England) but in any case, here's the point: Global warming is real and we are causing it. That is a fact that you cannot change just by preferring not to believe it. What you *can* do is influence what we *do* about it. If you think it's being used as an excuse to attack business and property rights then by all means do what you feel is right to address that, but denying that the problem exists in the first place is simply irresponsible.

You have the right to believe your info and I have the right to believe in my info. Neither of us will live long enough to see who is right and who is wrong. Right now our current global warming is caused by the sun and it's sun spot activity. We will never see eye to eye on this subject so I think it is best if we stop now. To use an analogy we are looking at the same magazine but you are looking at the front cover and I am looking t the back cover that is why we see two different things.

You have to look at honest sources, otherwise you're just deceiving yourself. For example: Solar activity has been declining for years and the world has been heating up rapidly - here's a paper on it:

The conclusions of our previous paper, that solar forcing has declined over the past 20 years while surface air temperatures have continued to rise, are shown to apply for the full range of potential time constants for the climate response to the variations in the solar forcings."
Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature. II.

Mike Lockwood and Claus Fröhlich.

So you're reading propaganda that says global warming is caused by the sun when in reality that's not possible because the sun has had a *cooling* influence for at least the last two decades.

The sun has an 11 year sun spot cycle. 11 years low and 11 years high. We are in a high cycle now because the sun spots interfer with ham radio transmisions. Also, I heard a while back, there have been published reports that man made polution only accounts for less than 2% of green house gasses. Between the sun and earths natural cycles I still don't believe in global warming. Try telling my brother-in-law in Alaske there is global warming when the temperature is 50 below zero.

I just saw 2 articles about global cooling 1) Japanese news item dated May 2, 2012 from "The Asahi Shimbun" stating because the sun is entering a period of lower activity the earth will experience lower temperatures. 2) Item dated May 8, 2012 - we are entering a mini ice age, iceagenow.info.

You're going to have to figure out for yourself who is telling you the truth. Look at how small the sun's influence is compared to our greenhouse gases and atmospheric aerosols:



You can see it undulating along on its 11-year cycle but it is dwarfed by human influences on the climate, so how is it that your articles and reports are focussing on the sun and disregarding the anthropogenic effects? Could it be that they don't want you to know about that? Could it be that they are giving you selective and therefore misleading information?

In truth the world is heating up faster than ever -



So no 'mini ice age' is on the cards as things stand right now. By far the largest warming influence on the climate is our greenhouse gases, and they are rising faster than ever. Draw your own conclusions.

I think we have beat this dead horse long enough. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change your mind which is fine. We have had an exchange of ideas and information which is what this forum is for. I will continue to keep abreast of articles and some day when we are both dead one of us will be right and the other of us will wrong.

Thanks, I've enjoyed our discussion. Time will tell who is right, but I think unless you're 97 it might be before we're dead rather than after :-)

So, document this alleged cycle, and determine its cause. In the meantime Anthropogenic greenhouse gas forced global warming is a measured fact.

You did not read my statement earlier about England having been warmer in the past to the point where they had vineyards. That is documented proof long before cars and modern manufacturing.

England is not the globe, not even a good statistical sample of the Earth's mean surface temperature.

But I'm sure we contribute to it, in an ever so insignificant way, just as everything else on the planet and in the universe does.

If you believe that Global Climate Change is being caused by human activity go do your part to save the planet. I'm going to drive to work, look up at empty buses and commuter trains and laugh. Just don't jerk into the street with your bicycle because I will run your ass over.

through pollution we've increased bad weather conditions, and if we don't stop, we'll have wars over natural resources within the next 2 generations.

Wow, really? Huh! Funny how scientist can predict weather and global response 2 generations in the future but can't seem to get tomorrows weather right! Are you ready to give over to the UN or any other global government complete control of all factors they say impacts GW? Please tell me where and how govts have earned that kind of trust from you???

I would rather die in natural disasters caused by GW than to live without my God given individual freedoms.

more sheep ;)

This is not about your civil liberties. OFF TOPIC!

Everything is about civil liberties Mel. Just like everything is about politics. If you don't believe that you have your head in the sand.

OFF TOPIC. The forum is about climate change

Ok, what is your advise as to how to handle "climate change" (or global climate disruption or global cooling or global warming...whatever is most effective at fear mongering)? What do you think should be done RIGHT NOW to stop climate change?

"and if we don't stop, we'll have wars over natural resources within the next 2 generations". you think Iraq and Afghanistan were just about "terrorism" LOL!

I think it MAY enhance natural changes

My opinion is that the warming and cooling of the earth is a natural occurrence that has happened to some degree in the past but that is now being accelerated by the pollution created by humans and fossil fuel. We are making the earth warm faster than we can adjust and it will eventually spell disaster for us.

Yes and No. Global warming is a normal process in nature, but humans have increased it as it has never been in a few years. So it's still our fault.