If the evil idolatry in the sky doomed the human race for an apple... what would He do for a Klondike Bar??

Im Pagan and I do not believe in Hell its just a man made boogyman story

why would a loving Creator punish imperfect beings for acting imperfectly
to make them suffer for all time for minor offenses is a trait most unbecomming an omipotent being

I also do not believe in Heaven But I do believe in an Afterlife of sorts its rather long if you wish to hear about it

No, mainly because on most points we agree. I called myself a pagan for a long time. But I found the Goddess as disappointing as God. I think of the yin-yang symbol and see them united as parts of the same cruelty that plagues my life. I can screw it up without any help. So what do i need a higher power for? Now, can i have my Klondike bar? The only area I disagree with is that there is no hell, and that is because my pitiful existence is pure hell. We don't have to die to get there. We just have to be born in the wrong circumstances. Then I get to hear all the nonsense about how evil I must have been in a past life, or its all an illusion. The one thing that I cannot successfully communicate is my truth;. Not to push it on anyone because that really pisses me off, just give me back my right to free speech. Please? (not directed at you Daw).

i do not have all the answers all i know is if we wish to make our world better then we must be the change we wish to see in the world

if you need someone to talk to maybe i can help or maybe i cant either way im still your friend and here to help if i can

First. thank you for the Klondike bar and more important, the offer of friendship. You have my 100% agreement as to the need to be what we want our world to be. It is actually my primary spiritual practice (it fits in with the golden rule). But life lately has royally sucked. Thanks for the offer of support. I can communicate with a pagan but nothing about Christianity makes sense to me.

Are you familiar with the Wise Witches Society (God will get me for that)? Men are equally welcome and the focus is Wicca, but anyone with an interest is welcome. I joined because they cover a lot of ground including healing (herbal and spiritual). They also have a lot of historical info, something for anyone. Magic spells is far from the focus--it is a sane, rational site, no hocus pocus. Unless one believes that herbal healing and history are hocus pocus. And thank you for the offer of friendship. :-)

we all need Friends and kindred spirits to talk to someone when we need help to give Strength when we are feeling down
to pick us up and help put us back on the right path

i do not believe in hocus pocus magic stuff
i believe in energy
Read my Blogs they may help you

http://paganafterlifeandsalva...

I was saying that that site doesn't cater to hocus pocus. Actually, if I were to describe it in one word, I would say educational. I learn about herbal healing--because of my disability, I was looking for answers. The thing I find astounding about this site is that I get a peaceful feeling when I go there.. In short, I went looking for answers, and I know that when used properly, herbs heal. I also believe in energy, and before I got so ill, I was a healer. But unless I am missing something,it seems to take the chemistry between 2 people,meaning I can't help myself--which doesn't stop me from trying. Yikes. I would never preach hocus pocus. Herbs are legitimate medicine--most prescription drugs have their roots in herbs and plants.. Even food can be healing. this is why I avoid discussions of energy here. The other fascinating thing I get from that site is history. I join groups that focus on my issues. You know how people feel about paganism. Please don't do the same with me. I am not preaching hocus pocus. And this is precisely why I try to avoid the subject altogether here. You misunderstood. I am alone in every way, and so,apparently it will stay.

Warm is a huge understatement! And since DAW blocked me, I will tell you. The earth was a world free of sin until Satan came and tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit which God told them not to. It was Eve's choice to eat the fruit. That is why God punished them for they were not clean anymore in his eyes, so he kicked them out of the Garden of Eden. To state that again, Sin was not of this world until Adam and Eve did what God told them not to do. Therefore no one since is clean in his eyes unless you accept Jesus as your saviour. But the first people didnt have that privilege of coming to Christ and having all of their sins forgiven. They had to do annual offerings to the Lord. If they died the next year before doing their offerings they would go to Hell.

! My beliefs change consistentently and that is how i heed it. I tend to believe in an afterlife, but I am also just as afraid of it as I am of life. My comments, aka my best guesses are based on my experiences in this world. Tyler, no comment. One question. In the book of Genesis, Cain cried out that all those other people would come after him for what he had done. Since the entire population consisted of Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel--who are all these people?

OK. Daw blocked you, so you feel I need to know about your savior. We've met. He has not helped me in any way I can see. But his servants really know how to make life a living hell for others, in the name of salvation. How many beatings and rapes will it take before you get discouraged? How much abuse can you endure? How many times do you need your bones broken. Why do I want to worhip one who thinks it is way cool to watch a woman be raped for 8 straight hours, abused daily for over ten years---and so much more. We all have our limits, and I have reached mine. I bought the nonsense about how God counted every hair on my head, and was my source of security and protection. Faith was probably the most stupid thing i ever did. I can inflict my own pain--I need no help. But there is that small hope that if I turn my back on your savior, I can avoid any more beatings, rapes, verbal abuse, robbery (12 in 6 months, but the big one was 2 years ago). What What What is the point of loving someone who only wants to inflict pain. And for your own sake, I suggest we end this dialog here and now because I have just begun.

I'll respect your wish and I will pray for you

Your lord and savior has it in for me big time. I have morals, I live by a spiritual code of ethics. But apparently he wants more, or gets off on violence. Someone tell me how to stop the punishment.. I did my time with Jesus. It didnt work out. As for the first post, (pic), it is the only logical thing to do. We are not nearly as good in any way as a Klondike bar.

Jesus isnt my Lord and Savior

The Tragedy of Life is not Death, But What we let Die inside us while we Live.
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There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
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Blessed are they who see beautiful things in humble placeswhere other people see nothing
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A Prayer for the Digital Age:"May our love of information and of ease never exceed our love for one another.
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Knowing more about you, forgive my earlier remarks. At the same time, for now, I don't have time to read the links, but the titles say enough. More irony. i can't tell you how many people have gone ballistic because I wanted to see some natural beauty. Apparently that is now old-school. And the only way I feel fortunate--is that I can still appreciate the simple things.

Metaphors to attempt to explain that which in not understood.

"Blasphemy" is a matter of perspective and a word used by "priests" and zealots in an attempt to hold onto what was never there to begin with.

Does God hate women

We know God hates Gays why not Women too
Obviously Mrs God is not Giving Mr God hanky panky Time

http://whatthe.blogetery.com/...

original sin action appears frivolous, but original sin motive was grave. It was an act of defiance to become like God and separate from him. God reacted in kind.

well it seems DAW has blocked me. Apparently I burst his bubble or its a sodahead glitch. this would be my first ban if it is.

take care DAW. Hope you feel better tomorrow.

kicking Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden for eatting an Apple?

WHY PUT THE FREAKING TREE IN THE GARDEN IF YOU DIDNT WANT THEM TO EAT IT

if parents don't want their kids getting the living room dirty, why have a living room? but more importantly, why does this matter to you now?

Debate Site we are discussing a Topic

Fyi the Garden of Eden Story is just that A STORY which is based on Earlier Stories from other Religions of the time

Greeks, Egyptians Babylonians Sumerians phoeiclans all had stories of a Garden a Tree of knowledge a Wedding Creation of mankind Adan and Evo 2 of 9 speices of mankind created by the Gods

the hebrews and later christianized story is just a Plagurized Rip off

Bible is full of prophecies Daw especially of Jesus in the Old testament. those earlier "stories" may have been visions of the real thing to come by God.

I just go by what God tells me to believe DAW, it just has a better payoff in the end. I don't see a benefit not to. Atheists tend to be less successful in life here on earth and have nothing to look forward to afterwards. Christians not only have an edge here on earth, but rest easy knowing life will always be good.

As previously stated, the power of God has shown on many occasions to ripple through spacetime. Don't you find it fascinating that his story can be envisioned both in the past and future? Even King David sung about the crucification of Jesus over 500 years before crucification was invented in scriptures that are not regulated or "invented" by Christians. Jesus even quoted from it while dying. What evidence is there that all those references you've sited isn't just the same phenomenon?

the story a virgin birth story is from other Religions
The Cross was used before Christianity
the Cross is the symbol of a Sun God


It was not Prophey of a Virgin birth these Stories Already Existed in other Religions all they did was copy other religions ideas and merge them together with Hebrew traditions change a few names and VOILIA

Hello? Is this thing on? testing....1...2...3

obviously you are not paying attention Let me say it in more Simple Terms
The Bible is a LIE