I don't get it. Why create a "controversial" question if you've already blocked any opposing voices?
herb
2009/12/05 08:35:28
Are people's egos really that tender and fragile? Wouldn't their time be better spent with a handful of tissues, AstroGlide, and a mirror? Or do they need the sycophantic ululations of their co-conspirators to reach that special moment?
This goes doubly for ones featured as "Community" items.
This goes doubly for ones featured as "Community" items.
When a person asks a question here it belongs to them and they are entitled as such to direct the dialog as they will. In addition they have some responsibility to moderate it for the sake of those interested enough to engage in it.
Again, I wouldn't have a problem with that, either, except that those polls are often made featured content.
I suppose my frustration lays mainly with the popularity of acid polls like "Why do liberals hate America?" when liberals aren't allowed to say anything.
The nation-wide polls are pretty much all agree and have been static for some time now with the reality that only some 20% of this country identifies themselves as Liberal. That's quite a feat for such a minority to be directing the course of our government without being allowed to say anything..
Secondly, I'm not talking about a grand scale here. I am talking very directly about SodaHead and it's proclivity to advertise the "controversial" question that the accused are rarely allowed to answer.
Thirdly, what is your source on this poll data? I'm interested in looking further into it.
Here I'll spot you the first poll:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/12...
As a proclaimed progressive liberal, I can easily say what appears to you as a bullet train away from your ideals on the right appears to be a lumbering sloth toward the ideals of the left.
Whether or not the featured poll is liberal or conservative, if the pollster has the opposing side blocked, it's harmful to the site. I'm not saying that these polls shouldn't be allowed, I'm just saying that they shouldn't be featured on the main page, because they DON'T allow for meaningful debate.
Is that controlling? It seems like common sense to me...
It's not harmful to the site unless you want to make it that way in your own mind.
If someone that has a featured poll also has others blocked they have the right to have their poll featured as well as anyone else. Just because they take a stand against the BS and the people that cause it should not mean they should be punished. I wouldn't know though. It's not often that I have a featured poll. But then again, I'm not on here for a popularity contest so I don't know how you go about getting one 'featured' anyway. lol
And YES, .... Censoring is control. That's just common sense.
Sorry, your stance seems ass-backwards to me.
That's what I love about this site... we can all agree to disagree,
...even though some aren't adult enough not to get their panties in a wad.
I have no problem being blocked from someone else's polls or blogs. It may be disappointing if the question is interesting ...but that is as far as it goes.
I shrug my shoulders and move on....
I don't sit around and whine about it, that's for sure!
BUT ...for a site to take a poll or blog and NOT let it be put up as a 'featured poll or blog' ...JUST because the person that made it has several or many people blocked is different in my opinion.
If the poll or blog is worthy and stands on it's own merit because it is worthy of being featured... then it should be featured.
Is it taking any skin off your nose if it is....?
To claim that a poll or blog is worthy or meritorious because it is popular and lacks an overwhelming dissent when the author has so many oppositional folk blocked is bogus. If no-one is allowed to speak out on the fallacies of the article, then how can it be fairly judged for merit?
Or put otherwise: was Chairman Mao the greatest leader of all time because his people were required to support him and all opposition was prevented from speaking?
Who are you to say they are 'bad' or not?
>>> They are long diatribes of digital feces designed to inflame the group of people the author has blocked while stroking the egos of those allowed to post.<<<
AND? .... I see that from the left all the time. Ripping Conservatives apart like there's no tomorrow... getting SodaHeads accounts De-Activated for stupid reasons.
>>> To claim that a poll or blog is worthy or meritorious because it is popular and lacks an overwhelming dissent when the author has so many oppositional folk blocked is bogus. If no-one is allowed to speak out on the fallacies of the article, then how can it be fairly judged for merit? <<<
NO, NO, NO.... That's not the way the game is played and you know it just like I do. Let a Conservative post a poll or blog that is in the least bit controversial... or not even.... and it gets SWARMED and ABUSED by every roach on this site.
You can all spin it anyway ya want... but it is what it is!
More liberal BS and Whining because you're not getting you way and you can't go in and taunt and abuse the hell out of people.
It has nothing to do with free speech... it has to do with ripping into people.
I'm going to take a breath and accept that in your limitations, you do not see any such behavior (that is swarming and spamming) being performed by your compatriots. Suffice to say that there are trolls on both sides of the political aisle; I would in the future like you to refrain from making blanket statements as such.
Come On! ...Give Me A Break!!
I stand by every word I said above..
http://www.sodahead.com/other...
I will take a deep breath on your behalf also, herb. Maybe you should reread my comment above over and over until it sinks in. Apparently you're not getting it. And yes... you are right, herb. There are trolls on both sides of the political aisle but I would venture to say the blanket is bigger on the left. I would in the future like you and others to refrain from whining.... but that ain't likely now is it.?
Blocking people is free speech, but allowing people to comment is censorship?
If I wrote a poll stating that all conservatives molest children, and block anyone who might say differently, I'm being fair and biased?
You may venture to say that the Left trolls more often, but you'll be wrong. The split is still about half.
I'm blocked... what am I gonna do?
I am not an unreasonable person, nor am I one who spams, nor am I terribly abusive. yet I am blocked by most of the prominent conservatives on here. Since any third-party inquiry as to my blocking is only met insults, I am led to believe it has more to do with my ability to articulate thoughts, thus ruining their mockery of liberals.
And don't feel like the lone ranger here... My polls are stinky because I have many people on the left blocked. I don't get all the good foot traffic everyone else does because I chose to block. But as I said earlier, I don't block as a means of control or to be mean... it is for my own sanity. lol
We are all being mocked. It's a constant tit for tat on here.
I have thought about unblocking everyone but I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm gun shy when it comes to that. I can't stand the thought of having to deal with a swarm. I don't have time for it to be honest and I don't want to deal with abuse either.
Yip Yapping back and forth a little is fine but crossing that line just isn't for me. I had a really bad experience when I first came on here and I was determined not to let the thugs run me off. I got down and dirty with them. I had no choice though. Meanwhile, a so called friend of mine was going behind my back to keep mutual friends from helping me AND she was bad mouthing me to the people that were being abusive... egging them on. Some still helped but I had to do alot on my own to show the thugs... and take a stand.... and let them and everyone else on here know I can get nasty too and I can Very Well take care of myself. I just choo...
And don't feel like the lone ranger here... My polls are stinky because I have many people on the left blocked. I don't get all the good foot traffic everyone else does because I chose to block. But as I said earlier, I don't block as a means of control or to be mean... it is for my own sanity. lol
We are all being mocked. It's a constant tit for tat on here.
I have thought about unblocking everyone but I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm gun shy when it comes to that. I can't stand the thought of having to deal with a swarm. I don't have time for it to be honest and I don't want to deal with abuse either.
Yip Yapping back and forth a little is fine but crossing that line just isn't for me. I had a really bad experience when I first came on here and I was determined not to let the thugs run me off. I got down and dirty with them. I had no choice though. Meanwhile, a so called friend of mine was going behind my back to keep mutual friends from helping me AND she was bad mouthing me to the people that were being abusive... egging them on. Some still helped but I had to do alot on my own to show the thugs... and take a stand.... and let them and everyone else on here know I can get nasty too and I can Very Well take care of myself. I just choose not too by blocking. I Never got as nasty as they did... but I didn't hold back much either. The so called friend that I mentioned even made fun of me for fighting back. I really had no choice if I wanted to stay on here BUT, That is the very thing the "so-called friend" Did Not Want. She wanted me gone more than anyone.
I just don't want to be put in that position again. But at least now I know, if I can come out of being abused by the gang thugs and I can come out of being backstabbed and lied about by a jealous woman on here.. I am good to go.
The dear friends that came in and helped me even though our mutual but jealous friend advised them not to will always hold a special place in my heart.
They know who they are....
Speaking of perspective, I've begun to look at it this way. If the author of a provocative post pulls the Chaiman Mao thing and only allows those with similar points of view to comment, then any opposing point of view is wasted. There would be no intelligent discussion or debate, just childish bantering. Do we really have time to get involved in that? I would hope I can use my time and neurons more productively, wouldn't you?
If you truly want to make a difference, then create your own thought provoking blog rather than wasting your time arguing with low quality thinkers. As for getting it chosen by SH operatives as one of the 'popular' topics? Who knows. I learned back in junior high not to get upset about the popular crowd crap. I'm not saying that as a backhanded bash to you either, just that I've spent quite a few years on the 'B side' of the popular releases. The deeper cut in the album if you will.
Where the populace is taking in 'Dancing With the Stars' in huge numbers, you probably wouldn't find that many high achievers nor quality thinkers in the audience. Figure out wh...
Speaking of perspective, I've begun to look at it this way. If the author of a provocative post pulls the Chaiman Mao thing and only allows those with similar points of view to comment, then any opposing point of view is wasted. There would be no intelligent discussion or debate, just childish bantering. Do we really have time to get involved in that? I would hope I can use my time and neurons more productively, wouldn't you?
If you truly want to make a difference, then create your own thought provoking blog rather than wasting your time arguing with low quality thinkers. As for getting it chosen by SH operatives as one of the 'popular' topics? Who knows. I learned back in junior high not to get upset about the popular crowd crap. I'm not saying that as a backhanded bash to you either, just that I've spent quite a few years on the 'B side' of the popular releases. The deeper cut in the album if you will.
Where the populace is taking in 'Dancing With the Stars' in huge numbers, you probably wouldn't find that many high achievers nor quality thinkers in the audience. Figure out who you're targeting with your topics, and aim for attracting that element.
If you really want the high activity, provocative thing going on, then unblock those you've personally blocked and fire one (or many) of those blogs off. You can't expect others to follow your example but you can encourage them to do so. We don't control them, only our response to them.
How would you feel with the gov. doing it? It's okay if a civilian blocks your response on what is supposed to be a public site? You don't believe that open dialog is important in America?
Sounds pretty fascist to me.
Re-read what I said and keep doing so until you understand it.
http://www.sodahead.com/other...
And Noooo.... the fascism belongs to the LWNJ's
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This is not anything like how the Democratic or Republican parties have been acting. Both sides have shown the occasional similarity, but the readiness of people to throw a broom-handle mustache on anything that upsets them, from politicians to Mondays, is so ridiculously trite and cliche. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why insist that it's a hadrosaur?
Of course, in the true form of a con, you let your pictures do the talking. Guess you have problems stringing words together except to make insults.
I answered your question once and ask you to re-read because apparently you didn't understand it the first time. I can string my words together just fine. That's why you're getting so ticked. In true form of a libtard... when your lies start and someone calls you on it... you start getting personal.
>>> Sounds pretty fascist to me. <<<
Geesh....You can't even get out of your own way patt.
It's called "Personal Boundaries"
I can see blocking for harassment, abuse, threats and various other valid reasons. But because someone disagrees with your position, or gets you to a place that you have no answer, this is not an invasion of your personal space. Weak. Try again. I've been on SH for about a year, I have never had to block anyone. And, believe me, I have had some horrible things thrown at me. But, if you ignore more pests, they will go away. Blocking goes against the premise I employed when joining this community.
>>> I can see blocking for harassment, abuse, threats and various other valid reasons. <<<
patt.... I believe those are the reasons that I said I block. I never said I block because someone disagrees with my position.
>>> But because someone disagrees with your position, or gets you to a place that you have no answer, this is not an invasion of your personal space. Weak. Try again.I've been on SH for about a year, I have never had to block anyone. <<<
Kudos for you...
I've been on here longer than you patt, and if you knew me very well... you'd know no one has ever had me in a position that I didn't have an answer back for them.