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Has grammar truly gone out the window?

Chris 2012/04/30 17:38:24






When the plural is used but no specific numeric indicator is given that would explicitly include “one” then “one” is
just as valid as “more than one.” Singular is used if and onlyif you’re talking about one andonly one of something.
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The above was used to try and refute evidence presented in another argument, but I don't think that arguing grammar really had any meaning in that discussion. Now, while I understand that sometimes we are required to use plural nouns in place of singular nouns to make something grammatically correct, but isn't that when we are speaking about something where there are a variety of different ways something can be categorized or something? I'm not really conveying the thought I'm having well on the issue, but I'll try some examples related to the sign above.

"No dogs of any kind are allowed." Is this not because there are many kinds of dogs, and that because all dogs are not allowed, we must use the plural? No dog allowed is simply incorrect when it comes to grammar, and thus cannot be written.(I've just become paranoid that I will make a simple grammatical mistake somewhere in this post now and for that I will chastised. I suspect it to most likely be, if anything, a dangling participle or ending a sentence with a preposition.)

I am aware that when we speak of all of something, that we use plural nouns. And while in person, and writing, I tend to use "they" to refer to singular individuals, I use it because it is a single word that conveys I don't know the gender of that individual being discussed. If someone has a word that would be better suited, I'm all ears, and though most people seem to use this same custom, I have been chastised for using it as well.

Getting back to the point, though, is it valid for someone to declare that in all instances, a plural that is not preceded by a numeric indicator can mean one or more? I do not believe this to be the case, in so far as a plural allowing for a singular possibility is the exception. As above, the sign is saying "All dogs are not allowed," which would mean that even one is not. However, if you are looking for the parents of a child, while you may only need to find one, you are, nonetheless, looking for multiple parents (specifically two). Is this not accurate? I'm having a hard time trying to rationalize the idea that talks about requirements for the parents of a child meaning that only one need meet said requirement, despite it being pluralized.

If a school were to have admission requirements stating "Any child admitted to this institution must have parents that are employed." Would that not be indicating that both parents be employed? If it were meant to be one or more, would it not be something more akin to the following sentence? "Any child admitted to this institution must have at least one parent that is employed." Other things that come to mind are "having a parent that is employed" and "one or more parents."

Naturally, now all the quotations are making me concerned about my grammar being critiqued. I suppose I will just have to live with that, should it come up, so long as anyone that speaks ill of my grammar also comments on my inquires.

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  • Gunner 2012/05/01 03:18:01
    Gunner
    Generally speaking, I do believe that grammar has gone out the window, and the english language is going down the toilet. Just a few too-common examples:

    "Oh.....mah.....gawd.....I was like so shocked like I didn't know like what to say...."
    "Where you at?"
    "I had seen him at the corner."

    I could go on and on, but I get nauseous.
  • Chris Gunner 2012/05/01 03:37:49
    Chris
    Isn't that last one more or less the opposite of "I hadn't seen him anywhere," though? I hate when my questions end with a quote that isn't itself a question.
  • BattleBunnys 2012/04/30 22:48:11
    BattleBunnys
    My English honors teacher began the class with, "Today, we be gonna workin' on a project."
    English honors. English HONORS.
  • Chris BattleB... 2012/05/01 03:35:50
    Chris
    Would have been nice if the next words out of their mouth were "Now who can tell me what was wrong with that sentence?"
  • BattleB... Chris 2012/05/01 19:29:35
    BattleBunnys
    Nope. When grading said project, she corrected the word "People" with "Persons". My friend Juli's paper now reads, "The persons from soccer and I occasionally hang out after school."
  • Chris BattleB... 2012/05/02 01:42:51
    Chris
    +1
    Your English teacher needs to be fired for incompetence. Now, were the sentence something like "The people from soccer and I occasionally hang out after school with illegal substances on our persons," it would have been correct, though silly to point out such a thing. I just had a really mean idea with regard to this instructor, and it starts with "We the persons..."
  • BattleB... Chris 2012/05/02 22:55:45 (edited)
    BattleBunnys
    We all kinda laughed about her behind her back... I ended up leaving the school because a lot of the teachers were incompetent, like her.
    The math teachers barely taught on the grounds that we (the students) would learn from this online math homework-y program called "cognitive tutor". Because of this, at my new school I'm completely struggling in Algebra II as I was not properly taught how to do certain things.
    EDIT: I believe she left, at least that's the rumor I heard (I don't really talk to anyone at that school anymore)
  • Chris BattleB... 2012/05/03 04:22:13
    Chris
    I got screwed over by a second-term student teacher my freshman year of high school honors English. First semester was our normal teacher, and then there were a few student teachers from the nearby university for the second semester. I remember certain conversations and events, but the rest of that class was a blur. I remember being threatened with a bad grade if I didn't sit quietly and do as I was told after asking why we were to write an article in order to prove that we understood the material presented in class, when the material that was presented was an ask and answer in which each and every student participated.

    I know of at least two other people that failed her class along with me, which amazed most of the students, since we were viewed as the top of the class. On top of that, while it didn't affect me, as I had a tendency to slack in some classes, and genuinely struggle in others, one of the other two lost out on a chance at graduating with a 4.0 because of that one semester with a student teacher. Oddly, we weren't able to challenge our final grades because the grade book and final exams disappeared from what we were told. Senior year was the exact opposite in AP English; I failed each grading period and aced the final. The instructor reluctantly gave me a passing g...

    I got screwed over by a second-term student teacher my freshman year of high school honors English. First semester was our normal teacher, and then there were a few student teachers from the nearby university for the second semester. I remember certain conversations and events, but the rest of that class was a blur. I remember being threatened with a bad grade if I didn't sit quietly and do as I was told after asking why we were to write an article in order to prove that we understood the material presented in class, when the material that was presented was an ask and answer in which each and every student participated.

    I know of at least two other people that failed her class along with me, which amazed most of the students, since we were viewed as the top of the class. On top of that, while it didn't affect me, as I had a tendency to slack in some classes, and genuinely struggle in others, one of the other two lost out on a chance at graduating with a 4.0 because of that one semester with a student teacher. Oddly, we weren't able to challenge our final grades because the grade book and final exams disappeared from what we were told. Senior year was the exact opposite in AP English; I failed each grading period and aced the final. The instructor reluctantly gave me a passing grade. I do believe this kind of craziness is what makes high school "fun times."

    Algebra shouldn't be that bad, though. Might even be some of the more entertaining math I've done, if I compare it to all the ridiculous high-level math I've had to do over the last 10 years.
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  • BattleB... Chris 2012/05/03 21:09:25
    BattleBunnys
    Ouch. My grade was decent enough in the class, I think I had a B... I don't really remember... Up until this year I kinda floated by on school because I was smart. Now I switched schools and they placed me in all honors/ap classes (with the exception being math) and it was a real slap to the face for me.

    I'm one of those people where language and social studies are a real breeze for me, but the moment I'm asked to do an equation, I am STUMPED. Math does not come easy for me and since I lacked the bases of Algebra at my old school, I'm behind everyone else. I even have a tutor and focus mainly on my math (occasionally chemistry too, if there's a lot of math involved) but my grade is always a C. The funny thing is, one of my best friends has the opposite problem. He'll look at an equation and tell you the answer instantly, but it takes him at least five minutes to read a page or two from a book.

    I apologize for any grammatical errors, I'm kinda writing this fast and don't have much time to proof read.
  • Chris BattleB... 2012/05/04 02:06:50
    Chris
    I'm down to a minute a page for most books, but I still feel like I catch myself re-reading the same things over and over at times. I had an interesting experience Junior year in an English class tied to my problem with reading. It's not that I can't read or comprehend, I'm just slow at doing it for some reason. Teacher decided to get me reading faster by giving me less time to read.
  • darlene 2012/04/30 17:51:07
    darlene
    It appears it has gone out the window.

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