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Does One's 'Right to Speak' Trump the Rights of Others to 'Not Listen'?

Melizmatic 2012/05/18 18:13:37
Yes! MY 'right to be heard' is more important than everything else in existence.
No, Every person's rights stop where another's rights begin.
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A friend of mine recently shared a really interesting article online, advising men on the proper way to approach an unknown woman they are attracted to without creeping her out.

interesting article online advising proper approach unknown woman attracted creeping

A paragraph contained therein caught my attention:

It basically stated that one of the biggest mistakes that many men make is not understanding and/or respecting the feedback, (both verbal and physical) that they receive from women during such an approach.

Even if given a negative response, many times some men will still try to pursue the woman in question anyway, and that's a huge red flag to the woman because such behavior sends a clear message:

His desire to interact with her is more important to him than the woman's right to be left in peace.

woman behavior sends clear message desire interact important womans peace

This got me to thinking about human interaction in general, and of course as it pertains to this website, specifically.

Let's take gender and sexuality out of the equation; and look at it from the perspective of debate and (much more common, on SH) arguments.

Many people here constantly site their "right to free speech" as justification for saying 'whatever they please to whomever they please, in whatever way they please.'

I do whatever I want cartman

And while that's not actually what the first amendment guarantees, that's still okay... as long there's also the clear understanding that no one else is 'required' to agree with them.

Nor does anyone have to sit there and listen to them, nor engage them in conversation.

Yet many people here, both male and female alike, seem utterly oblivious to this concept for some odd reason.

Even after being told that further dialog with them is not wanted, many people still try to press forward with the conversation, as if only their desire to engage the other person matters.

reason told dialog people press conversation desire engage person matters

Often, these kinds of members will go on to make nuisances of themselves, by constantly continuing to address a person who has made their disinterest clear... then heaven forbid that they find themse
lves blocked because they wouldn't leave others alone; these people are usually the first ones to start whining about cowardly behavior and complaining about their "rights" being impeded.

whiner

So with all that in mind, I ask you now; are folks like this right?

Does their 'right to speak their minds' supersede the rights of everyone else to ignore them?


What say you?

And you all should know 'the rules' of engagement by now; but just in case, here they are, yet again:

This post is in the 'Living' category, not 'News & Politics, (with a side of Religion)' for a reason.

Please keep all discourse of that nature in its appropriate forums, and maintain basic respect for others.

Thanks.


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  • Jeff Vader 2012/05/18 19:01:19 (edited)
    Chocolate Decadence Cake! Om nom nom....
    Jeff Vader
    +5
    Sorry I wasn't listening, I was thinking of a nice piece of chocolate cake and a glass of cold milk.
  • Melizmatic Jeff Vader 2012/05/18 19:01:53
    Melizmatic
    +4
    Good for you.
  • Jeff Vader Melizmatic 2012/05/18 19:07:53
    Jeff Vader
    +2
    I even forgot how to spell there. Must have been because I was at peace with the world :)
  • Melizmatic Jeff Vader 2012/05/18 19:08:30
    Melizmatic
    +3
    Must be nice.

    Enjoy.
  • BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET) 2012/05/18 18:47:25
    Chocolate Decadence Cake! Om nom nom....
    BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET)
    +6
    I would have gone with the "no" option but I haven't had a good piece of chocolate cake in ages ^_^
  • Melizmatic BattleB... 2012/05/18 18:48:35
    Melizmatic
    +4
    I know what you mean...
  • Mrkando 2012/05/18 18:46:18
    No, Every person's rights stop where another's rights begin.
    Mrkando
    +3
    Very well said Melizmatic. I love an intelligent woman. :)

    You are very right that when someone makes it clear that they do not agree, or just want to be left alone, that should always be honored. Unfortunately far to many do not understand that even remotely. What they want and what they think come first.

    One of the things I like however about a social networking site is that we are not obliged to respond to anyone. They can rant and rave all they want and it is still up to us as to how we respond, or not. At the same time I must admit I do not have people bugging me all the time so perhaps I would feel different about that if I had.

    As it is I have discovered one major factor. The more I respond to an idiot the more aggravated I get to the point it is clear that I am the stupid one for even talking with them so I have stopped doing that. A discussion is good. An argument is foolish.

    You started this with the piece about advising men the proper way to approach a woman. I learned a lot about this from my wife. It had been 15 years since the passing of her last husband. She had dated many times in the last 10 years but almost universally she always came away from meeting a man and knew far more about them then they ever knew about her. She told me that was the one thing tha...
    Very well said Melizmatic. I love an intelligent woman. :)

    You are very right that when someone makes it clear that they do not agree, or just want to be left alone, that should always be honored. Unfortunately far to many do not understand that even remotely. What they want and what they think come first.

    One of the things I like however about a social networking site is that we are not obliged to respond to anyone. They can rant and rave all they want and it is still up to us as to how we respond, or not. At the same time I must admit I do not have people bugging me all the time so perhaps I would feel different about that if I had.

    As it is I have discovered one major factor. The more I respond to an idiot the more aggravated I get to the point it is clear that I am the stupid one for even talking with them so I have stopped doing that. A discussion is good. An argument is foolish.

    You started this with the piece about advising men the proper way to approach a woman. I learned a lot about this from my wife. It had been 15 years since the passing of her last husband. She had dated many times in the last 10 years but almost universally she always came away from meeting a man and knew far more about them then they ever knew about her. She told me that was the one thing that she was almost shocked about with me. I ask her questions about her and then not only listened to what she had to say but gave feedback that let her know I was really listening. It made all the difference to her.
    Far too many people in general do not do this and it simply amazes me.
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  • Melizmatic Mrkando 2012/05/18 21:32:48
    Melizmatic
    +3
    Thanks.
  • Mrkando Melizmatic 2012/05/18 23:05:01
  • Caedus01 Sith Lord of the P... 2012/05/18 18:29:14
    Yes! MY 'right to be heard' is more important than everything else in existence.
    Caedus01 Sith Lord of the PHAET
    +10


    Don't you DARE IGNORE ME!!!
  • BattleB... Caedus0... 2012/05/18 18:46:50
  • Chris- ... Caedus0... 2012/05/18 19:39:51
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +4
    lol...
  • *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T 2012/05/18 18:28:51
    No, Every person's rights stop where another's rights begin.
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
  • Chris - The Rowdy One! #187 2012/05/18 18:21:37
    No, Every person's rights stop where another's rights begin.
    Chris - The Rowdy One! #187
    +1
    I agree with you 100%.
  • Melizmatic Chris -... 2012/05/18 18:30:55
    Melizmatic
    +4
    You do?
  • Chris -... Melizmatic 2012/05/18 18:31:43
    Chris - The Rowdy One! #187
    Absolutely I do.
  • Melizmatic Chris -... 2012/05/18 18:35:22 (edited)
    Melizmatic
    +7
    Interesting.

    I thought people who use the block feature were "cowards and wimps," per your opinion?

    While this post isnt about that topic, specifically, that's still a tool that people use (or abuse, in some cases) to ignore others that they dont wish to be bothered with.
  • BattleB... Melizmatic 2012/05/18 18:50:05
    BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET)
    +6
    Thats very interesting, considering that not a few days ago, Chris was whining at me and calling me a coward for blocking him.
  • Melizmatic BattleB... 2012/05/18 19:02:20
  • Chris -... Melizmatic 2012/05/18 19:59:57
    Chris - The Rowdy One! #187
    I love that pic!
  • Chris -... Melizmatic 2012/05/18 19:59:34 (edited)
    Chris - The Rowdy One! #187
    I do feel that way but I do not want to remove their right to do it. I am all for people expressing their freedom of speech but I do not want it to be forced upon those that choose to not hear it.

    Again, we agree 100% regardless of what BattleBot says.
  • Melizmatic Chris -... 2012/05/18 21:04:29
    Melizmatic
    +2
    Watch yourself there, Chris; my rules about civility still apply; agreement, or no agreement.
  • Chris -... Melizmatic 2012/05/19 11:25:13
    Chris - The Rowdy One! #187
    Civility rules in my opinion! I did not think my answer was outside the spirit of civility.

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