Do you think that Aliens were involved in the construction of the Egyptian Pyramids?

I can't rule it out, but it is my opinion that people wish to see the involvement of extraterrestrials because they simply grossly underestimate the intellect of ancient races and cultures.

I would have expected better technology if aliens had been involved

The ancient ruins at Puma PunkuTiahuanuco, are quite interesting and difficult to make totally human conclusions about though.

Aliens and slave labour. Will not be convinced otherwise

The pyramids were built by a race of giants (see the Bible/Apocrypha). For them, it was a piece of cake.

The bible is not a credible source.

Disagree. The Bible is an excellent source of anecdotal information. Maybe not/not always factual or historical, but certain cultural information CAN be gleaned from it.

Then, too, the 'Giants theory' is one of the few ideas which actually makes a modicum of sense. It certainly makes more sense than the notion that a bunch of slaves managed to hoist or pull those monstrous stones up the sides of the structure.

Where is proof that there were giants?

The question is absurd on its face. You wouldn't accept whatever evidence I provided, and both of us know it. For those who believe no evidence is necessary. For those who don't no amount of evidence will ever be sufficient.

IN ANY CASE, I didn't state my position as fact, but only offered it as one THEORY as to how the pyramids were built. Nice try, though. :->

You will probably post bible quotes.

I want FACTS.

Do you always come to the job site with the wrong tools? Read what I said again, only this time pay special attention to the following words: "IN ANY CASE, I didn't state my position as fact, but only offered it as one THEORY as to how the pyramids were built."

Obviously, only an idiot would state that the pyramids were built by giants as 'fact,' just as only a tool would demand 'facts' to prove a theory. If this were a debate, sir, you'd be losing. Worse, you'd be losing with no clue as to why. :-)

LOL@ " Worse, you'd be losing with no clue as to why."

So true, but they are not likely to admit to themselves, let alone their opponent, that they are losing.

In my experience atheists are every bit as much into evangelism as Christians. Certainly not all of them to be sure, but enough to make the point.

Christians/other believers have the advantage, though, because we're aware of the emotional (and often puerile) motivations behind an atheist's FAITH whereas s/he is not. Most atheists live in denial. It's the only vector by which they can convince themselves of their own intellectual 'superiority.' People who are not aware of the underlying basis/motivation behind their own stance can readily be beaten in debate--like red-headed step-chillin' in fact. :-)

Atheists are the furthest thing from evangelism. Also, just because you say atheism is a faith, it does not make it one.

Atheists evangelize all the time. Some of them do so even more blatantly than Christians. You don't see ME using a cross as my avatar, do you? Consider that a 'hint,' Mr. 'Atheism Inside.' :-)

Oh, and atheism is MOST DEFINITELY a faith. Until you have facts on which to base your conclusions, a belief that no god exists is every bit as predicated on FAITH as a belief that one does exist. The only ones who cannot see this are atheists themselves. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Atheism is a lack of believe, just like Asantaism. If atheism was a religion then not believing santa, bigfoot, etc would be a religion.

"Atheism is a lack of believe"

No, in fact it is not. Atheism is a faith-based conclusion: there is no god. A lack of belief would be 'I don't know/care if/whether there's a god.

The latter portion of your statement is roughly correct.

Nope. I guess you think asantaism is a religion too.

It's not so much the OBJECT of faith which defines a religion as the presence of a catechism.

Nimitz, I just love some of your posts! Your sense of style and presentation of words if awesome! I don't even feel like I need to post anything, I just like reading yours:))

Thanks. . but you need to get in the fight or people will think you're chicken. :-)

Nah, I will just "Ditto" you!!!

Bk-bk-bkak! :-)

What? Come on, you mean I must come up with my own incredibly, well thought out and time testedd come backs?

Well-thought isn't always (if ever) time tested. One or the other should suffice. LOLZ!

"Smiles", good point!

It is belief in something to which you have absolutely no proof. If that doesn't count as 'faith' what does?

Atheists don't claim anything.

Most of the atheists I have encountered state emphatically that there is no God. And they are as tenacious in their certainty as the most zealous deist.

That is gnostic atheism, but you just need to not believe to be an atheist.

I understand that, but as I say the majority of the self professed atheists would fall into the gnostic atheist camp. Few bother to declare themselves to be gnostic atheists, they simply refer to themselves as atheists.

Most are agnostic, including me. But it is like 1 in 10000000000000000000000000000... chance

Agreed on the probabilities, but I still say that most of the professed atheists are of the gnostic variety.

Nope. I don't think anything is proven.

I'm not stating fact, just relating my own personal experience.

In this context, nothing CAN be 'proven.' That means each of us arrive at our conclusions on FAITH.

Any chance at all leaves the question up in the air. You cannot be an atheist unless you're SURE in your belief that there is no god.

That is not atheism.

Do you believe in santa?