Do you support Gay marriage
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2012/04/21 13:53:08
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Scream 2012/04/21 13:57:32
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and...
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Your use of the Bible of hate to justifiy your prejudices is foolhardy at best.
My use of the Holy Bible is to spread the word of God as Jesus commanded his followers to do; I am not going to disregard that task because some people don't want me to.
Sorry, But I nor anyone here has ever stated you should stop your ministry, however, when it comes to the "basic civil right" to the "civil contract of civil marriage" I don't see the imposition of religious dogma, doctrines and beliefs into a civil law process as valid.
Separation of Church and State isn't the same thing as Separation of Ethics and State.
-The Holy Bible directly states that homosexuality is immoral and the Adi Granth states that all followers should be married while simultaneously defining marriage as a man and a woman. You have found the problem though; many religious believers don't even know what their religion believes.
The Holy Bible:
Leviticus 18:22-23
22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Romans 1:18-32
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and bird...
-The Holy Bible directly states that homosexuality is immoral and the Adi Granth states that all followers should be married while simultaneously defining marriage as a man and a woman. You have found the problem though; many religious believers don't even know what their religion believes.
The Holy Bible:
Leviticus 18:22-23
22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Romans 1:18-32
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
-Is trying to save someone from damnation any less than love?
"many are pro-choice as well"
-That is more undefined, but just as there is nothing in the Holy Bible about how slavery is wrong or how creating computer viruses is wrong, they are still immoral. The Holy Bible only creates the basic laws; society must find the most ethical solutions. Murdering children is wrong in my opinion.
"As I said, my Christian mother doesn't think Homosexuality is wrong,"
-Respectfully, she should probably read the Holy Bible more often then. Has she ever read Leviticus or Romans?
What about Romans condemnation of homosexuality? Are you ignoring it for any particular reason?
The concept of a Representative Constitutional Republic places upon all members of the society to repsect the individuality of the individual. We are not talking about what some individuals CHOSE to associate with in a religious sense. We are talking about the rights, priveleges, benefits and responsibilities of each member of society. We are also speaking of the FREEDOM of the individual.
Freedom to pursue their OWN path; not that dictated by religions. Freedom to live our lives as we so chose to live it. Your dogma, doctrines and beliefs may be of the majority however, the beliefs and rights of the minority in our type of civil government MUST be equally protected. James Madison warned of this in his address to Congress during his presentation of the Bill of Rights.
"In our Government it is, perhaps, less necessary to guard against the abuse in the executive department than any other; because it is not the stronger branch of the system, but the weaker. It therefore must be levelled against the legislative, for it is the most powerful, and most likely to be abused, because it is under the least control. Hence, so far as a declaration of rights can tend to prevent the exercise of undue power, it cannot...
The concept of a Representative Constitutional Republic places upon all members of the society to repsect the individuality of the individual. We are not talking about what some individuals CHOSE to associate with in a religious sense. We are talking about the rights, priveleges, benefits and responsibilities of each member of society. We are also speaking of the FREEDOM of the individual.
Freedom to pursue their OWN path; not that dictated by religions. Freedom to live our lives as we so chose to live it. Your dogma, doctrines and beliefs may be of the majority however, the beliefs and rights of the minority in our type of civil government MUST be equally protected. James Madison warned of this in his address to Congress during his presentation of the Bill of Rights.
"In our Government it is, perhaps, less necessary to guard against the abuse in the executive department than any other; because it is not the stronger branch of the system, but the weaker. It therefore must be levelled against the legislative, for it is the most powerful, and most likely to be abused, because it is under the least control. Hence, so far as a declaration of rights can tend to prevent the exercise of undue power, it cannot be doubted but such declaration is proper.
But I confess that I do conceive, that in a Government modified like this of the United States, the great danger lies rather in the abuse of the community than in the legislative body.
The prescriptions in favor of liberty ought to be levelled against that quarter where the greatest danger lies, namely, that which possesses the highest prerogative of power.
But it is not found in either the executive or legislative departments of Government, but in the body of the people, operating by the majority against the minority."
-Only in the modern context; this concept wasn't mainstream until the 1960s (the age of Liberalism). This was not true for the first 186 years of the United States.
"We are talking about the rights, priveleges, benefits and responsibilities of each member of society."
-Correct. Should we provide anyone the legal support, privileges, and benefits in doing immoral acts (homosexuality, theft, murder, rape, and bestiality)? I am saying that homosexuals are responsible for their actions, unlike yourself who argues that they have no control over who they have sexual relations with.
"Freedom to pursue their OWN path; not that dictated by religions."
-What about when the majority chooses our path to be religious in nature?
"James Madison warned of this in his address to Congress during his presentation of the Bill of Rights."
-James Madison was a coward who fled the white house and pretended to be a vagrant when the British came to Washington D.C. in the war that he started (The War of 1812); instead of defending or warning people, he hid. Few people care what he said about minorities; the fact is that all of the founding fathers (including Madison...
-Only in the modern context; this concept wasn't mainstream until the 1960s (the age of Liberalism). This was not true for the first 186 years of the United States.
"We are talking about the rights, priveleges, benefits and responsibilities of each member of society."
-Correct. Should we provide anyone the legal support, privileges, and benefits in doing immoral acts (homosexuality, theft, murder, rape, and bestiality)? I am saying that homosexuals are responsible for their actions, unlike yourself who argues that they have no control over who they have sexual relations with.
"Freedom to pursue their OWN path; not that dictated by religions."
-What about when the majority chooses our path to be religious in nature?
"James Madison warned of this in his address to Congress during his presentation of the Bill of Rights."
-James Madison was a coward who fled the white house and pretended to be a vagrant when the British came to Washington D.C. in the war that he started (The War of 1812); instead of defending or warning people, he hid. Few people care what he said about minorities; the fact is that all of the founding fathers (including Madison) opposed homosexuality. They never wrote any legislature on the matter because the idea of homosexuality being commonplace was completely unimaginable in the 18th and 19th centuries. If homosexuality wasn't universal then, why should it be a cornerstone of our modern society (if homosexuals could control their actions for 186 years, why are they incapable of doing it now)?
Not true. I suggest you look at the Preamble of our US Constitution. It spells it out plain and clear; the rights of the individual are paramount within the context of our NEW government being created.
B. What about when the majority chooses our path to be religious in nature?
Did you not read the last sentence of what James Madison wrote? The protection of the minority from the abuse of the majority is again paramount over the will of the majority. That is why the Bill of rights was introduced and added to the main part of the Constitution.
C. James Madison was a coward who fled the white house and pretended to be a vagrant when the British came to Washington D.C. in the war that he started (The War of 1812); instead of defending or warning people, he hid. Few people care what he said about minorities;
Yeah Right! The primary author of the US Constitution was a coward. He had a death sentence on his head the instant he penned the Constitution. As for minority rights, it was Madison's intent to protect ALL minorities; especially minority religions.
As for your discussion on homosexuality, you really don't have a clue do you. It was just as prevalent then as it is now. Just very much hidden away.
-No. It is only interpreted that way in the modern context (1960s-2012). The original meaning didn't even apply to other races or women. The constitution hadn't been interpreted into universal terms without any exceptions until the 1960s.
"Did you not read the last sentence of what James Madison wrote?"
-I read it. Madison warning that it could happen is irrelevant in this discussion.
"The primary author of the US Constitution was a coward."
-Read about his actions during the War of 1812; he was a coward.
"As for minority rights, it was Madison's intent to protect ALL minorities; especially minority religions."
-He didn't seek to protect other races or women; he sought to protect Christian and Jewish minorities but not any other religions. I think this has become distracted from the topic; unless you're claiming that having sex with your own gender a religion?
"It was just as prevalent then as it is now. Just very much hidden away."
-If it was hidden away, it wasn't prevalent.
prev•a•lent - accepted, widespread
If you study history, you know that homosexuality wasn't tolerated in the ...
-No. It is only interpreted that way in the modern context (1960s-2012). The original meaning didn't even apply to other races or women. The constitution hadn't been interpreted into universal terms without any exceptions until the 1960s.
"Did you not read the last sentence of what James Madison wrote?"
-I read it. Madison warning that it could happen is irrelevant in this discussion.
"The primary author of the US Constitution was a coward."
-Read about his actions during the War of 1812; he was a coward.
"As for minority rights, it was Madison's intent to protect ALL minorities; especially minority religions."
-He didn't seek to protect other races or women; he sought to protect Christian and Jewish minorities but not any other religions. I think this has become distracted from the topic; unless you're claiming that having sex with your own gender a religion?
"It was just as prevalent then as it is now. Just very much hidden away."
-If it was hidden away, it wasn't prevalent.
prev•a•lent - accepted, widespread
If you study history, you know that homosexuality wasn't tolerated in the United States until the 1960s (or 1950s in Hollywood). If you mean common, then you are attesting that homosexuals can be discreet and don't need to publicly showcase their sexuality. That's a claim that most modern homosexuals would dispute because they say they need to publicly showcase their homosexuality all the time.