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In a surprising 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court voted to uphold President Obama's health care law, commonly referred to as Obamacare. Do you agree with their decision?

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  • OneLastWord 2012/06/28 20:01:35 (edited)
    No
    OneLastWord
    +40
    Next, government will tell you, you have to buy this or that, or be$ fined.



    I wonder if this really goes into the toilet “financially” will the Democrats, Obama and the White House own up to this screw-up, or just blame Bush again, or Mitt Romney as it was his Massachusetts Governor-Ship health care bill that was used (mostly copied) by the 2009 Democratic controlled congress.



    The rest of the PORK in that bill was pure, liberal democratic, Obama radical W.H. socialistic crap.


    Added 7-3-2012
    Look at these people carrying signs Soda Head has posted here, they say "Protect the Law', yet these same people and liberals will be out in numbers protesting border patrol states that are trying to uphold the law and protest their borders and send illegal’s back to where they came from until they come into the country legally. But we know what that’s all about, right?
    All votes get counted if they are Democratic votes.

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  • smitty rivaldruid 2012/07/02 14:11:16 (edited)
    smitty
    +2
    Amazing isn't it? The white even now is still saying it isn't a tax. This is absolutely crazy.

    Obamatax is alive and well.

    2014 $95 or 1% of income whichever is greater
    2015 $325 or 2% of income whichever is greater
    2016 $625 or 2.5% of income whichever is greater.

    Forgot to mention if you are one of those millionaires you will also no be happliy playing medicare tax on your unearned income.
  • cinbadl smitty 2012/07/02 17:06:39
  • marchan... cinbadl 2012/07/02 23:26:16
    marchantmarchant
    +3
    Oh my GAWD! This truly made my day! Thank you so much for giving me a well needed laugh. GAWD knows we are all going to need one once this so called OBAMACARE goes into full effect. Someone needs to wake the hell up and repeal this garbage!
  • Ronzo marchan... 2012/07/08 15:02:47
    Ronzo
    We all need to Vote in Novemeber, don't depend on others to defeat Obama, we all need to do our part.
  • marchan... Ronzo 2012/10/26 20:14:21 (edited)
    marchantmarchant
    You are absolutely right because frankly, I do not know how many can truly afford another four years of this type of Change! Forward?! I think it is more like Backwards and frankly, it appears that four more years with the current administration will only mean more of the same misleading game with a new name.
  • Ronzo rivaldruid 2012/07/02 23:39:03
    Ronzo
    Ditto, I have kids and have got feed back from this age group and they are pissed off with Obamacare being forced on them, they can get even in november and vote this Dic tator out of office.
  • ratman Ronzo 2012/07/04 00:08:55
    ratman
    I have kids and they are covered until they are 26 years old. By then, they should have jobs and be able to support themselves. And since they will be in a healthier age bracket their insurance costs should be considerably less than mine, and will be far better off. So. I still just don't understand the fight about that part.
  • ratman rivaldruid 2012/07/04 00:05:51
    ratman
    You have the talking points down, but the facts, they are elusive.
  • Andrew 2012/07/02 11:26:02
    No
    Andrew
    +3
    We must not rest until barrack Obama is OUT of office, the House and Senate are decidedly Constitutional (I didn't say Republican) and the Supreme Court strict constructionist majority is 9-0!
  • Ronzo Andrew 2012/07/02 23:14:52 (edited)
    Ronzo
    +2
    Ditto. We all need to be looking for good sound men and or women who have common sense and respect for our constitutional laws, we need them to run for elected local, state, and federal positions. God Bless America and getting Obuma removed will the a sign of God Blessing America.
  • Wolf 2012/07/02 09:05:05
    Yes
    Wolf
    The Act now does not have standing under the law...the separation of powers clause in the Constitution requires that this change to make the Act Constitutional by done and approved by Congress ...the Supreme Court can only strike sections or the entire Bill but it cannot change words by rewriting it that is the sole right of Congress...
  • DavidK 2012/07/02 05:56:10
    No
    DavidK
    +4
    Has any of the Supreme Court Justices read the Constitution lately? I can say five of the justices will have to be held accountable for how they ruled. There is no reason why Obama care should be ruled Constitutional. Many Americans read the Constitution and know with no doubt what is said in simple terms. The Constitution was meant to be understood by the common person. It is not complicated to understand. It does not take a Harvard Law Degree to understand with clarity what the Constitution says about Obamacare. Only lawyers can screw it up with their own twisted thinking and word manipulation to stretch the meaning beyond the intent.

    1. The Obamacare individual Mandate is a direct Tax which is unconstitutional under Article 1 section 9: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    2. It violates State’s right since the Federal Government does not have the Constitutional Authority to take over Healthcare as stated in the 10th Amendment outlined in the Bill of Rights. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    3. This mandate is involuntary servitude or slavery to t...























    Has any of the Supreme Court Justices read the Constitution lately? I can say five of the justices will have to be held accountable for how they ruled. There is no reason why Obama care should be ruled Constitutional. Many Americans read the Constitution and know with no doubt what is said in simple terms. The Constitution was meant to be understood by the common person. It is not complicated to understand. It does not take a Harvard Law Degree to understand with clarity what the Constitution says about Obamacare. Only lawyers can screw it up with their own twisted thinking and word manipulation to stretch the meaning beyond the intent.

    1. The Obamacare individual Mandate is a direct Tax which is unconstitutional under Article 1 section 9: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    2. It violates State’s right since the Federal Government does not have the Constitutional Authority to take over Healthcare as stated in the 10th Amendment outlined in the Bill of Rights. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    3. This mandate is involuntary servitude or slavery to the big banks and the insurance industries. The 13 amendment states: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    4. It benefits certain industries in a crony capitalist or a monopoly system is illegal in the Constitution under Article 1 section 8: No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

    5. Justice Kagan is not supposed to hear this case because of conflict of interest. The reason is; she was part of drafting and passing the Affordable Healthcare Act. I would recommend many state Attorney Generals invalidate the ruling from the High Court on the bases Justice Kagan did not recuse herself as the law prescribed.

    6. The American people overwhelmingly reject the Government taking over the Healthcare industry.

    7. This July 4. We celebrate Independence Day breaking all political ties with the King of England because of taxes and government oppressing the colonist as written in the Declaration of Independence stating: He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.Get ready for IRS agents to come and collect unjust taxes trying to force us to pay for something we do not want.

    8. The Individual Mandate is a tax imposed on us, just as the early colonist said in their grievance against the King Stated again in the Declaration of Independence. For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent. We went from no taxation without representation to TAXATION WITHOUT HESITATION 235 years later, Obamacare was rammed down our throats without our consent.

    9. Remember the Whiskey and Shays rebellions. The people will resist and revolt than pay for a tax they never consented to nor are not legally bound under the Constitution. The people back in our early history were the final check on government power.

    10. the American people will be the final check on government power as stated again in the famous document signed by 56 people on July 4, 1776: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    11. States can ignore the supreme court ruling under this landmark decision Prinz Mack vs. Brady Bill victory for the 10th Amendment with Justice Scalia giving the majority opinion writing saying the several states “are not subject to federal direction” reinforcing the Federalist papers quote: ” The great innovation of this design was that-our citizens would have two political capacities, one state and one federal, each protected from incursion by the other” With another Federalist quote: ” Just as the separation and independence of the coordinate branches of the Federal Government serve to prevent the accumulation of excessive power in any one branch, a healthy balance of power between the States and the Federal Government will reduce the risk of tyranny and abuse from either front”

    12. States will reject implementing Obamacare for the reason, it cost too much. It will wreck the economies already on the brink in many states hit hard by the economic depression. It will increase the number of people out of work. Many states will balk,

    13. This ruling will also give fuel to people running for state legislators. The people will demand the states to nullify Obamacare with other draconian illegal Federal incursions like the TSA with more intensity.

    This ruling might be the spark America needs to find within themselves to take their country back from socialist control freaks. Firearms sales are rising to record levels. The reason is the people see the government as a threat to their safety and security.

    This ruling might be a blessing in disguise that could be the best thing to happen for America. This is a good reason more then ever to push back government inside the confines of the Constitution. Are you motivated to take back America? Just face facts, we can no longer sit on the sidelines being a spectator. We have no choice but to push back or we will be slaves. I am no slave, are you?
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  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/02 12:08:45
    Lee
    Bull sh*t on top of Bull Sh*t.
  • Ronzo Lee 2012/07/02 23:22:38
    Ronzo
    Ditto David your right on the mark. I agree Lee obamacare is Bull sh*t
  • Lee Ronzo 2012/07/02 23:58:46
    Lee
    Well, you're obviously WRONG about that.

    Because Obmacare is the Law of the Land.

    You can deny reality all you want, but in the end. reality is still reality.
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/03 03:04:12
    DavidK
    and laws are meant to be broken! This one WILL be broken! MARK MY WORDS!!!
  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/03 03:32:19
    Lee
    Laws are also meant to be enforced, and this law will be enforced. Mark my words.

    I wonder if there's enough room in Federal prison for a few million Right Wing Nut Jobs.
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/03 08:07:26 (edited)
    DavidK
    And you welfare libtards are going to reap the benefits of OBAMACARE? Lets take a good look you fool.........

    Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts decided to save President Obama’s signature legislation by ruling that the individual mandate requiring Americans to have health coverage or pay a fine is constitutional under the federal government’s taxing power.

    That ruling took most people by surprise, since the Justice Department appears to have thought the “taxing power” argument was the weakest of its three weak justifications. Maybe Roberts has an affinity for weak arguments, because he certainly made a number of them himself in justifying the mandate as a tax.

    When the chief justice and his liberal colleagues consider the mandate a tax, they seem to mean only the penalty a person must pay for not having health insurance. However, the mandate has two parts: the requirement to have coverage and the penalty — er, tax — for not getting it. Why aren’t both considered a tax?

    ABC’s George Stephanopoulos did. When he directly challenged the president on the mandate-as-tax question, he said, “Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?”

    And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the manda...









    And you welfare libtards are going to reap the benefits of OBAMACARE? Lets take a good look you fool.........

    Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts decided to save President Obama’s signature legislation by ruling that the individual mandate requiring Americans to have health coverage or pay a fine is constitutional under the federal government’s taxing power.

    That ruling took most people by surprise, since the Justice Department appears to have thought the “taxing power” argument was the weakest of its three weak justifications. Maybe Roberts has an affinity for weak arguments, because he certainly made a number of them himself in justifying the mandate as a tax.

    When the chief justice and his liberal colleagues consider the mandate a tax, they seem to mean only the penalty a person must pay for not having health insurance. However, the mandate has two parts: the requirement to have coverage and the penalty — er, tax — for not getting it. Why aren’t both considered a tax?

    ABC’s George Stephanopoulos did. When he directly challenged the president on the mandate-as-tax question, he said, “Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?”

    And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And that doesn’t include all of the other taxes imposed by the legislation.

    The median U.S. family income is about $50,000. Family health coverage can easily run $20,000 a year — and rising quickly. In that scenario, the coverage mandate is essentially a 40 percent tax on that family, which is now required by law to ensure that every family member has qualifying coverage.

    And because the cost of the coverage will be similar even though incomes vary significantly, the lower the income the higher the effective tax rate — in essence, the most regressive tax in U.S. history, too.

    Now, President Obama and his enablers may deny the health insurance premium is a tax. But the bill’s defenders — including Budget Director Peter Orszag, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, and the president himself, not to mention Democrats in Congress — also denied the mandate was a tax.

    But when it became useful for the law’s supporters to consider the mandate a tax, they made the mental switcheroo easily. That’s because consistency and truth were not the goal; getting five Supreme Court votes was the only thing that mattered.

    If Roberts had told the liberals on the Court that the price for him signing on to the mandate was to consider both the premiums and the penalty a tax, would any of them have objected? How about the Flip-Flopper in Chief!
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  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/03 11:16:48 (edited)
    Lee
    "ABC’s George Stephanopoulos did?" Did what?

    Cutting, pasting, omitting, and paraphrasing can lead to a clumsy composition, don't you think? And use quotation marks where applicable.

    Why don't you cite your sources?

    And gosh I'm glad the Supreme Court saw fit to uphold the Constitution, aren't you?
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/03 15:38:37 (edited)
    DavidK
    Obamacare includes penalties for failing to purchase insurance. Roberts said the penalties are taxes but that does not in fact make them taxes. Congress would have to pass laws creating these new taxes. Further, as a tax bill, the Obamacare opponents would need only simple majorities in the House and the Senate reconciliation budget rules to block any new taxes.
    We have arrived at the time when the American people must decide: Do we want limited government or not?
    Today, almost half the voting age population does not pay income taxes. Thus, almost half of the population does not pay for national defense, other discretionary programs or interest on the national debt. Conversely, almost half of the population receives some or all of their support from government.
    This is why democracies fail. When more than half the voters think they can have free stuff just by voting for it, the free stuff costs more than the productive can produce, and soon nobody has enough of anything. Greece is a good example.
    I suggest you study your findings a little better. Somebody has got to pay for this............. unless you took Pelosi's advice! Are you one of the LIBTARD LEECHES?!?!?!?

  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/05 17:18:40
    Lee
    Still no sources huh?

    In other words, all you have to offer is unsubstantiated bullsh*t.
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/07 05:20:28
    DavidK
    Source for what?!?!?!?!? What more do you want a source on?!?!?!?
  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/07 15:45:54
    Lee
    All I ask is that you accompany your outlandish claims with a link to a CREDIBLE source.

    Is that too much to ask?
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/07 15:47:19 (edited)
    DavidK
    WHAT DID i CLAIM?!?!?!?!? SHOW ME YOU FOOL! ON HOW BAD THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS?
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/07 15:50:41 (edited)
    DavidK
    I SHOWED YOU WHY IT WON'T WORK!

    SHOW ME HOW YOU BELIEVE IT WORKS FOOL!
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/04 01:04:54
    DavidK
    ROMNEYCARE VS OBAMACARE

    Overall Size and Scope

    *RomneyCare
    -Whole bill was 70 pages
    -Romney vetoed significant sections of the bill including the employer penalty for not providing health insurance
    -Romney favored an “opt out” provision from the mandate
    -No federal gov. insurance option
    -Intended as a market driven solution to healthcare

    *OBAMACARE
    -Whole bill was 2,074 pages
    -Very broad regulation of the insurance industry including an employer penalty for not providing health insurance and no "opt out" provision
    -Leaves open the option of creating single-payer gov. insurance in the future
    -Intended as a step toward gov. run insurance


    Costs

    *ROMNEYCARE
    -No new taxes!
    -Romney balanced the state’s budget first, then passed healthcare law
    -No cuts to Medicare benefits
    -Modest cost to state (only added 1% to state budget)

    *OBAMACARE
    -Increased taxes by $500 billion
    -Despite massive federal gov. debt, Obama still passed Obamacare
    -Cuts Medicare by $500 billion
    -Overall costs unknown!


    Popularity

    *RomneyCare
    -Very strong bipartisan support
    -Strong special interest support
    -Very popular among the public in Massachusetts
    -Strong consensus of approval was built in the state to support the law
    -Consensus was built to support an individual mandate

    *OBAMACARE
    -Absolutely no bipartisan support
    -Very controversial and di...































    ROMNEYCARE VS OBAMACARE

    Overall Size and Scope

    *RomneyCare
    -Whole bill was 70 pages
    -Romney vetoed significant sections of the bill including the employer penalty for not providing health insurance
    -Romney favored an “opt out” provision from the mandate
    -No federal gov. insurance option
    -Intended as a market driven solution to healthcare

    *OBAMACARE
    -Whole bill was 2,074 pages
    -Very broad regulation of the insurance industry including an employer penalty for not providing health insurance and no "opt out" provision
    -Leaves open the option of creating single-payer gov. insurance in the future
    -Intended as a step toward gov. run insurance


    Costs

    *ROMNEYCARE
    -No new taxes!
    -Romney balanced the state’s budget first, then passed healthcare law
    -No cuts to Medicare benefits
    -Modest cost to state (only added 1% to state budget)

    *OBAMACARE
    -Increased taxes by $500 billion
    -Despite massive federal gov. debt, Obama still passed Obamacare
    -Cuts Medicare by $500 billion
    -Overall costs unknown!


    Popularity

    *RomneyCare
    -Very strong bipartisan support
    -Strong special interest support
    -Very popular among the public in Massachusetts
    -Strong consensus of approval was built in the state to support the law
    -Consensus was built to support an individual mandate

    *OBAMACARE
    -Absolutely no bipartisan support
    -Very controversial and divided special interest groups
    -Unpopular in nation overall
    -No consensus was built to support a mandate


    Constitutionality

    *RomneyCare
    -Constitutional
    -Regardless of how the Supreme Court rules on Obamacare, Romneycare will
    remain constitutional

    *OBAMACARE
    -Potentially unconstitutional
    -Supreme Court has yet to rule on 10th amendment limitations of federal gov. power in regard to this law



    Federalism

    *RomneyCare
    -A state solution to a state problem
    -Through collaboration and discussion, Massachusetts created a consensus among stake holders to support the new law

    *OBAMACARE
    -Federal gov. “one-size-fits-all” plan
    -Doesn’t take into account that each state is unique in important ways such as:
    1)Vastly different debt levels between states (some states can’t afford new spending on health care)
    2)Some states have three times the percentage of uninsured citizens (Much greater costs will be imposed on states with a larger percentage of uninusured citizens)
    3)Conservative states will reject implementation of federal gov. plan.
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    Most Americans don't want OBAMACARE!!!!!! Low income and libtards who are clueless anyways, flat out don't quite get the concept.
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  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/07 15:48:14 (edited)
    Lee
    Most Americans didn't want racial equality either.

    Face it, some Americans (Self-described Conservatives) are slow.

    Can your provide any recent poll results to support your contention that most Americans don't want the Affordable Care Act?
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/07 16:02:45 (edited)
    DavidK
    Face it, you libtards believe America should have open borders and we should coexist with illegal Mexicans, Muslim extremist etc and allow them to come here and leech off our Government at the taxpayers expense. "libtardiness" will be stopped! You are our own worst enemies.
    Its the "conservatives" that run this Country. without us you would have nothing! Including the government check you get every month that we pay for!

    Affordable Care Act?!?!?!?]
    When the Supreme Court upheld the health-care reforms known as "Obamacare" as constitutional last week, there were not nearly as many people cheering as there were jeering. You want to give Obamacare to illegals at the cost of us that pay taxes too. If you were footing their bill, you'd think twice.
  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/07 16:14:39 (edited)
    Lee
    More BS?? Is that all you've got?

    I get it . . . You're into mindless rants . . . And you don't know what you're talking about.

    You're a typical Right Winger.
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/08 04:23:34 (edited)
    DavidK
    ROTFL!!!!!! ok Einstein, you seem to know? Why Obama? Why a healthcare plan that will cost so much and little return? You seem to have all the answers since you won't believe the facts in front of you.......I DARE YA yo answer! thought so......
  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/08 15:22:03 (edited)
    Lee
    Why Obama? Because Obama is a Democrat.

    And no Republican President would have considered the Health Care Problem in the Untied States.

    The Democratic Party is pragamtic and responsible.

    The Republican Party is infested with idiotic and myopic ideologues.

    Facts are facts.
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/08 17:32:31 (edited)
    DavidK
    Well now that we know your LIBTARD opinion, lets see those facts! Oh, you can't? Thought so. I DOUBLE DARE YOU!!!! SHOW THOSE FACTS!!!!
  • Lee DavidK 2012/07/08 17:40:40
    Lee
    In which facts are you interested?
  • DavidK Lee 2012/07/08 17:55:20
    DavidK
    "The Democratic Party is pragamtic and responsible. " for starters......
  • Kris 2012/07/02 05:20:33
    Yes
    Kris
    +2
    I cried I was so grateful! :)
  • Chris Kris 2012/07/02 05:37:51 (edited)
    Chris
    +1
    Maybe the problem is people aren't seeing how its helping others... if we had more public service announcements showing the lives, stories, etc... I think more people would support it.
  • john doe Chris 2012/07/02 19:53:57
    john doe
    +2
    It's not meant to help anyone, only the most ruthless socialist leaders have adopted social health care through out history.
  • Ronzo john doe 2012/07/02 23:54:20
    Ronzo
    Right on John doe, I can't believe how so many can be so ignorant to the historical repeated mistakes of the past. I remember in the 1960's Nikita said to JKF, we will bury you and do it without firing a gun. We will destroy you from within. Well we are on the brink of fulfilling this threat, simply because of ignorant, arrogant, lazy self serving jerks that are supporting a Regime/clan intent on changing America to a fascist nation.
  • Chris john doe 2012/07/04 00:16:43 (edited)
    Chris
    +1
    So because Hitler drank milk does that mean we should ban milk?

    What others did in the past is irrelevant... the question is, is universal healthcare good for people or not?
  • john doe Chris 2012/07/04 14:05:35 (edited)
    john doe
    We aren't drinking milk and no one is forcing you to buy it. if the past does not matter then you are lost. What was promised and what was forced on us are not the same.

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