Next, government will tell you, you have to buy this or that, or be$ fined.
I wonder if this really goes into the toilet “financially” will the Democrats, Obama and the White House own up to this screw-up, or just blame Bush again, or Mitt Romney as it was his Massachusetts Governor-Ship health care bill that was used (mostly copied) by the 2009 Democratic controlled congress.
The rest of the PORK in that bill was pure, liberal democratic, Obama radical W.H. socialistic crap.
Added 7-3-2012
Look at these people carrying signs Soda Head has posted here, they say "Protect the Law', yet these same people and liberals will be out in numbers protesting border patrol states that are trying to uphold the law and protest their borders and send illegal’s back to where they came from until they come into the country legally. But we know what that’s all about, right?
All votes get counted if they are Democratic votes.
Do You Agree With the Supreme Court’s Health Care Decision?
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In a surprising 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court voted to uphold President Obama's health care law, commonly referred to as Obamacare. Do you agree with their decision?






















Unfortunately, the perceived meaning of the language has shifted over time, and it didn't take long for statists and slippery lawyers in and outside of the Supreme Court to exploit this and seize any excuse to start expanding the powers of the government. Even the "conservative" judges pervert the meaning of the Constitution to ensure their own political agendas are upheld. This is why, bit by bit, the general thrust of the Supreme Court has been to uphold more and more power grabs as "constitutional."
Regardless of what a bunch of robed despots may say, Obamacare is an unconstitutional abuse of the Commerce Clause, like MOST of the legislation Congress passes. As such, any tax appropri...
Unfortunately, the perceived meaning of the language has shifted over time, and it didn't take long for statists and slippery lawyers in and outside of the Supreme Court to exploit this and seize any excuse to start expanding the powers of the government. Even the "conservative" judges pervert the meaning of the Constitution to ensure their own political agendas are upheld. This is why, bit by bit, the general thrust of the Supreme Court has been to uphold more and more power grabs as "constitutional."
Regardless of what a bunch of robed despots may say, Obamacare is an unconstitutional abuse of the Commerce Clause, like MOST of the legislation Congress passes. As such, any tax appropriated for the purpose of Obamacare is also unconstitutional, because Article I, Section 8 only allows for taxes that exclusively fund the powers enumerated further down. ("General welfare" is not a power in itself but a descriptive preamble to the following enumerated powers. If I were incorrect here and "general welfare" meant the government had carte blanche to do anything it thought was a good idea, the enumerated powers below it never would have needed to be written in the first place. Since they were written, "general welfare" therefore must not mean what the statists say it does...proof by contradiction.)
That's completely aside from the fact that the individual mandate cannot be considered a "tax" at all without grossly distorting and expanding the meaning of the word beyond reason. Notice that duties, imposts, and excises were specifically differentiated from taxes by the Constitution: They are far more similar to taxes than an individual mandate, so considering the Constitution considers them different enough to be separately addressed, it would also consider the mandate to be profoundly different (again, proof by contradiction).
I'm glad the Supreme Court at least recognized that forcing someone to engage in previously nonexistent economic activity (in the general sense) would be a precedent-setting abuse of the Commerce Clause, but being right on a single point isn't enough for me to say they know what they're talking about. It's a crying shame that Andrew Napolitano isn't on the Court, because he's one of the only judges around who consistently treats the Constitution with respect instead of circumventing it with sophisticated but dishonest arguments.
The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.
Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not d...
The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.
Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not declare bankruptcy for them. We garnish wages, and go after personal assets (Including trusts and any personal assets transferred to a relative within the past 10 years). If there are actual consequences to not having insurance, many more people will carry it. Health care like anything else is only as important to one as they make it. If it is not their priority, why should everyone else be punished?
Red Rain, You would think, but unfortunately, the government does NOTHING as efficiently or as effectively as the private sector. Everything the government does skyrockets the price. You will have all union govt employees, birth control and abortion will be covered for political reasons, but the funding will have to come from cancer drugs. The personal decision is gone and only political expediency remains any time the government gets involved. Look how long we have been buying car more C-17's than we need because of all the unions making them. The same will go for health care. Open your eyes and wake up to reality.
ONE of them,, O’Rielly,, actually came out last night and blasted those on the right,, like ME,, who criticized Roberts for his position on this case.. He ACTUALLY said that Roberts was being “Conservative” by NOT striking down the law and he played INTO the LEFT’S redefinition of the term,, “Judicial Activism”..
The SUPREME COURT is there for a reason.. To judge the Constitutionality of the LAW.. It is NO MORE a case of Judicial Activism for that Court to strike DOWN an Unconstitutional law then it is for them to uphold a Constitutional one.. The LEFT would have you believe otherwise.. It’s ONLY “Judicial Activism” when the court upholds a Law passed by Republicans OR is struck down when a law is passed by Democrats..
I have ALWWAYS defined “Judicial Activism” by the SCOTUS in the Simplist’s of terms.. IF the court makes a decision based on how the law stacks up to the Constitution,, then a ruling EITHER way is Judicial Responsibility..
IF the Court compares the law to the Constitution and “Interprets” the Constitution so that IT stacks up to the LAW,, THAT is “ Judicial Activism”..
Roberts went a LONG way to do the latter.. He REDEFINED the term “Tax” to find a...
ONE of them,, O’Rielly,, actually came out last night and blasted those on the right,, like ME,, who criticized Roberts for his position on this case.. He ACTUALLY said that Roberts was being “Conservative” by NOT striking down the law and he played INTO the LEFT’S redefinition of the term,, “Judicial Activism”..
The SUPREME COURT is there for a reason.. To judge the Constitutionality of the LAW.. It is NO MORE a case of Judicial Activism for that Court to strike DOWN an Unconstitutional law then it is for them to uphold a Constitutional one.. The LEFT would have you believe otherwise.. It’s ONLY “Judicial Activism” when the court upholds a Law passed by Republicans OR is struck down when a law is passed by Democrats..
I have ALWWAYS defined “Judicial Activism” by the SCOTUS in the Simplist’s of terms.. IF the court makes a decision based on how the law stacks up to the Constitution,, then a ruling EITHER way is Judicial Responsibility..
IF the Court compares the law to the Constitution and “Interprets” the Constitution so that IT stacks up to the LAW,, THAT is “ Judicial Activism”..
Roberts went a LONG way to do the latter.. He REDEFINED the term “Tax” to find a way to MAKE the Constitution support Obamacare.. To the BEST of my knowledge,, THIS is the FIRST so called tax in ALL of the HISTORY of America where the American People are required,, BY the MANDATE,, to AVOID having to pay..
Are we NOW to pay a “Tax” when we run a red light?? DO we pay a “Tax” now when we are late paying our taxes???
No.. THIS isn’t a tax.. It’s a PENALTY pure and simple..
And I don’t buy into this BS about Roberts being clever and shutting the door on the recent power grabs,, BY the Government,, justified by the Commerce Clause.. THIS ruling had ZERO effect on the Commerce Clause OR the way the Democrats are using it to usurp POWER over the people..
The ONLY thing that Roberts did was to OPEN yet another door to the Government’s CONTINUING campaign to exert totalitarian control over the FREE people of America..
Don’t LIKE it?? TOO damn bad.. Won’t STAND for it??
Pay another TAX…….
if Roberts made THIS ruling because he was worried abut the IMAGE of the Supreme COurt as SOME have suggested then he should NEVER have been put on the COurt and certainly NEVER should have been placed in the lofty position as Chief Justice..
He's NOT there to make UP for the ruling made in 2000.. It's a LEFT WING LIE that there is anything to MAKE up with that ruling anyway..He's NOT there to balance the books..
He's THERE to protect the American People from Unconstitutional LAWS.. If EVRY law was Constitutional JUST because it was passed by COngress,, WHAT need would there even BE for a SCOTUS???
IN the end,, The Court isn't there to LOOK good.. It's NOT there to win a popularity contest..
It's THERE to do the right thing.. The CONSTITUTIONAL thing..
We have some that are doing well that don't want to share.
We all had one of these guys in the sand box as children.
They are still the same children but wear better clothes now.
Do you really support the deaths of 1,000s of people just because 0bozo decided they shouldn't receive the treatment they need to survive?
IS THIS THE AMERICA YOU WANT? IF SO, CHECK ME OUT!
And SO you support the idea that if they don't want to share,, it should be TAKEN from them??
WHere does THAT stop.. No matter WHO you are there are ALWAYS people who don't have as much as YOU do.. Be careful what you WISH for.. You may very well find yourself being victimized by it..
As for Romney's Straight up Income ( like for insy6tance,, his Salary when he was a Governor ).. HE pays a higher tax on EVERY dollar that he doesn't invest then YOU do.. I CANNOT believe that anyone still falls for that BS coming from a TAX CHEAT like Buffet and even names a NEW TAX in his Honor..
TRUELY.. America has suffered a CONSIDERABLE degree of DUMBING Down these last couple of decades..
If you can be taxed into purchasing insurance than you can be taxed into walking to work in the dead of winter, keeping your house at 89 degrees in the summer, lighting your home with candles, eating only vegetables, having only one child, really anything these progressive, Marxist bureaucrats can think of.
The supreme court just put the reigns of this country into the hands of Regulatory Czar, Cass Sunstein. The man behind the curtain. The congress is now irrelevant and no more than a ceremonial post. And the presidency no more than a spokesperson and PR rep for the regulatory department, which is basically what it's been since the day dictator Obama took office. Much like the old Soviet Union.
All hail Obama. Messiah for the week, the stupid, the lazy and the drug addled losers in life.
Roberts should resign....he has destroyed the SCOTUS credibility.
How in the hell can a justice get away with rewriting the law proclaiming it is a tax...a law that did not originate thru proper congressional channels as a tax ?
Anthony Kennedy.... "When Government seeks to use its full power, including the criminal law, to command where a person may get his or her information or what distrusted source he or she may not hear, it uses censorship to control thought.This is unlawful."
He also said, "Political speech must prevail against laws that would suppress it."
The American Civil Liberties Union agreed !
As long as there is full disclosure...U.S. corps pay taxes like the rest of us. Restricting anyone's speech is dangerous.
The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.
Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not d...
The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.
Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not declare bankruptcy for them. We garnish wages, and go after personal assets (Including trusts and any personal assets transferred to a relative within the past 10 years). If there are actual consequences to not having insurance, many more people will carry it. Health care like anything else is only as important to one as they make it. If it is not their priority, why should everyone else be punished?
Red Rain, You would think, but unfortunately, the government does NOTHING as efficiently or as effectively as the private sector. Everything the government does skyrockets the price. You will have all union govt employees, birth control and abortion will be covered for political reasons, but the funding will have to come from cancer drugs. The personal decision is gone and only political expediency remains any time the government gets involved. Look how long we have been buying car more C-17's than we need because of all the unions making them. The same will go for health care. Open your eyes and wake up to reality.
BTW. My kids do have cell phones. That way, if/when something happens to them, they can reach out so that they can be helped. Seems like a smart thing to do. Things have changed. Just look around...