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In a surprising 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court voted to uphold President Obama's health care law, commonly referred to as Obamacare. Do you agree with their decision?

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  • OneLastWord 2012/06/28 20:01:35 (edited)
    No
    OneLastWord
    +40
    Next, government will tell you, you have to buy this or that, or be$ fined.



    I wonder if this really goes into the toilet “financially” will the Democrats, Obama and the White House own up to this screw-up, or just blame Bush again, or Mitt Romney as it was his Massachusetts Governor-Ship health care bill that was used (mostly copied) by the 2009 Democratic controlled congress.



    The rest of the PORK in that bill was pure, liberal democratic, Obama radical W.H. socialistic crap.


    Added 7-3-2012
    Look at these people carrying signs Soda Head has posted here, they say "Protect the Law', yet these same people and liberals will be out in numbers protesting border patrol states that are trying to uphold the law and protest their borders and send illegal’s back to where they came from until they come into the country legally. But we know what that’s all about, right?
    All votes get counted if they are Democratic votes.

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  • findthelight2000 2012/08/03 07:49:25
    Yes
    findthelight2000
    +2
    When it really kicks in, people are going to love it!
  • DANNY59 2012/07/20 11:00:30
    Yes
    DANNY59
    +1
    Having healthcare is one of the MOST important things you can have in life, and if it takes the government to step in to make it happen, I'm all for it. Since my disabling accident occurred in 1993, I have been to more doctors and specialists than I can remember, and if we didn't have medical insurance I would either be dead, or at the very least homeless, which would have ended up leading to an early death anyway. It's like car insurance, you hope you never need it, but your so thankful you do if something bad happens.
  • FeedFwd 2012/07/05 16:04:35
    No
    FeedFwd
    sounds like it was more of a technical decision than anything and I am not a student of law. But it doesn't pass the smell test with me.
  • belle 2012/07/04 13:58:34
    No
    belle
    wgy would I agree to keep Obamacare in effect. It is worthless. It is a new tax, one that should have never xome into esistence. I do all the libs enjoy their new higher inurance rates that will go along with this bill.
  • gregaj7 2012/07/03 19:18:53
    No
    gregaj7
  • Myopinionmatters 2012/07/03 18:44:42
    No
    Myopinionmatters
    Absolutely not! This is the biggest mistake that they have ever made! One, the country cannot afford the act right now, and all it will do is lead to more and more taxes to "recover" the missing funds. It's a slippery slope, and the boulder has been pushed, now the rolling begins.
  • Michael S. 2012/07/03 17:11:42 (edited)
    No
    Michael S.
    No. The Commerce Clause was written to make the federal government the arbiter of trade between the states, to prevent them from establishing trade barriers against each other like tariffs. (As unbelievable as it sounds, interstate tariffs were a serious concern back then: That's how sovereign the individual states were at the time of ratification.) At the time it was written and ratified by the states, the plain meaning of the language did not establish arbitrary regulatory authority over all business that might possibly be considered "interstate," or anything even remotely close to that.

    Unfortunately, the perceived meaning of the language has shifted over time, and it didn't take long for statists and slippery lawyers in and outside of the Supreme Court to exploit this and seize any excuse to start expanding the powers of the government. Even the "conservative" judges pervert the meaning of the Constitution to ensure their own political agendas are upheld. This is why, bit by bit, the general thrust of the Supreme Court has been to uphold more and more power grabs as "constitutional."

    Regardless of what a bunch of robed despots may say, Obamacare is an unconstitutional abuse of the Commerce Clause, like MOST of the legislation Congress passes. As such, any tax appropri...



    No. The Commerce Clause was written to make the federal government the arbiter of trade between the states, to prevent them from establishing trade barriers against each other like tariffs. (As unbelievable as it sounds, interstate tariffs were a serious concern back then: That's how sovereign the individual states were at the time of ratification.) At the time it was written and ratified by the states, the plain meaning of the language did not establish arbitrary regulatory authority over all business that might possibly be considered "interstate," or anything even remotely close to that.

    Unfortunately, the perceived meaning of the language has shifted over time, and it didn't take long for statists and slippery lawyers in and outside of the Supreme Court to exploit this and seize any excuse to start expanding the powers of the government. Even the "conservative" judges pervert the meaning of the Constitution to ensure their own political agendas are upheld. This is why, bit by bit, the general thrust of the Supreme Court has been to uphold more and more power grabs as "constitutional."

    Regardless of what a bunch of robed despots may say, Obamacare is an unconstitutional abuse of the Commerce Clause, like MOST of the legislation Congress passes. As such, any tax appropriated for the purpose of Obamacare is also unconstitutional, because Article I, Section 8 only allows for taxes that exclusively fund the powers enumerated further down. ("General welfare" is not a power in itself but a descriptive preamble to the following enumerated powers. If I were incorrect here and "general welfare" meant the government had carte blanche to do anything it thought was a good idea, the enumerated powers below it never would have needed to be written in the first place. Since they were written, "general welfare" therefore must not mean what the statists say it does...proof by contradiction.)

    That's completely aside from the fact that the individual mandate cannot be considered a "tax" at all without grossly distorting and expanding the meaning of the word beyond reason. Notice that duties, imposts, and excises were specifically differentiated from taxes by the Constitution: They are far more similar to taxes than an individual mandate, so considering the Constitution considers them different enough to be separately addressed, it would also consider the mandate to be profoundly different (again, proof by contradiction).

    I'm glad the Supreme Court at least recognized that forcing someone to engage in previously nonexistent economic activity (in the general sense) would be a precedent-setting abuse of the Commerce Clause, but being right on a single point isn't enough for me to say they know what they're talking about. It's a crying shame that Andrew Napolitano isn't on the Court, because he's one of the only judges around who consistently treats the Constitution with respect instead of circumventing it with sophisticated but dishonest arguments.
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  • I am the Don Dada 2012/07/03 15:08:42
    Yes
    I am the Don Dada
    A conservative judge ruled on the side of the bill based on its constitutionality. The fact that people hate is based on their "feelings" of what the law should be not based on the letter of the law. I think the judges did a great job of examining all angles of the case as they are elected to do. If the ruling went the other way and the mandate was struck down, I'd feel the same way. The rationale for why it was upheld was properly explained. We now have to live with the consequences of their decision.
  • ComeOnNow I am th... 2012/07/03 17:06:49
    ComeOnNow
    +1
    Look, it is clearly not Constitutional as the Constitution was written and Intended. There are CLEAR measures in the constitution to change the constitution, yet our supreme court and legislature show time and time again, that they have no regard for the constitution and violate it every chance they can. Politicians try to change the meaning of words instead of changing the Constitution as is possible and was clearly intended. The ENTIRE purpose of the constitution was to protect us from an overreaching federal government and preserve our freedoms. This health care mandate is a CLEAR violation of the Constitution and our individual rights, not to mention toe rights of the state. We are becoming a country of mob rule and beating up on minorities instead of a country of the individual and cherished individual rights. The premise our entire country was founded on.

    The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.

    Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not d...

    Look, it is clearly not Constitutional as the Constitution was written and Intended. There are CLEAR measures in the constitution to change the constitution, yet our supreme court and legislature show time and time again, that they have no regard for the constitution and violate it every chance they can. Politicians try to change the meaning of words instead of changing the Constitution as is possible and was clearly intended. The ENTIRE purpose of the constitution was to protect us from an overreaching federal government and preserve our freedoms. This health care mandate is a CLEAR violation of the Constitution and our individual rights, not to mention toe rights of the state. We are becoming a country of mob rule and beating up on minorities instead of a country of the individual and cherished individual rights. The premise our entire country was founded on.

    The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.

    Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not declare bankruptcy for them. We garnish wages, and go after personal assets (Including trusts and any personal assets transferred to a relative within the past 10 years). If there are actual consequences to not having insurance, many more people will carry it. Health care like anything else is only as important to one as they make it. If it is not their priority, why should everyone else be punished?

    Red Rain, You would think, but unfortunately, the government does NOTHING as efficiently or as effectively as the private sector. Everything the government does skyrockets the price. You will have all union govt employees, birth control and abortion will be covered for political reasons, but the funding will have to come from cancer drugs. The personal decision is gone and only political expediency remains any time the government gets involved. Look how long we have been buying car more C-17's than we need because of all the unions making them. The same will go for health care. Open your eyes and wake up to reality.
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  • mac9 2012/07/03 14:58:38
    No
    mac9
    +1
    Obama has done nothing for youth or anyone else.
  • Hawkeye 2012/07/03 12:38:40
    No
    Hawkeye
    +1
    No.. I emphatically disagree with the ruling and I particularly disagree with the apologists on the right..

    ONE of them,, O’Rielly,, actually came out last night and blasted those on the right,, like ME,, who criticized Roberts for his position on this case.. He ACTUALLY said that Roberts was being “Conservative” by NOT striking down the law and he played INTO the LEFT’S redefinition of the term,, “Judicial Activism”..

    The SUPREME COURT is there for a reason.. To judge the Constitutionality of the LAW.. It is NO MORE a case of Judicial Activism for that Court to strike DOWN an Unconstitutional law then it is for them to uphold a Constitutional one.. The LEFT would have you believe otherwise.. It’s ONLY “Judicial Activism” when the court upholds a Law passed by Republicans OR is struck down when a law is passed by Democrats..

    I have ALWWAYS defined “Judicial Activism” by the SCOTUS in the Simplist’s of terms.. IF the court makes a decision based on how the law stacks up to the Constitution,, then a ruling EITHER way is Judicial Responsibility..

    IF the Court compares the law to the Constitution and “Interprets” the Constitution so that IT stacks up to the LAW,, THAT is “ Judicial Activism”..

    Roberts went a LONG way to do the latter.. He REDEFINED the term “Tax” to find a...





















    No.. I emphatically disagree with the ruling and I particularly disagree with the apologists on the right..

    ONE of them,, O’Rielly,, actually came out last night and blasted those on the right,, like ME,, who criticized Roberts for his position on this case.. He ACTUALLY said that Roberts was being “Conservative” by NOT striking down the law and he played INTO the LEFT’S redefinition of the term,, “Judicial Activism”..

    The SUPREME COURT is there for a reason.. To judge the Constitutionality of the LAW.. It is NO MORE a case of Judicial Activism for that Court to strike DOWN an Unconstitutional law then it is for them to uphold a Constitutional one.. The LEFT would have you believe otherwise.. It’s ONLY “Judicial Activism” when the court upholds a Law passed by Republicans OR is struck down when a law is passed by Democrats..

    I have ALWWAYS defined “Judicial Activism” by the SCOTUS in the Simplist’s of terms.. IF the court makes a decision based on how the law stacks up to the Constitution,, then a ruling EITHER way is Judicial Responsibility..

    IF the Court compares the law to the Constitution and “Interprets” the Constitution so that IT stacks up to the LAW,, THAT is “ Judicial Activism”..

    Roberts went a LONG way to do the latter.. He REDEFINED the term “Tax” to find a way to MAKE the Constitution support Obamacare.. To the BEST of my knowledge,, THIS is the FIRST so called tax in ALL of the HISTORY of America where the American People are required,, BY the MANDATE,, to AVOID having to pay..

    Are we NOW to pay a “Tax” when we run a red light?? DO we pay a “Tax” now when we are late paying our taxes???

    No.. THIS isn’t a tax.. It’s a PENALTY pure and simple..

    And I don’t buy into this BS about Roberts being clever and shutting the door on the recent power grabs,, BY the Government,, justified by the Commerce Clause.. THIS ruling had ZERO effect on the Commerce Clause OR the way the Democrats are using it to usurp POWER over the people..

    The ONLY thing that Roberts did was to OPEN yet another door to the Government’s CONTINUING campaign to exert totalitarian control over the FREE people of America..

    Don’t LIKE it?? TOO damn bad.. Won’t STAND for it??

    Pay another TAX…….

    if Roberts made THIS ruling because he was worried abut the IMAGE of the Supreme COurt as SOME have suggested then he should NEVER have been put on the COurt and certainly NEVER should have been placed in the lofty position as Chief Justice..

    He's NOT there to make UP for the ruling made in 2000.. It's a LEFT WING LIE that there is anything to MAKE up with that ruling anyway..He's NOT there to balance the books..

    He's THERE to protect the American People from Unconstitutional LAWS.. If EVRY law was Constitutional JUST because it was passed by COngress,, WHAT need would there even BE for a SCOTUS???

    IN the end,, The Court isn't there to LOOK good.. It's NOT there to win a popularity contest..

    It's THERE to do the right thing.. The CONSTITUTIONAL thing..
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  • Hawkeye Hawkeye 2012/07/03 12:43:02
    Hawkeye
    And remember something here.... The SAME people who have been telling you that Obamacare is Constitutional are ALSO telling you that Fast and Furious broke NO LAWS and the resultant deaths on BOTH sides of the border are NO BIG DEAL..
  • WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB 2012/07/03 11:18:31
    No
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +3
    No, nor will I abide by this so called "ruling". Enough is enough.
  • Don Leuty 2012/07/03 09:42:15
    No
    Don Leuty
    52-48. No landslide, but decisive enough.
  • Justin Teufel Hunden 2012/07/03 08:40:58
    No
    Justin Teufel Hunden
    Now, you'll pay more taxes if not insured. Pay more two year retirement plan for Congress...Senate etc. B.S. Crock of manure. Charles Darwin had a theory...let's not support over population. That's the problem... Too many 'girbills in the cage' ... Amplifies greed etc. illegal immigrants receive better health care than veterans. Stating from experience! Fix what's broken before collecting more pay. Pieces of sh!t so called representatives.
  • god son 2012/07/03 06:14:35
    Yes
    god son
    +1
    Yes, I believe the supreme court made the right decision on the law's constitutionality.
  • tiffylani 2012/07/03 05:20:44
    No
    tiffylani
    This is a disaster!
  • Resp 2012/07/03 04:03:21
    No
    Resp
    +3
    I pay for my own health insurance. Government should stay out of healthcare and stop telling me what to buy or pay for.
  • Eric Berger 2012/07/03 01:17:59
    No
    Eric Berger
    +2
    Every law was made just to be smashed to smitherines .... especially this one
  • Barbara Hasler 2012/07/03 00:55:02 (edited)
    Yes
    Barbara Hasler
    Now it gives us a chance to repeal the tax by a Senate vote of 51. Once the tax is repealed the health care mess will dry up from the lack of funding. Also the states can now opt out of the large influx of people that would bankrupt the various states with medicaid. The opinion also stated that no state could be punished by having their current medicaid funds withheld. Although I am disappointed in the opinion I do see some legal work arounds that could dump the issue once and for all.
  • marchantmarchant 2012/07/02 23:20:15
    No
    marchantmarchant
    +3
    What kind of universal healthcare plan is this supposed to be anyway? Last time I checked, the countries where TRUE Universal Healthcare exists, individuals can simply go to a doctor without any form of insurance and their expenses will be covered under the UNIVERSAL PLAN. I never heard of citizens of Canada or England being fined for NOT having a Personally purchased health plan because one is not necessary in either country. What a freaking joke albeit not an amusing one. Bah Humbug Obama! You are almost as much a SCROOGE as Ebenezer! pictures of obama as scrooge
  • Ronzo 2012/07/02 22:54:37 (edited)
    No
    Ronzo
    +1
    Obamacare will be repealed when people wake up to the cost and red tape associated with maintaining the system. Why would anyone not realize that a government run healthcare will be a means to raise tax on you at will, just raise the premium cost monthly/yearly or when ever they choose to increase your taxes. This will happen without congress or we the people giving our ok and support. A socialist run healthcare was setup by the Nazi party, Hitler came to power by way of the deception of the youth. The youth and those who supported this mad man's change paid the ultimate price for electing Hitler and his socialist Markist ideals,with death, destruction and shame. Many of the German youth who supported Hitler perished, were crippled and familys later were filled with shame and remorse for following this radical. This brought to the people destruction of Germany the beloved country. Hilter mocked America and its Bill of Rights and it Constitution, just as our current administration has done and is doing.
  • 2468 2012/07/02 18:03:58
    Yes
    2468
    Some things make sense and taking care of the people is a good thing.

    We have some that are doing well that don't want to share.
    We all had one of these guys in the sand box as children.
    They are still the same children but wear better clothes now.
  • Koma 2468 2012/07/02 20:05:29
    Koma
    0bozo care does NOT pay for dialysis, 1,000s of people with kidney failure will not get the treatment they need to survive.
    Do you really support the deaths of 1,000s of people just because 0bozo decided they shouldn't receive the treatment they need to survive?
  • Lew Ric... Koma 2012/07/03 00:32:03
    Lew Richards
    OBAMA WANTS HIS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SET UP A BOARD TO DECIDE THE TYPE OF CARE, THE COST OF CARE, AND DECIDE IF YOU DESERVE THIS CARE!! THIS "DEATH" PANEL WILL DECIDE BASED ON YOUR AGE, YOUR ABILITY TO PAY, YOUR ABILITY TO DONATE TO HIS POLITICAL PARTY, PLUS OTHER MEANINGLESS QUESTIONS! NOT A FAIR PANEL BY ANY MEANS!
    IS THIS THE AMERICA YOU WANT? IF SO, CHECK ME OUT!
  • Resp Lew Ric... 2012/07/03 04:04:15
    Resp
    +2
    Lew, I could swear that there is something wrong with your Caps-lock key.
  • Hawkeye 2468 2012/07/03 12:53:31
    Hawkeye
    "We have some that are doing well that don't want to share. "

    And SO you support the idea that if they don't want to share,, it should be TAKEN from them??

    WHere does THAT stop.. No matter WHO you are there are ALWAYS people who don't have as much as YOU do.. Be careful what you WISH for.. You may very well find yourself being victimized by it..
  • 2468 Hawkeye 2012/07/09 21:44:19
    2468
    When at the middle level my taxes are nearly double what Romney pays for making millions then there is a fairness issue.
  • Hawkeye 2468 2012/07/09 22:08:43
    Hawkeye
    I can assure you that if you're middle class you're not paying double the taxes that Romney pays.. NOT even CLOSE.. You may pay a higher rate because HE invests his money and the Capital Gains Rate is intented to PROMOTE investment..But even at that lower Capital Gains rate.. Romney pays HUNDREDS of dollars,, perhaps even thousands of dollars in taxes for EVERY ONE OF YOUR'S..

    As for Romney's Straight up Income ( like for insy6tance,, his Salary when he was a Governor ).. HE pays a higher tax on EVERY dollar that he doesn't invest then YOU do.. I CANNOT believe that anyone still falls for that BS coming from a TAX CHEAT like Buffet and even names a NEW TAX in his Honor..

    TRUELY.. America has suffered a CONSIDERABLE degree of DUMBING Down these last couple of decades..
  • politicalsoldier 2012/07/02 17:09:57 (edited)
    No
    politicalsoldier
    +2
    No they just set the presidence for limitless authoritarian rule and tyranny.

    If you can be taxed into purchasing insurance than you can be taxed into walking to work in the dead of winter, keeping your house at 89 degrees in the summer, lighting your home with candles, eating only vegetables, having only one child, really anything these progressive, Marxist bureaucrats can think of.

    The supreme court just put the reigns of this country into the hands of Regulatory Czar, Cass Sunstein. The man behind the curtain. The congress is now irrelevant and no more than a ceremonial post. And the presidency no more than a spokesperson and PR rep for the regulatory department, which is basically what it's been since the day dictator Obama took office. Much like the old Soviet Union.

    All hail Obama. Messiah for the week, the stupid, the lazy and the drug addled losers in life.
  • Lew Ric... politic... 2012/07/03 00:33:13
    Lew Richards
    +1
    you are soooo CORRECT!!
  • cinbadl 2012/07/02 17:04:52
  • Kerri 2012/07/02 16:57:20 (edited)
    No
    Kerri
    +4
    Roberts said it was unconstitutional under the commerce clause. End of story.

    Roberts should resign....he has destroyed the SCOTUS credibility.

    How in the hell can a justice get away with rewriting the law proclaiming it is a tax...a law that did not originate thru proper congressional channels as a tax ?
  • ratman Kerri 2012/07/04 00:01:52
    ratman
    +1
    If you think he should resign because of ACA, then those that voted FOR Citizen's United should also resign. Corporations ARE NOT people. End of story.
  • Kerri ratman 2012/07/09 17:52:28 (edited)
    Kerri
    Roberts exceeded his power...he rewrote the law in order to make it constitutional. As bo himself had repeatedly stated...it is not a tax.

    Anthony Kennedy.... "When Government seeks to use its full power, including the criminal law, to command where a person may get his or her information or what distrusted source he or she may not hear, it uses censorship to control thought.This is unlawful."
    He also said, "Political speech must prevail against laws that would suppress it."

    The American Civil Liberties Union agreed !

    As long as there is full disclosure...U.S. corps pay taxes like the rest of us. Restricting anyone's speech is dangerous.
  • ComeOnNow 2012/07/02 16:33:53
    No
    ComeOnNow
    +3
    Look, it is clearly not Constitutional as the Constitution was written and Intended. There are CLEAR measures in the constitution to change the constitution, yet our supreme court and legislature show time and time again, that they have no regard for the constitution and violate it every chance they can. Politicians try to change the meaning of words instead of changing the Constitution as is possible and was clearly intended. The ENTIRE purpose of the constitution was to protect us from an overreaching federal government and preserve our freedoms. This health care mandate is a CLEAR violation of the Constitution and our individual rights, not to mention toe rights of the state. We are becoming a country of mob rule and beating up on minorities instead of a country of the individual and cherished individual rights. The premise our entire country was founded on.

    The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.

    Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not d...

    Look, it is clearly not Constitutional as the Constitution was written and Intended. There are CLEAR measures in the constitution to change the constitution, yet our supreme court and legislature show time and time again, that they have no regard for the constitution and violate it every chance they can. Politicians try to change the meaning of words instead of changing the Constitution as is possible and was clearly intended. The ENTIRE purpose of the constitution was to protect us from an overreaching federal government and preserve our freedoms. This health care mandate is a CLEAR violation of the Constitution and our individual rights, not to mention toe rights of the state. We are becoming a country of mob rule and beating up on minorities instead of a country of the individual and cherished individual rights. The premise our entire country was founded on.

    The Constitution was written to protect our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Using mob rule to violate the rights of individuals is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. Anyone can have health insurance. Those that do not, CHOOSE not to. I did at 18 with just a HS diploma. It was a priority of mine. Their CHOICE to be irresponsible is not my fault.

    Maybe instead we make health care bills like student loans where they never go away and you can not declare bankruptcy for them. We garnish wages, and go after personal assets (Including trusts and any personal assets transferred to a relative within the past 10 years). If there are actual consequences to not having insurance, many more people will carry it. Health care like anything else is only as important to one as they make it. If it is not their priority, why should everyone else be punished?

    Red Rain, You would think, but unfortunately, the government does NOTHING as efficiently or as effectively as the private sector. Everything the government does skyrockets the price. You will have all union govt employees, birth control and abortion will be covered for political reasons, but the funding will have to come from cancer drugs. The personal decision is gone and only political expediency remains any time the government gets involved. Look how long we have been buying car more C-17's than we need because of all the unions making them. The same will go for health care. Open your eyes and wake up to reality.
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  • Ronzo ComeOnNow 2012/07/02 23:35:02
    Ronzo
    +1
    Ditto, many choose to have cell phones for every family member 7 years olds and up, satellite TV, smoke, drink, drugs, tattoos, buy expensive toys, in other words many waste money and then complain they can't pay for insurance or food shelter and clothing. Then we the tax payer have to subsidize them.
  • ratman Ronzo 2012/07/04 00:04:56
    ratman
    The thing is, we do it now, in higher costs for things that we actually pay for (insurance as a start). If you stepped back even a little bit, you would see that this just levels the playing field. And honestly, if only 1% of the US population pays the "penalty" or "tax", then really, it shouldn't be a bad thing for the rest of us.

    BTW. My kids do have cell phones. That way, if/when something happens to them, they can reach out so that they can be helped. Seems like a smart thing to do. Things have changed. Just look around...
  • Ronzo ratman 2012/07/08 14:49:37 (edited)
    Ronzo
    Yes, things have changed, I can't believe I survived the 1950's to the present day, no one to protect me from sharp toys or bad foods, sugar candy, no Mayor Blumberg or Michelle to force her will on school lunches. Trust me, things are not better for the majority of Americans. We live in a world filled with so many created problems and issues. What we need is a National tax that we all pay on all purchased goods and services and 1% on food, the 1% would help defray the burden on those tax payers paying the bills for almost half our adult work workforce that are on welfare. By the way Americans are wasteful, poor stewards of finances and proper priority's. By the way phones for kids is status of one keeping up with the next door neighbor's, your kids have a cell phone then I got to get my kids one. I have watched liberal socialist ideals slowly erode our school system and it has moved into the bulk of our society and we are going down because people would rather bitch and complain and justify crazy positions on how to fix this screwed up Country and world. I have looked around and I'm sick of what I see, do you remember growing up in the 50's, 60's then you should agree we are not getting better.
  • rivaldruid 2012/07/02 12:38:16
    No
    rivaldruid
    +3
    Is it a tax or a penalty, the supporters of the law say its a penalty(clearly unconstitutional) the Supreme court says its a Tax, it is not the job of the supreme court to define this, Obama ran the law through and presented it as a penalty so the supreme court should have struck it down or Obama/pelosi/McKaskill should admit that it is the largest tax increase on the working class especially the 18 to 30 year old crowd in the history of the USA. Smoke an Mirrors.
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