How often do you want to be complicit in killing another human being?
Since I am committed to Judeo-Christian teachings, I can understand that original sin prompts humans beings to hating and seeking revenge--we call it human nature. Ultimately, a lust to witness harm and even death for our fellow human beings is self-destructive. We find redemption in seeking redemptio--not destruction.
I'm with Scott Turow, actually. If we could actually consistently and fairly make sure we were convicting the right people, then I would be somewhat ok with the death penalty, but because of all of the problems with the system, it seems doing without the death penalty would be cheaper and have less wrongdoing.
Everything I've seen shows that it does not actually deter anyone from committing a crime who wouldn't be deterred by prison anyway.
Your fact is correct regarding failure to deter. Convicting the "right" people is impossible, whatever the crime--especially when the DA enjoys resources to which few of the accused have access. There is no reward to the DA who uses more resources to find one person innocent, but there is abundant reward if his conviction rate (whether the accused is innocent or not) is right at 100%.
The incentive is not for him to find the truth but to find the easiest conviction.
Ideally, that is right. It is as it should be. If our system rewarded prosecutors accordingly, that would be the reality and we would have something approaching a justice system.
Absolutely not. Most of our justice system is based on hurting or killing someone for revenge (calling it "justice" changes nothing). Furthermore, the harm or death we bring about changes nothing for the victims; there is no healthy "closure". Only forgiveness can bring release.
A safer society does not result from enriching private prison systems, locking people up at a cost per inmate of some $40,000 a year, or dehumanizing our fellow human beings (by calling them "dogs", for example). We lock up more people than does China!
And compare our image of what we want our country to be with the injustice practiced in countries where people are executed sometimes at the whim of the system.
In my Judeo-Christian belief, none of us is worthy of bringing harm to another of us.
Our prisons are schools for recidivism, hardened criminals, and violence. We could learn much from countries where the incarceration rate is much less and the rehabilitation rate is much greater.
Yes Of Coarse, Criminals are people too, Right? The Norway Killer, Anders Breivik will serve out his years in a three-room cell with a TV, exercise room, and "Ikea-style furniture and 17 Staffers to watch over him in a brand new facility built strictly for and only for Breivik. That 'restorative Justice' is going to be expensive, even though he will likely NEVER be freed.
Two things: to your first question, yes, right. Absolutely.
To your cost of restorative justice, or rehabilitation, the cost is much less that perpetuating and aggravating the social afflictions of recidivism and increased violence.
Murderers, rapists and child molesters are no better than rabid dogs, and we shoot rabid dogs. It isn't about revenge or punishment, it's about making society safer.
A safer society does not result from enriching private prison systems, locking people up at a cost per inmate of some $40,000 a year, or dehumanizing our fellow human beings (by calling them "dogs", for example). We lock up more people than does China!
In my Judeo-Christian belief, none of us is worthy of bringing harm to another of us.
Our prisons are schools for recidivism, hardened criminals, and violence. We could learn much from countries where the incarceration rate is much less and the rehabilitation rate is much greater.
In China they just shoot them in the back of the head and charge the family for the cost of the bullet. In Oregon we do not have any inmates, they are clients.
If that were true(in Orgegon), why would you not wish to be imprisoned? False claims, even when passed off as hyperbole, contribute nothing to informed discourse.
They dehumanize themselves when they kill others, rape and molest children; I didn't call them dogs, I said they are no better than rabid dogs. There are many things people shouldn't be arrested for, let alone locked up (marijuana use, prostitution, to name two) and I don't believe in locking up the dregs of society either, it isn't fair to society.
As far as your Judeo-Christian belief, the most horrible atrocities in history were committed in the name of religion, and you can claim they don't truly represent your faith all you want, but it's there and it's consistent and it's enough to turn me off religion, especially when coupled with the constant power plays and corruption that have plauged every organized religion since the written word.
...and let's reserve the most barbaric punishments for politicians. I'm thinking Medieval-type punishments such as The Rack, The Iron Maiden, Drawing and Quartering, Breaking on the Wheel and Burning at the Stake!
Fortunately Dr. Harold Shipman is dead, he committed suicide in gaol.
Since I am committed to Judeo-Christian teachings, I can understand that original sin prompts humans beings to hating and seeking revenge--we call it human nature. Ultimately, a lust to witness harm and even death for our fellow human beings is self-destructive. We find redemption in seeking redemptio--not destruction.
Everything I've seen shows that it does not actually deter anyone from committing a crime who wouldn't be deterred by prison anyway.
The incentive is not for him to find the truth but to find the easiest conviction.
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A safer society does not result from enriching private prison systems, locking people up at a cost per inmate of some $40,000 a year, or dehumanizing our fellow human beings (by calling them "dogs", for example). We lock up more people than does China!
And compare our image of what we want our country to be with the injustice practiced in countries where people are executed sometimes at the whim of the system.
In my Judeo-Christian belief, none of us is worthy of bringing harm to another of us.
Our prisons are schools for recidivism, hardened criminals, and violence. We could learn much from countries where the incarceration rate is much less and the rehabilitation rate is much greater.
The Norway Killer, Anders Breivik will serve out his years in a three-room cell with a TV, exercise room, and "Ikea-style furniture and 17 Staffers to watch over him in a brand new facility built strictly for and only for Breivik.
That 'restorative Justice' is going to be expensive, even though he will likely NEVER be freed.
To your cost of restorative justice, or rehabilitation, the cost is much less that perpetuating and aggravating the social afflictions of recidivism and increased violence.
1.You don't recognize Sarcasm, I.E. Breivik deserving any thing other than death.
2. A rope or bullet cost even less.
In my Judeo-Christian belief, none of us is worthy of bringing harm to another of us.
Our prisons are schools for recidivism, hardened criminals, and violence. We could learn much from countries where the incarceration rate is much less and the rehabilitation rate is much greater.
In Oregon we do not have any inmates, they are clients.
As far as your Judeo-Christian belief, the most horrible atrocities in history were committed in the name of religion, and you can claim they don't truly represent your faith all you want, but it's there and it's consistent and it's enough to turn me off religion, especially when coupled with the constant power plays and corruption that have plauged every organized religion since the written word.