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BLOCKING: How do you know your view is correct, if it is the only one you allow yourself to see?

Daring Blasphemer BN-0 2011/02/20 15:44:05
Why are you here? Why did you sign up to debate on an opinion site? My guess, from my own reasons and the many people I have met here since I started a little over a year ago. It is my opinion that we are all talkers with interests that are not interesting to those around us. I, for instance, read history, religion and politics almost exclusively. Things you are not allowed to discuss in a work environment, because everyone else IS WRONG!

This raises the problem of boring my friends and family with my conversation about East Timor. It is a passion for me and a snoozer for them. A friend at work suggested I blog. I am computer savvy but I had ignored the social sites on the internet, because I have no interest in finding my classmates or commenting the pictures of other peoples inferior children. My children are so great, I am just saddened by the bridge trolls in the basinets of other families. Where do they get the billy goats to satiate the appetites of such vermin.

I came here to Sodahead to debate issues and to discuss what is happening in the world. That may have been my first mistake. I welcome all opinions and try to keep my cool. I write nearly every blog I have posted and invite as many differing views as I can.

My one contention is this obsession with the block 'feature' on this site. I see no reason for blocking. Blocking is being used as a cowards way of avoiding opinions he/she finds disturbing to his/her current beliefs. If you want an echo chamber, go and stand in front of the mirror in your bathroom and talk until your weak-minded heart finds contentment. If another SH is posting untruth or an opinion you disagree with, DEBATE it with them. Many just block opinions that differ from their own. Others block when they are losing a debate, usually after an underhanded parting shot. If you are losing a debate, admit defeat, learn from it and move on. None of us know everything, none of us are as smart as we think we are (except me, of course). Why is it so hard to admit we are wrong about some crap we posted on the internet? Grow up! I have never and will never block anyone for any reason, though I do admit that there are reasonable exceptions for others, but it is not for me. You have every right to block whomever you choose, I only wish to understand why you are here.

There is a movement on SH right now to weaken the block feature. A reasonable plan to make blocking less desirable. You can find out more here:
http://www.sodahead.com/fun/sh-not-listening-please-help/ques...
The fact that blocking is biasing polls that are then the defacto view of Sodahead is wrong.
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  • Ves~Sailor Soldier of PHAET 2011/02/20 18:40:14
    Ves~Sailor Soldier of PHAET
    +26
    Here because I can be. Signed up because I felt like it. 1. Just because this is an opinion website doesn't mean I have to listen to EVERYONE. 2. I am allowed to block who I want. 3. People who I block deserved it. 4. Millions of people have different views, God forbid I have 10,15,20 people blocked out of a MILLION(s). Like there isn't enough opposing opinions to make up for those people who have been blocked. As you can tell you can obviously get your opinion around.

    If you haven't blocked a person it doesn't make you better than anyone else, just different. If you can't answer a poll because your blocked and you think your one measly vote matters on a website (chuckles) ask the question yourself and send it to all your SH's for everyone else to answer (problem solved).

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  • Daring ... BrianD3 2011/03/07 05:22:22
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    I am a friend of CC as well and am far from thin skinned. I am sure we share a few thinskins, but as I am an equal opportunity offender, I am weeding mine out.
  • Brian Kemp (oYo) 2011/02/21 19:56:58
    Brian Kemp (oYo)
    +4
    I can't stand blocking. If it's really bad, it's a violation of the TOS and the offender should be gone. If it's not bad enough to get you booted, it's not bad enough, in my opinion, to be blocked over. At that point, people are just blocking because it's easier than defending their beliefs from honest debate (or just walking away, which a lot of people don't seem to realize is an option).
  • Daring ... Brian K... 2011/03/07 05:25:16
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +1
    Exactly true. I have just witness you in such a debate. You are true blue, my friend.
  • Brian K... Daring ... 2011/03/07 14:38:24
    Brian Kemp (oYo)
    Thanks, man. I wound up needing to walk away. It got to the point where it was just running around in circles with no possible chance at even an "agree to disagree" outcome.
  • KY REDNECK 2011/02/21 19:56:36
    KY REDNECK
    +6
    I haven't blocked anyone I like a little argument here and there it is all in good fun
  • Colbert KY REDNECK 2011/02/21 21:50:39
    Colbert
    +3
    I didn't block when I originally started here, but after getting into a couple of heated debates with people who were resorting to namecalling, I found myself temporarily banned for retaliating.

    Now, I don't let anyone endanger my time here, so when I see someone call me names, I just block them and move on. There are a lot of people in the world, and there are a lot of people on this website, so don't feel encumbered by having to let yourself be stalked by someone who is not here to discuss with you in a reasonable way.
  • KY REDNECK Colbert 2011/02/22 00:14:53
    KY REDNECK
    +2
    well thanks for the asvice
  • enlightened one 2011/02/21 19:34:19
    enlightened one
    +4
    Although I have been blocked a few times, I got the hint. But I have to agree that others' opinions should be allowed. I have never blocked anyone.
  • Daring ... enlight... 2011/03/07 05:26:29
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +1
    That is how you will remain enlightened.
  • Wackyweirdochic 2011/02/21 19:06:37
    Wackyweirdochic
    +3
    I never used the blocking thing.
    And I'd be purely delighted if Im blocked because I do no wrong on here but state my opinion :)
    I approve of hatemail;hateclubs.
    Dont ask me why :)
    I just find it so hilarious when Im hated online because for one, its useless!!!!Why hate someone you've never met?And I bet if we were face-to-face in real life, you wouldnt be saying the trash you're saying online :)))<3
    It shows how intimidated you are to insult someone online to make them feel even less than they are :D
    I have been cyber-bullied back to back and it continues xD
    *eats popcorn*
    I get these so-called threats from time to time.
    *enjoys the show*
    I try to keep my cool when Im provoked.
    I have been called some of the most ignorant names in the book because someone particularly disagrees with MY opinion/view upon certain subjects.
    So just because I have a different perspective, that makes me STUPID?
    I'll admit I have lost some battles because either someone else has intervened into the argument or I was lost at another defensive retort.
    But anyways I was always with my opinion 100% no matter if I lost the argument or not.
    That is all I have to say :3
  • Prometheus~phaet~ 2011/02/21 17:51:27
  • Allbiz - PWCM - JLA 2011/02/21 17:32:19
    Allbiz - PWCM - JLA
    +5
    Good comment. I agree with you 101%
  • herb 2011/02/21 17:30:12
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  • Foxhoun... herb 2011/03/06 23:22:31
    Foxhound BN0
    +1
    Oh! So THAT's the force! I never thought it would come in a can!
  • littlebuffalo55TBA 2011/02/21 16:26:54
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +4
    Excellent view of this site and on many of those who may not understand what the real theme here should be!

    I have blocked no-one! Funny, as just yesterday something I posted was misread and it was partly my error. Before I could correct it, a person that's actually on my friends list made outlandish comments. At the same time others who know me raved the statement grasping my intended idea. I calmly explained the potential mis-understanding even as the creator of the poll question made a comment making me more aware that my wording was not clear. Sheesh... Daring B. don't put a move forward to get rid of the edit feature or I'll be screwed!

    Even after I explained & edited the comment this person persisted. I was told I had called them a liar (that did not happen!) and was called a term that does not fit my political leanings some other vile terms and an abuser of TOS. This is all from a person who was on my friends list and regularly raves comments I make.

    It was at this point I realized this was not about what I had said or my admission of wording causing the potential problem. It was, for that person about winning! A sidenote is that the creator of the poll saw the attempt I made to correct it and graciously accepted my thought after the change. The former friend blocked.

    Sad really!
  • bacon bits littleb... 2011/02/21 16:37:28
    bacon bits
    +5
    Wow...that is sad LB...
  • littleb... bacon bits 2011/02/21 16:48:31
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +3
    :Lol....Oh look I made sense! ;-)
  • bacon bits littleb... 2011/02/21 16:51:12
    bacon bits
    +2
    Yes you did!
  • littleb... bacon bits 2011/02/21 16:53:24
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +2
    Eureka!!!
  • hazel littleb... 2011/02/21 17:02:48
    hazel
    +4
    SAD BUT TRUE EGO IS A STINKY THING TO HAVE WAY TO MUCH OF
  • littleb... hazel 2011/02/21 17:05:19
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +3
    I agree, to much & it gets ripe in a hurry!
  • debadow littleb... 2011/03/08 19:58:36
    debadow
    +1
    People should get some common sense.
  • Elleryqueen 2011/02/21 16:26:15
    Elleryqueen
    +1
    I am here to debate various issues, not block differing points of view. I try to refrain from name calling, which isn't easy in some instances. I also realize that my opinion may not be agreeable to some, but then that is the sole purpose of this site and if not, it should be.

    I have been called various names as I'm sure most on here have. Don't appreciate being called repug, et al, however; I figure that if someone has to stoop to name calling that it puts me a step above them. On some occasions I have responded in kind, but trying very hard not to do so because it then puts me a step below them.
  • scbluesman13 2011/02/21 16:15:58
    scbluesman13
    +5
    I generally get blocked en masse. When I first started getting more involved in thread debates here (instead of just answering questions lightly and leaving to another post) there were always the same 4 or 5 folks arguing with me. As soon as one of them blocked me (presumably because they were upset that they couldn't convince me that all liberals were evil and poor people were lazy) the other 4 blocked me right away. The next day I come to find out that 8 others had blocked me - and these were people I had never conversed with. Kinda silly and infantile if you ask me.

    But I think there's a difference to be made between blocking someone from contacting you personally, and blocking someone from contributing to your post. I can understand if you don't want someone spewing comments on your profile, or sending you emails, but if you publish content on this site, I don't believe the one on one block should ever prevent you from posting to a published opinion/topic. If someone wants to put their opinions in a topic and broadcast it publicly, then anyone - blocked or not - should have the opportunity to comment on it.

    I think Sodahead staff needs to be a little more sophisticated in that distinction.
  • chaoskitty123 2011/02/21 16:07:28
    chaoskitty123
    +3
    The reason they block is pretty much as you state... toss in infantile mentality and you have many of them pegged perfectly.

    The move to remove or weaken the block feature has been going on for a while and the SH team won't listen. It's like the Leaderboard and Level garbage they started... kid stuff and already people are proving exactly what I said would happen is happening. I have been receiving the same topic notifications by the same people repeatedly to the point I'm seriously thinking about blocking Sodahead from sending me emails by marking this site as spam. They don't care.

    Look, you want to stop the blocking feature from being abused then limit blocking to five people and anyone else after that you have to report directly to the team and prove you have reason for blocking them like harassment.

    I engage people all the time and I do it in many ways. For some, I go for the jugular simply because I know these people well enough to know they are lying or you just can't get through to them being polite. The one thing I hate most is a hypocrite with liars being next and having a closed mind would come next. Some people pursue an agenda where their view always has to prevail and they won't listen to anyone else.

    Over the past two years, I have been pushed from the poli...









    The reason they block is pretty much as you state... toss in infantile mentality and you have many of them pegged perfectly.

    The move to remove or weaken the block feature has been going on for a while and the SH team won't listen. It's like the Leaderboard and Level garbage they started... kid stuff and already people are proving exactly what I said would happen is happening. I have been receiving the same topic notifications by the same people repeatedly to the point I'm seriously thinking about blocking Sodahead from sending me emails by marking this site as spam. They don't care.

    Look, you want to stop the blocking feature from being abused then limit blocking to five people and anyone else after that you have to report directly to the team and prove you have reason for blocking them like harassment.

    I engage people all the time and I do it in many ways. For some, I go for the jugular simply because I know these people well enough to know they are lying or you just can't get through to them being polite. The one thing I hate most is a hypocrite with liars being next and having a closed mind would come next. Some people pursue an agenda where their view always has to prevail and they won't listen to anyone else.

    Over the past two years, I have been pushed from the political left to the political right but always keep my feet firmly in the center. However, the political left has become everything they claim the political right is leading to self destructive behavior. Liberal Democrats forgot that half their party are Conservatives so in attacking Conservatives, they split their party against itself. By putting all their focus on Obama, they stopped focusing on their party as a whole so that during the November elections, they wasted all their time attacking Republicans and the Tea Party because of their resentment and anger at how they treated Obama... they are the opposition and this is what the opposition is supposed to do. In fact, had the Democrats opposed the Republicans more during the Bush Administration, they could have stopped most of the things they attack them for during his administration. Instead, people like Obama never once opposed Bush... NOT ONCE and yet Obama is exempted and Bush gets all the blame when in truth, Obama is a Bush Democrat who supported him when almost the entire Democratic Party was in opposition and he voted for Bush more than the Republicans did. While they should have been promoting their own candidates leading up to the November elections, they wasted all their time on the attack against the right and all that effort they put into getting Christine O'Donnell defeated in an election she had already lost the moment she won the Republican nomination represents how blind they had become.

    You and I once had a debate about the Neoconservatives as I define them as rightwing Liberals because throughout their history at every point, their political ideology and it's adherents have been called Liberals. Since that time, many others have provided me with additional information about this and about other members of the Neoconservatives who called themselves Liberals even after they switched parties to become Republicans where, until the 1980's, many Neocons had no problem telling you they were Liberals. However, as the two parties became more polarized and Liberal became a dirty word in the Republican Party... they stopped calling themselves Liberals and even stopped calling themselves Neocons as that's what other people call them and it's why most Conservative Republicans actually don't know what a Neocon is or if they are one. In the same way, Socialists infiltrated the Democratic Party as their own parties one by one became defunct and at first called themselves Socialists, then they stopped because being a Socialist became a dirty word and instead began calling themselves Liberals. Even into the 90's and up to today, most Liberals deny they are Socialists in the Democratic Party when the split between the Neocons and Liberals inherently did create a left vs right among Liberals that ultimately led to the counter culture and the Neocons switching parties. before the Neocons switched sides, Liberals could say they were not Socialists because the Neocons continued calling themselves Liberals... but when they switched parties, the Socialist infiltration of the leftwing Liberals became undeniable. Progressives were also rightwing and leftwing as you couldn't call Teddy Roosevelt a leftwing Progressive although he was definately a Progressive... a rightwing Progressive and they're a totally different breed. Leftwing Progressives have a huge problem in that they cannot and will not admit they make mistakes, they want change for the sake of change and when things go wrong... they just walk away and deny knowing anything about it... rightwing Progressives were Conservative light essentially and were Social Conservatives for the most part who used government where it was needed to create progress but then removed government when they achieved their goals and they supported charity over welfare. But as Neocons switched sides, Progressive Republicans were the first group to go and you can actually look back at that time to see them becoming Conservative Democrats... the Rockefellers are one of many families who made this changeover.

    You and I can debate over issues like this and I have enjoyed our debates because the issue is to discuss and learn which you cannot do if you block people because their views differ from your own.

    I have three people blocked... one who is a black racist who attacked me in my own group who likes to blindside people, another who misunderstood that my opposition to both sides at times means I'm an anarchist like him so he went nuts on me when he realized I wasn't an anarchist and the third I have completely forgotten why I blocked them but if I remember we were both blocked from talking to one another by Sodahead lol.

    The rightwingers who have blocked me on this site are generally haters even other rightwingers have gone after and the majority of people who have me blocked are leftwingers because of the reasons you state. A few of them I have even told to simply stop replying to me and I'll stop replying to them but they want the last word and the last word is always jabbing me with a sharp stick... and if you poke a tiger with a sharp stick while locked in a cage with them, well that's not exactly the smartest thing to do lol.

    But DB... Sodahead will not listen and too many people feel they are entitled to block anyone they don't like which in turn means they can block hundreds of people... some even brag about that.
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  • Tucker 2011/02/21 15:58:52
    Tucker
    +2
    All I have to say about this
  • sheratan 2011/02/21 15:51:17
    sheratan
    +6
    I consider blocking a person as a personal defeat. This is why I never block anyone.
  • Asa Ramasun 2011/02/21 15:41:26
    Asa Ramasun
    +2
    I don't understand why anyone would sign up for a site like this, and then block those with differing opinions, regardless of how "offended" they get. It's very frustrating and immature. I have been blocked by people with whom I have never had a singe discussion. I don't understand it! It makes me question the real usefulness and validity of this site in general.
  • hazel Asa Ram... 2011/02/21 17:05:21
    hazel
    +4
    DONT FORGET WE ARE DEALING WITH HUMANS THAT ARE VERY IN NEED TO CONTROL....That happens where ever you go
  • Asa Ram... hazel 2011/02/21 20:23:21
    Asa Ramasun
    +4
    I have had profiles on several other sites, and this is the only place I've been blocked by people who have never interacted with me. I have never been blocked on any other site, for any reason. I think this site in unique in that respect.

    On another thread I suggested that maybe blocks should be limited to 10, or something like that. If anyone feels the need to have 100 people blocked then there has to be a total unwillingness to debate to any degree, and maybe that person's account should be closed, like their mind's are.
  • hazel Asa Ram... 2011/02/21 20:59:37
    hazel
    +2
    I like that idea
  • Lily 2011/02/21 15:17:45
    Lily
    +5
    Kudos! I have asked this question myself and then...after a scotch, joint and carnal acts of a biblical nature, forgot about it. =)
  • STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL 2011/02/21 14:52:33
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +4
    This is a very tough question. I think SH's TOS criteria are reasonable, and blocking people who frequently violate categories of TOS that really bother a person is not wrong. The problem is that some people block for the simple reason that a responder disagrees with their opinion. This is pointless in a blogging site, since as you point out, the whole purpose of a blogging site is to debate. People who are too thin skinned for open debate really shouldn't join blogs.

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