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  • geegee 2012/07/07 12:32:27
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    No we're not over it. Zimmerman had no business chasing that kid. The police told him to let them take care of it. Then he shot the guy and killed him ! Race has nothing to do with my take on it. Zimmerman should not have taken matters into his hands. I blame him for what happened !!

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  • Prime Time Lime 2013/01/28 05:09:24
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    We are still waiting for the long sentence Zimmerman is likely to receive for his antics.
  • Eddie_says_OrlyTaitez_is_nutz 2013/01/28 04:06:29
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    Eddie_says_OrlyTaitez_is_nutz
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    Not over until there is a verdict.
    He is still free... but I beleive George Zimmerman is guilt of stalking and killing a kid.
    Jail time for a lair. And for Zimmerman - PRISON TIME.
  • Higgins 2013/01/28 03:50:58
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    Higgins
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    It no over...
    (http://articles.orlandosenti...

    Part of the fade out had to do alot with what major media feels is worth reporting. They are like a football "fan" who only gets excited and watches when its the Super Bowl. If its not a big deal or a hot button issue (throat clear- Race!) then you wont see them report it.
  • ghostrider 2013/01/28 03:21:21
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    We're far from 'over it' ... hasn't even gone to court yet.
  • PoliticallyIncorrect 2012/12/29 10:22:34
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    I don't think they've even been to court yet, have they? For as much crap as the liberal media could stir up about it, I can't believe they haven't said anything if it's over.
  • Morgan 2012/12/29 07:17:54
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    We are?
  • nothingbutthetruth 2012/12/02 07:10:51
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    nothingbutthetruth
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    Just let the judge pass the verdict and let all the racism over this horrifying tragedy put to rest.
  • albert 2012/11/26 07:22:39
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    I m glad it s over.
  • Mary Mary 2012/11/26 02:20:30
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    +8
    This guy would have been charged with murder here. We were all gobsmacked to find out he wasn't ever drug or alcohol tested.
  • nothing... Mary Mary 2012/12/02 07:14:00
    nothingbutthetruth
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    I don't even know how the case ended. What happen? They didn't charge Zimmerman? That would be a lot racist if they didn't charge him for taking somebody else live. That won't be fair at all!
  • Chiron8839 nothing... 2012/12/02 20:41:41
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    Zimmerman was finally charged with second degree murder after 45 days. And Mary, I agree. The police were idiotic for not doing a toxicology screen on Zimmerman, particularly in light of the fact that he was taking prescribed Adderall at the time (10 mg dextro-amphetamine, 10 mg amphetamine sulfate), which can produce obsessive-compulsive and psychotic states. Nobody should be carrying a handgun in public in that condition. That might also explain his verbosity on the phone with the 911 operator.
  • 2789847 Chiron8839 2012/12/03 01:20:31
  • Chiron8839 2789847 2012/12/03 01:28:29
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    Prescription. He had one for a benzodiazepine (minor tranquilizer) too, but I forget which one.
  • nothing... Chiron8839 2012/12/26 05:24:37
    nothingbutthetruth
    +1
    No wonder his family went in hiding after the incident.
  • nothing... 2789847 2012/12/26 05:23:38
    nothingbutthetruth
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    That's a good question.
  • drdos1943 Chiron8839 2012/12/03 09:52:21 (edited)
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    If what you write is true, i.e., that Zimmerman was taking prescription drugs that could or did alter his behavior, we may have another botched prosecution case on our hands. No one should be carrying a firearm under those conditions. The only one who knows what occurred that night is Zimmerman; and at this point, although the prosecution has the weapon that led to Martin's death, the prosecution has no "smoking gun." I believe that with all the evidence we have at our disposal now, the most a jury will convict Zimmerman of is manslaughter.
  • Chiron8839 drdos1943 2012/12/03 10:04:23
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    It was actually botched by the police, when they failed to do a toxicology screen on Zimmerman. If he weren't so hellbent on thinking he could manipulate the outcome of the case by talking his way out of it (which he commenced before he even did it, with the 911 operator, and hasn't stopped since) and completely ignoring his Miranda protections, he might have mounted a defense of not guilty by reason of involuntary intoxication. But that appears to be water under the bridge, now.

    As for the smoking gun, I don't think they need one to get a conviction. There's no question as to who shot whom. The only question now is whether Zimmerman provoked it, or Martin did. Zimmerman has an uphill battle there, because following someone, profiling them to police, then crying foul when he gets caught in his little bit of unsanctioned detective work kind of indicates that nothing would have happened if Zimmerman hadn't been obsessed with the kid, who, at the end of the day, had committed no crimes, and was simply going to and from a convenience store from his father's girlfriend's place.
  • BoomLover Chiron8839 2012/12/04 07:19:11
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    And, at the end of the day, Trayvon STILL had the chance to walk away, and he would be alive today if he had. He was the one who chose to come back and attack Mr. Zimmerman, and that was too bad for him, because he picked the wrong guy to try to beat up. Look at the pics on Huffington Post of the damage to Mr. Zimmerman's face...let alone having his head smashed into the pavement under him...I'd have shot too, in a case like that...pure Self Defense...
  • Chiron8839 BoomLover 2012/12/04 08:43:01
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    Pure wishful thinking on your part. Your swarthy, chubby little vigilante is going to get 25-life.
  • BoomLover Chiron8839 2012/12/06 03:41:24
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    And you KNOW that how? With prejudiced thinking like that, I'd go for a change of venue...to try to ensure an IMPARTIAL jury..I think that is your wishful thinking, 25 to life...
  • Chiron8839 BoomLover 2012/12/06 08:07:06
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    Of course no one knows for certain what the outcome will be. Consider my speculations an educated opinion.

    As for the change of venue, I don't think it would make any difference. The case has gotten national attention. Zimmerman can't really complain too much about it anyway. He's called his own share of attention to the matter with his fund-soliciting website (from which he also issues de facto press releases), the Hannity interview, and other contacts with the media wherein he essentially threw his Miranda rights in the trash.
  • drdos1943 Chiron8839 2012/12/06 06:40:12 (edited)
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    The way this case has been botched both by the police and the prosecution, the most Zimmerman can get is manslaughter (maximum 20-25 years with much evidence), if he even gets that. All the physical evidence sides with Zimmerman and there is no one to testify against him. What's more, if MSNBC's altering of Zimmerman's 911 call can be introduced as influential evidence (not likely, but just about everyone knows about it), Zimmerman might just get a slap on the wrist.

    All we have is Zimmerman's story... and so far, there is nothing (not even forensics) to prove him wrong in a court of law.
  • Chiron8839 drdos1943 2012/12/06 08:18:49
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    The MSNBC edited tape will be viewed by a court as having no impact on the state's ability to provide a fair trial. It wasn't an act by the state, or by anyone with a vested interest in the case. And the jury will surely receive a copy of the 911 call transcript, as well as hear a recording of it.

    The greatest problem Zimmerman will have at trial is the number of prior inconsistent statements he's publicly made about the case. He foolishly disregarded his Miranda rights by granting interviews and trying to talk his way out of the case in the court of public opinion. The harder he tries, the deeper the hole he digs for himself. That, combined with the harm he did to his credibility in colluding with his wife to deceive the court at the bond hearing, has weakened his position considerably.
  • drdos1943 Chiron8839 2012/12/06 20:35:03
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    The jury is not supposed to take Zimmerman's former statements, lying about his financial condition, nor the media's bias into consideration. However, I'm sure that they will. Only the brain-dead do not know about this case.
  • Chiron8839 drdos1943 2012/12/06 21:30:25
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    It will harm him first at the SYG hearing in April, where weighing the credibility of witnesses is the sole province of the judge. There's a long-standing doctrine of law that holds that judges may take into consideration any prior statements of the defendant, particularly those made under oath. Since his is the only testimony that might exonerate him at that stage, I think he's done irreparable harm.

    Then at the trial, there's nothing to prevent the state from using prior inconsistent statements to impeach Zimmerman. There are videotapes by police and media outlets, as well as the 911 tapes, all of which can be introduced as evidence of inconsistency.
  • Tarheel Chiron8839 2012/12/29 07:35:26
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    I can't imagine his saying that it was God's Will, can help him either. Also, what about the lack of blood on him as shown on the videos when he was at the police station?
  • Chiron8839 Tarheel 2012/12/29 09:05:19
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    I've never seen a murder defendant more wrongheadedly hellbent on suicide than George Zimmerman. Ignoring his Miranda rights was the stupidest thing he could have done.
  • Tarheel Chiron8839 2012/12/29 17:40:11
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    But I'm glad he's that stupid. He's just digging his own grave (figuratively speaking).
  • Chiron8839 Tarheel 2012/12/30 15:14:52
    Chiron8839
    +2
    Exactly.
  • BoomLover drdos1943 2012/12/06 20:23:24
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    Well stated...
  • drdos1943 Chiron8839 2012/12/04 14:14:16
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    Thank you for the correction. The prosecution has not "botched" the case... at least not yet. The police have.
  • Chiron8839 drdos1943 2012/12/04 20:39:37
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    I think the ineptitude of the police, as well as the prosecutor's failure to file charges, is what started the whole public hue and cry over the case in the first place. IIRC, that county has a bad record over several generations of failing to prosecute, or adequately prosecute, white on black crimes. I don't know that race was a factor in this case, but one can understand why some observers would view it with suspicion.
  • drdos1943 Chiron8839 2012/12/05 01:41:22
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    We shall see what occurs. Good Speed.
  • Chiron8839 drdos1943 2012/12/05 05:17:49
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    Likewise, Dr. Dos.
  • nothing... drdos1943 2012/12/26 05:25:03
  • nothing... Chiron8839 2012/12/26 05:23:06
    nothingbutthetruth
    +2
    Oh, really! And all the time they are coming with all these stupid excuses for him to go free. Trying to blame it on Trevor. Hmmmmm.
  • drdos1943 nothing... 2012/12/26 11:10:29 (edited)
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    It is beginning to appear, with new tapes being shown of Zimmerman's wounds during his police questioning, that his testimony at a trial may have some more credibility to a jury than previously displayed in the media's reporting.

    Right now, I am not blaming anything on anyone... and neither should you.
  • nothing... drdos1943 2013/01/06 08:04:33
    nothingbutthetruth
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    Hmmmmm, if you are not blaming anyone, then why do you think I am? Check out your comment and then read mine over again and then answer my question! And if you can't come up with a good explanation, then please save me the energy, please do not reply!
  • drdos1943 nothing... 2013/01/06 08:44:13
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    No one can come up with an explanation... only an assumption. No jury can judge on an assumption. They can come to a conclusion from the known facts presented in the case at the trial, that conclusion being correct or wrong... and right now it appears to me that Zimmerman will be exonerated due to the facts we have now, that is, if those facts are accurate.
  • nothing... drdos1943 2013/01/10 07:02:28
    nothingbutthetruth
    +2
    Always remember there is a God looking down on any unfair justice. And justice will be pay somehow, someday!
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