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Are all pictures of child nudity child porn?

Dave The Canuck 2012/06/10 07:22:33
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On March 26, I asked the question, "is all nudity porn?" on sodahead. One respondent answered 'no' but wrote, "In the US, child nudity is porn." Therefore, I thought I would ask a more specific version of the question. If a picture shows a child naked, do you feel that it is automatically child porn, regardless of intent or context? (I did not add a picture to go with this question because I was too afraid of what images "add photo or video" might pull up)
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  • Robshock 2012/08/26 19:26:15 (edited)
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Robshock
    +8
    Child porn is in the mind of the pervert viewing the pictures. If your mind doesn't go that direction when you see a little naked butt covered in soap running down a hallway (one of my early photos) then it is an innocent family snapshot and not child porn. If you look at that same picture and see a kid playing hard to get, then it is still not child porn, but you need to be beaten.

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  • La 2012/08/30 06:33:14
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    La
    I'm sure /everyone/ has a picture of themselves naked in the bath when they were a kid. Or, their parents have it....
  • Shiny 2012/08/29 10:16:25
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Shiny
    My mother has pictures of my siblings and myself in the bath when we were children is that child porn. Of course not. Are we naked yes. I have pictures of my Infant and toddler nieces and nephews in the bath and while changing diapers. They are naked is it porn no.
  • Alexander T Steward 2012/08/28 18:37:26
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Alexander T Steward
    +1
    As long as it's not sexual.
  • CatyaSho 2012/08/28 15:07:30
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    CatyaSho
    +1
    or my parents would have broken the law taking pics of me in the shower when I was a child.
  • Williamrobm 2012/08/27 09:59:33
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Williamrobm
    No is not.
  • .: LiVi :. 2012/08/27 04:12:28
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    .: LiVi :.
    +2
    The human body is not a sin. Even the pope has finally admitted that.
  • ElynnKy 2012/08/27 03:25:43
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    ElynnKy
    I don't think so, but I don't write the laws.
  • Dave Th... ElynnKy 2012/08/27 03:39:41
    Dave The Canuck
    It's a common misconception in the US that if a picture shows a child under 18 years naked, it's child pornography, but that's not necessarily the case. It's sexual activity, masturbation or LEWD displays of genitalia or pubic regions that are child pornography by federal US law.
  • Pele Emerging 2012/08/27 02:44:03
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Pele Emerging
    +3
    Of course not. If we weren't so flippin' hung up on nudity in this country, it wouldn't even be a question. In Europe, little kids don't even have to wear swim suits until they're like 6 or 8. As far as being hung up on the human body, Americans are only slightly better than those in predominantly Muslim countries.
  • Dave Th... Pele Em... 3 days ago
    Dave The Canuck
    +1
    Here is a comment I found on listverse's list Top 10 Misconceptions About Nudism that I thought was very insightful and perceptive. I thought it might interest you.

    "To the people who think that all depictions of child nudity are child pornography, regardless of nature, intent, or context, here is a little thought experiment for you:

    Go ask any adult the following question: "Have you ever possessed any child pornography?" Do you expect their answer to be, "Yes, I possessed child pornography constantly for the first 18 years of my life. I had it underneath my clothing."? I think not.

    And many people talk about how children are innocent and how we have to protect their innocence. But how can children be innocent at all if they supposedly possess kiddie porn under their clothes all the time? Does that not sound like a contradiction?"
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/08/27 02:42:38
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +3
    Of course not. I have a great shot of my 2-yo daughter with a lampshade on her head -- and nothing else. Another picture of her and her sister in the tub. Another of her in a kiddie pool in a diaper only. My mother and a dog are in that one too. Gasp. Porn, perversion, and bestiality? Yeah, right.

    Porn isn't in a photo, it's in a person. If some pervert sees the photo of my daughters in the tub and wants to have sex with them, that's sick. But it's not the photo that's sick, it's the person.

    Too many people in the U.S. are hung up on nudity and sex. The rest of the world thinks we're nuts because of it. And every hung-up person IS nuts. Every one of them was born NAKED. The mothers were in a far from graceful or modest position at the time. And how do they think they got inside Mommy's tummy? Divine intervention?
  • Dave Th... jubil8 ... 2012/08/27 02:58:29
    Dave The Canuck
    +1
    I just thought I'd let you know that, a few years back, I wrote a short-ish fictional story (25 pages) about a 31-year-old father in San Francisco, who was arrested and charged with sexual exploitation and child pornography after a photo developer turned in pictures he had taken of his 4-year-old son's mixed-gender slumber party. There wasn't even any nudity in any of the pictures and nothing sexual either.
  • jubil8 ... Dave Th... 2012/08/28 05:33:45
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    Fiction is fine. I hope your story did what you wanted it to. :)
  • Dave Th... jubil8 ... 2012/08/28 20:07:53
    Dave The Canuck
    It did. He was found not guilty, but lost his job as an elementary school substitute teacher, the family's only source of income, and incurred 75 grand in lawyer's fees and court costs. The family ended up having to sell their house and move. When the police questioned the father at the police station, some of their questions were, "What kind of a relationship does your son have with other children?" "Did you touch any of these children?" "Did you ask any of these children to touch you?" "Have you ever allowed your son to sleep with girls before?"
  • jubil8 ... Dave Th... 2012/08/31 22:14:21
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    Your father? A friend's father?

    Not sure what your story is meant to prove, but it doesn't change my opinion that not all pix of nude children are pornographic by definition. I really don't care what SF cops ask.
  • Dave Th... jubil8 ... 2012/09/01 00:09:25 (edited)
    Dave The Canuck
    I'm not trying to change your opinion about anything. I agree with your opinion very much in fact. The story tries to prove that some people see porn and perversion where the maker of the image did not intend such, and sometimes, we have to be careful that our pictures do not fall into the wrong hands, or are seen by the wrong eyes. It is based on a 1-page short story we studied in English "When the Fishes were Stopped by a Policeman" about a 12-year-old girl freaking out when she woke up to her father taking a picture of her sleeping. There have been cases in the US of parents arrested for photographing their children innocently naked. I find such cases both absurd and sad.
  • Dave Th... Dave Th... 2012/09/01 00:29:44 (edited)
    Dave The Canuck
    To further clarify, when I have children, I intend to take many pictures of them and, undoubtedly, there will be a good portion where my children are nude, either in the bath or innocently playing around the house. I live in Canada, and I have never heard of parents getting into trouble for innocent nude photographs of their children in Canada. To be on the safe side, though, I will use a digital camera and will develop the pictures on my home computer. I'm also a practicing nudist, and it would be fun, if my wife is willing, to raise our children in a nudist household, at least in the privacy of our home.
  • Jack's Pearl 2012/08/27 02:21:08
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Jack's Pearl
    +1
    Context is everything. And respect of the child.
  • Dave Th... Jack's ... 3 days ago
    Dave The Canuck
    Here is a comment I found on listverse's list Top 10 Misconceptions About Nudism that I thought was very insightful and perceptive. I thought it might interest you.

    "To the people who think that all depictions of child nudity are child pornography, regardless of nature, intent, or context, here is a little thought experiment for you:

    Go ask any adult the following question: "Have you ever possessed any child pornography?" Do you expect their answer to be, "Yes, I possessed child pornography constantly for the first 18 years of my life. I had it underneath my clothing."? I think not.

    And many people talk about how children are innocent and how we have to protect their innocence. But how can children be innocent at all if they supposedly possess kiddie porn under their clothes all the time? Does that not sound like a contradiction?"
  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2012/08/27 02:19:54 (edited)
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    +2
    When I was in Europe, little kids ran naked on the beach and no one got weird about it.



    Routinely sexualizing kids is what pedophiles do so I'm very suspicious about people who can't differentiate...
  • jubil8 ... KarenIn... 2012/08/27 02:36:14 (edited)
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    I've seen little European kids running naked on beaches HERE, and no one gets weird about it.
  • Dweezle 2012/08/26 23:16:52
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Dweezle
    +3
    No Porn is in the eye of the beholder. A photo of a child bathing is not porn if it is not intended to stir sexual urges.
  • Dweezle Dweezle 2012/08/26 23:31:50
    Dweezle
    +3
    In the USA we have this phobia of nudity being nasty or dirty. it is NOT, this phobia being handed down from generation to generation breeds the "hee hee I see her boobies" adolescent mentality.

    When I served in Europe, I saw topless women pictured on billboards, it was considered to be normal! but oh well I developed a different outlook.
  • Dave Th... Dweezle 2012/08/27 00:03:56
    Dave The Canuck
    +1
    Some Americans visiting European countries are offended or even appalled by the lax attitude of nudity there.
  • Dweezle Dave Th... 2012/08/27 00:18:34
    Dweezle
    +1
    Ever heard the term "Ugly American" and wondered where it came from?
  • Dave Th... Dweezle 2012/08/27 02:03:44
    Dave The Canuck
    I side with the Europeans.
  • Carlos benoit 2012/08/26 21:00:48
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Carlos benoit
    +1
    It's hard to distinguish what is decent and which is not. we are so busy trying to point the finger at this & that & the other. Kind of confusing, isn't it?
  • Seiryuu 2012/08/26 20:58:16
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Seiryuu
    +2
    If that were the case, then all the painting of cherubs would be burned.
  • Queen B 2012/08/26 20:48:13
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Queen B
    +2
    NO! Coppertone made millions from their naked baby advertisement. People are nuts with this bs.
    suntan lotion baby pic
  • Cricket Queen B 2012/08/26 20:57:22
    Cricket
    +1
    The child Coppertone used for their poster was...Cybil Shephard.
  • Queen B Cricket 2012/08/26 21:03:24
    Queen B
    I thought it was Jodie Foster.
  • Dweezle Queen B 2012/08/26 23:18:29
    Dweezle
    +1
    nope it was before Ms Foster was even born!
  • Cricket 2012/08/26 20:30:27
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Cricket
    +1
    Each summer my parents rented a house on the beach and we'd get monster suntans. Afterwards, Mom would photograph us (my older brother & sister & me) naked--with our bodies facing away from the camera and our heads were turned so we were looking back at the camera. It made for a cute photo!
  • Dave Th... Cricket 2012/08/26 20:54:07
    Dave The Canuck
    +1
    That is a cute photo, but I would see nothing wrong with simply facing the camera the usual way. Some people have an irrational fear of genitalia.
  • Cricket Dave Th... 2012/08/26 20:55:17
    Cricket
    FACT!
  • AZTEC WARRIOR 2012/08/26 19:54:11
    If the kid is under 18, yes it is.
    AZTEC WARRIOR
    thats wrong but if their not babies were back to thats wrong
  • Dave Th... AZTEC W... 3 days ago
    Dave The Canuck
    Here is a comment I found on listverse's list Top 10 Misconceptions About Nudism that I thought was very insightful and perceptive. I thought it might interest you.

    "To the people who think that all depictions of child nudity are child pornography, regardless of nature, intent, or context, here is a little thought experiment for you:

    Go ask any adult the following question: "Have you ever possessed any child pornography?" Do you expect their answer to be, "Yes, I possessed child pornography constantly for the first 18 years of my life. I had it underneath my clothing."? I think not.

    And many people talk about how children are innocent and how we have to protect their innocence. But how can children be innocent at all if they supposedly possess kiddie porn under their clothes all the time? Does that not sound like a contradiction?"
  • holly go lightly 2012/08/26 19:38:55
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    holly go lightly
    +2
    absolutely not!but to a baby raper even fully clothed children are a challenge.Let's not forget ,they are the ones with the problem we are not.
  • Adrianna 2012/08/26 19:34:55
    Child nudity is not, in and of itself, pornographic.
    Adrianna
    +2
    Of course not.
  • Dave Th... Adrianna 3 days ago
    Dave The Canuck
    Here is a comment I found on listverse's list Top 10 Misconceptions About Nudism that I thought was very insightful and perceptive. I thought it might interest you.

    "To the people who think that all depictions of child nudity are child pornography, regardless of nature, intent, or context, here is a little thought experiment for you:

    Go ask any adult the following question: "Have you ever possessed any child pornography?" Do you expect their answer to be, "Yes, I possessed child pornography constantly for the first 18 years of my life. I had it underneath my clothing."? I think not.

    And many people talk about how children are innocent and how we have to protect their innocence. But how can children be innocent at all if they supposedly possess kiddie porn under their clothes all the time? Does that not sound like a contradiction?"

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