A Message to Islam

by steven Posted 2012/09/12 21:46:41

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A Message to Islam:

First, let me say that the American people, on the whole, do not have a problem with Muslims and their religion. You, however, may be drastically changing that opinion, by your silence and inaction. What we do have a major problem with is your extremists and the fact that you do not police them yourselves. Every religion and every nation has extremists, that is true. It is also true that each of these groups or nations should consider themselves solely responsible for policing themselves to prevent such radical outbursts. That is where you fail. Is there a written or unwritten law amongst you that says you cannot criticize another Islamist? Americans criticize our own weaknesses all the time. It is a fundamental right to do so and an obligation on our part. We have not enforced as often as we need to the fight against corruption in our government and now we are paying for that. You will also pay for the neglect of self-regulating your people. Rest assured of that.

We, as Americans, believe in freedom of religion and tolerance. Do you realize that you are fostering MORE INTOLERANCE amongst us by not speaking out and acting AGAINST your own radical extremists? When you allow burning of our Bibles, do not consider it a weakness that we do not retaliate in the streets. When one burns your Koran, you allow extremism and lack of self-control to disturb peace on a worldwide basis. Is this being a good neighbor to anyone? No. Is it being responsible? No. Does it show strength? Certainly not. It shows an overall lack of emotional strength and self-discipline. It is strongly akin to a child throwing a tantrum when he cannot have his way. Islam is seen as a spoiled child by much of the world, who simply want to live at peace with their neighbors.

Make no mistake that when the day comes that it happens here, in our nation, there will be a backlash that you have not counted on. But then you seemingly don't care if innocent and law-abiding Muslims die because of the few of you who lack integrity and discipline, do you? Even your women are now standing up against the abuses you press upon them because of your silence or compliance to inequality traditions. You see the world through distorted glass. You do not lie to one another, by law, but it is no sin to lie to those you want to convert to your faith? What kind of example is that? May Allah be merciful to you for THAT ideology, for I do not accept it nor do I understand it. Would you not be better off to raise a moral standard that sets an example others will want to follow, not out of fear but out of admiration? On that we could agree with you and even join in such efforts.

While I personally may not be the best example of a Christian, it does not in the least cloud my eyes as to who are the best examples of Islam. Conversion by force is Satan's plan and will never work here, so do not even try. You will be met with that which your women and children will cry over and there will be no reward in Heaven for those who steal peace from the earth when they could have set proper examples of reponsible adult behavior. Who wants to listen to the neighborhood bully? It is time to stop throwing childish temper tantrums and grow up.

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Jack Sprat 2012/09/12 23:18:01

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I suggest we continue following the Thomas Jefferson plan of Deplomacy and Punishment, it seemed to have given us a 200 year break in muslim terrorist activity.

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Angelface 2012/10/26 13:36:08 (edited)

I find people who follow organised religions somewhat lacking in critical thinking skills, especially those who believe in the concept of heaven/hell. According to the Abrahamic Definition of God- God is an Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and A PERFECT Being. If not true, then 'God would cease to be God'. But think about that word 'Perfection'. Perfection, requires NOTHING to sustain it, hence no need for prayers, alms, rituals, damnation (that unholy concept of heaven/hell) and above all guilt. A finite Human being cannot possibly comprehend an Infinite Being, so I would be very wary of any human being (including those who claim to be prophets) who claim to know what goes on in any "afterlife".

As the great sage Lao-Tzu once said "The Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Tao"

And in Albert Einstein's own words, "Whoever undertakes to set themselves up as judges in the field of truth and knowledge are shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods"

The problem is people are lazy, they prefer other people to do their thinking for them. Once they have decided to accept the views of another, be it, a prophet, guru, pope, priest, imam, shaman, rabbi or whatever, they will invest in that person. That's called subjugation. They don't seem to have the capac...

I find people who follow organised religions somewhat lacking in critical thinking skills, especially those who believe in the concept of heaven/hell. According to the Abrahamic Definition of God- God is an Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and A PERFECT Being. If not true, then 'God would cease to be God'. But think about that word 'Perfection'. Perfection, requires NOTHING to sustain it, hence no need for prayers, alms, rituals, damnation (that unholy concept of heaven/hell) and above all guilt. A finite Human being cannot possibly comprehend an Infinite Being, so I would be very wary of any human being (including those who claim to be prophets) who claim to know what goes on in any "afterlife".

As the great sage Lao-Tzu once said "The Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Tao"

And in Albert Einstein's own words, "Whoever undertakes to set themselves up as judges in the field of truth and knowledge are shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods"

The problem is people are lazy, they prefer other people to do their thinking for them. Once they have decided to accept the views of another, be it, a prophet, guru, pope, priest, imam, shaman, rabbi or whatever, they will invest in that person. That's called subjugation. They don't seem to have the capacity to think for themselves or invest time by reading up on other philosophies, or the latest discoveries in science, especially in Quantum Physics (in fact there is some evidence we could be living in a Holographic Universe or a Computer Simulation. Think the "Matrix" or "Avatar". Think about the aphorism "As Above So Below"- the advances in computer technology and where that may take us - posthuman "ancestor" simulations, maybe?), or indeed, reading about the origins of religion.

In fact there is increasing evidence that the Godman, Jesus Christ is a myth. The only historical evidence for JC is in the 4 Canonical Gospels. Other historians who lived around the time of Christ, never spoke about him. Christianity smacks of pagan Mithraism. And if JC is a myth, where does that leave Islam. You need to be careful with beliefs systems. Beliefs are mental constructs, ideas about 'what is and not what is'. They are products of conditioning. Ultimately, if one wants true freedom, one needs to leave the realm of beliefs and enter into the present with a clear mind free of conditioning.

By all means no-one can stop you from choosing a belief system but make sure it's one that serves you well and treats others who do not belong to your faith group with respect, tolerance and giving them the right to criticise your beliefs without taking offense. Muslims, please take note.

The 'Modus Operandi' = Consciousness = Information. .. Maybe? I'm OK with the symbolic meaning behind the myth of JC. A message of love and service. The 'Father and I are One' meaning Cosmic Consciousness (= Father) entering the virtual 3D world as the man JC himself, the 'Avatar'.
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steven to Angelface 2012/11/08 05:01:34 (edited)

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I will limit my critique to saying that you are apparently unaware of the writings of the historian Josephus if you think that Jesus is listed in only four records. Prophecies in earlier books of the prophets were specific about his life as well. I am an equal opportunity offender, upsetting religionists and scientists alike, so I find the common ground between the two views and toss aside what does not fit. I should add that I have had direct communication with the infinite being you deny, so it is no longer a 'belief' to me, but a sure knowledge. I may not be able to prove to YOU that God exists, but you can certainly do the experiment that millions of others have done, if you are willing to get into the test tube with Him. After all, one element alone does not a reaction make.

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Angelface to steven 2012/11/10 11:48:07 (edited)

Hold on Steven. I do not deny an Infinite Being. It depends how you define that Infinite Being and who/what you are communicating with. Can you be absolutely sure what IT IS?

Sorry Steven, you need to dig deeper. You need to read the Josephus forgery on Christ at www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.

All the worlds religions are really the same religion when we strip away the more superficial aspects of them. There we find at the esoteric core of all religious beliefs that a persons ultimate and real identity is God. Refer to St John 10:30, where Jesus says, "Ye are Gods".

I use a number of tools as a means of communicating with an Infinite Being (My 'Higher Self' = Consciousness, not an Anthropomorphic God as such). The firrst, is the I-Ching, because the I-Ching is a Binary System it embraces the Holographic/Computer Simulation Theories of the Universe. It works well for me!! I also intone the Divine Name 'Yahweh' as a sequence of vowel sounds.

But who/what exactly is Yahweh?

An anthropomorphic, avengeful deity, who judges? This is an infantile notion of God which defies ALL logic and is NOT in keeping with the discoveries made within quantum physics.

or, is IT,

Another name for your 'Higher Self' (or individual spark of consciousness). That same Consciousness which i...

Hold on Steven. I do not deny an Infinite Being. It depends how you define that Infinite Being and who/what you are communicating with. Can you be absolutely sure what IT IS?

Sorry Steven, you need to dig deeper. You need to read the Josephus forgery on Christ at www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.

All the worlds religions are really the same religion when we strip away the more superficial aspects of them. There we find at the esoteric core of all religious beliefs that a persons ultimate and real identity is God. Refer to St John 10:30, where Jesus says, "Ye are Gods".

I use a number of tools as a means of communicating with an Infinite Being (My 'Higher Self' = Consciousness, not an Anthropomorphic God as such). The firrst, is the I-Ching, because the I-Ching is a Binary System it embraces the Holographic/Computer Simulation Theories of the Universe. It works well for me!! I also intone the Divine Name 'Yahweh' as a sequence of vowel sounds.

But who/what exactly is Yahweh?

An anthropomorphic, avengeful deity, who judges? This is an infantile notion of God which defies ALL logic and is NOT in keeping with the discoveries made within quantum physics.

or, is IT,

Another name for your 'Higher Self' (or individual spark of consciousness). That same Consciousness which is the programmer of the Universe and lies beyond a 2D Holographic 'Shell' (needs some knowledge of Quantum Physics to understand this concept), Consciousness providing a kind of playground for itself- a virtual 3D world. Consciousness cannot come to a finite world so it elects to create an 'Avatar' to represent it. Upon entering the virtual realm as the 'Avatar' you relinguish your rememberance of yourself. This is likened to the 'passing through the veil', a term borrowed from the Christian tradition.

But what about that Divine name Yahweh? It was said to have been known but this knowledge disappeared several thousand years ago. It became prohibited to sound the Divine Name when reading the OT. Quite often info is made secret or is restricted as a means of control. It is usually prohibited, as a means for one group of people to hold power over another group of people (hence the invention of religion which disguises deeper eternal truths as to the true nature of reality). Perhaps the suppression of the Divine Name had been enforced to keep people from the wonderment of experiencing personal connection with the 'Higher Self'. To separate the people from the extraordinary energy of being able to open up the 'third eye' or the subtle energy fields called 'Chakras' to release the God within You.

Did JC not say " The Kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU'

I could go on and on.......If you want to discuss matters further, request to be my friend and we can discuss more.

A word of caution to everyone else reading this post, You really need to BEWARE of religious belief systems. They are extremely limiting. Take control of your own destiny. Learn the roots of all religion. Is there not some passage in the bible that contains the line, "The truth will set you FREE"? Never a truer word was spoken, take heed!!!
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star 2012/09/29 20:31:39

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Their religion is theirs and mine is mine. I won't force mine on them and don't want to have my head cut off if I disagree with them. They can have Islam and I'll have God, The Bible way.

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knybee 2012/09/15 05:39:30

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I agree with most of what is said here. The mention of fear as the prime motivation for keeping silent is the key. The early believers in Jesus were threatened with cruxifitions, beheadings, etc. Even the first disciples were afraid after Jesus death to face those who would do the same to them as they did to their Master. It wasn't until the Holy Spirit filled them that they had the right courage. The courage to face others with no physical weapon. It's easier to go into a physical battle with a physical weapon. It's not so easy to go against men of violence without a weapon. That is what the Holy Spirit brought through them. A spiritual courage.
My point is, that we should be understanding of this fact, because many of those who profess Islam will not have the same courage to fight that fight. How will they receive of the Holy Spirit without Gods grace? But we should also not think for one minute that we would undoubtably be able to do so. That is one lessen from Peter's life that we need to remember. Peter said, paraphrase, "Even if all forsake you, I will not." So there but for the grace of God go I. Just as Peter was unable to have the spiritual courage before what is called Pentecost, neither should we speak the same words lest God has to teach us a lesson that we shoul...

I agree with most of what is said here. The mention of fear as the prime motivation for keeping silent is the key. The early believers in Jesus were threatened with cruxifitions, beheadings, etc. Even the first disciples were afraid after Jesus death to face those who would do the same to them as they did to their Master. It wasn't until the Holy Spirit filled them that they had the right courage. The courage to face others with no physical weapon. It's easier to go into a physical battle with a physical weapon. It's not so easy to go against men of violence without a weapon. That is what the Holy Spirit brought through them. A spiritual courage.
My point is, that we should be understanding of this fact, because many of those who profess Islam will not have the same courage to fight that fight. How will they receive of the Holy Spirit without Gods grace? But we should also not think for one minute that we would undoubtably be able to do so. That is one lessen from Peter's life that we need to remember. Peter said, paraphrase, "Even if all forsake you, I will not." So there but for the grace of God go I. Just as Peter was unable to have the spiritual courage before what is called Pentecost, neither should we speak the same words lest God has to teach us a lesson that we should have learned from Peters' error.
We have soldiers who use physical weapons. All well and good to fight physical battles. But violence begets violence. Or does anyone really think that it's just a coincidence that the Israeli's and the Palestinians have been fighting all of our lives? They are trying to solve spiritual problems with physical solutions. By the same token, in a people intimidated by the fear of what will happen to them or their children if they don't toe the line, we should not expect them to overcome a problem that even Peter was not able to do without divine help. To me that's where we come in. The "message" here is a decent witness to truths that some learn quicker than others. Like the spoiled child analogy. Yet again it must be understood that most of us have not exactly gone beyond Peters' error to be like he became. But that is what it's going to take.
One last thing. Picture a man or a woman and they have children. And they know that if they speak out or don't do what the authorities say, those authorities will do violent things to those children. Is it compassionate of us to say, "Well they should stand up to them?" If they are deemed weak for not doing so, hasn't everyone been at one time or another? Are we greater then Peter. Or has this country ever lived under a such an authority? Not yet. Yet.
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steven to knybee 2012/11/08 05:09:26

The spirit is indeed beginning to work among them, though. I have recently been told of a man who knew his mother had prayed for him and asked for an answer from God (Allah, as they call him). The man was about to die from hunger and and illness and had nowhere to turn and no way home again, being in a foreign nation to his own. Women in their faith are not to pray and expect revelation, but this woman got it and with it the courage to provide what her son needed to survive.

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knybee to steven 2012/11/09 06:41:20

Listen, first I am grateful to all that God does irrespective of the person that receives His blessing. But the Lord God has a name and it's not allah. Indeed He has many names. But allah is not one of them. It is good that anyone receives a blessing from God. But that doesn't then give us the right to change His words. He chooses His own name. We do not choose it for him. Indeed we are put to the test when it is written "For there is no other name under Heaven given among people by which we must be saved." That shows right there the importance having the right name.

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steven to knybee 2013/01/25 05:08:53

I understand what you are saying, but would also suggest that God will answer a sincere prayer even if he is called by the wrong name by a person ignorant of his real name. A loving God does not ignore his children simply because of a lack of knowledge. Anciently among the American indigenous tribes there came a white, bearded healer, wearing a robe with crosses along the hem. He performed the many miracles of Jesus, including walking on water, but he also told the people to choose a name for him when they asked his name. In one case a certain tribe called him Chee-Soos, much like Jesus. You can find these traditions in a book entitled He Walked The Americas. Christ did say he was called to the lost sheep of Israel and God did say he scattered Israel to the four corners of the world, did he not?

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Jim 2012/09/15 05:36:27

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I trust no Muslim. They follow the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran states that any one who is not a Muslim and will not convert ti Islam is an infidel and must be destroyed. You can't believe in just certain parts of the Qu'ran and be a Muslim, just as a Christian cannot believe in only parts parts of the Bible and be a true Christian. The same applies to Jews, etc.

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steven to Jim 2012/11/08 05:14:17

There is more than a single version of the Qu'ran, just as there is with the Bible. And I know for a fact that there are some misinterpreatations in certain versions of the Bible, so I must allow for the same with their book as well.

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Andrew 2012/09/14 00:35:33

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Well said.

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azuredragon 2012/09/13 14:35:53

Muslims will be judged by God. I think they should be helped to get there... soon.

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Mr.Steve 2012/09/13 11:30:09
Boris D. 2012/09/13 10:10:22

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http://www.answering-islam.or...

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Lady Whitewolf 2012/09/13 09:51:13

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MY message to islam?

GROW THE F*** UP!

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L1 2012/09/13 04:05:05

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Well put. Thank you.

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american patriot 2012/09/13 03:37:22

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Great work! Thank you. I couldn't have said it better.

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fisherman 2012/09/13 03:35:42

after reading some of the posts here it only re-enforces my view that religion ALL OF EM ...have done more harm without trying than the amount of good they have tried to do . and since no one has come back to tell me how things work on the other side i will keep my options open .muslims , jews , christians , hindus and buddists ....everything dies !

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steven to fisherman 2012/09/13 05:31:22

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Buddhism has never been aggressive. How are they a threat? As a Mormon, I know our history is one of peaceful coexistence when allowed to do so. How is that harmful?

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fisherman to steven 2012/09/13 16:45:08

dont the buddists have a habit of setting themselves on fire when things dont go their way ? while that may not harm bystanders it sure is hard on the guy thats on fire . and why have the mormans had this problem of not being allowed to settle in some places ? could it be the delusional six demon bag of beliefs you all subscribe to .all i am saying is religion as a concept stirs up a lot of problems as too many so called religous people consider themselves direct representitives of god herself . as i always say religion has as much to do with god as heavy snow warnings have to do with the mountains of hell.

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steven to fisherman 2012/09/29 20:09:48

A HABIT of setting themselves on fire? Absolutely not a pattern that is common, no. You should know it is to get the attention of the UN, which SAYS it cares about human rights and then stands by and WATCHES genocide in Africa and elsewhere. As for Mormons (the correct spelling) not being welcome to settle in some places, it had a lot to do with the fact they were very conservative and tended to vote that way and could easily have swayed elections where they settled among the REAL rabble rousers and thug mentality. They were also very industrious and not prone to drinking and carousing, which led their neighbors to become jealous of their possessions. Now, I don't suppose you will accept the truth, but then I don't suppose you will make any effort to research it either. As for real religion, anyone subscribing to peace with their neighbors is a far sight closer to it than those who burn out their peaceful neighbors and issue extermination orders on women and children (Gov. Boggs of Missouri). You might do well to study a bit of history yourself instead of trying to poke and prod emotional responses with little but a piece of grass as a weapon.

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fisherman to steven 2012/09/30 16:29:07

well well , i guess you told me eh ? are you a mormon ( see i changed it out of respect ) or are you just pimping for them ? i never meant to hold the mormons up as an example , what i said was "religion" of any sort is bad medicine if allowed free reign over a group of people ..jim jones , david koresh...come to mind , not mention radical islam which if given its way would take over the whole damned world . as for your remark about my lack of knowledge on the subject is just plain wrong , what i meant to say and should have is MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE NAME OF GOD THAN ANY OTHER REASON at the direction of their respective religous leaders .

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steven to fisherman 2012/11/08 05:22:36

Did Stalin's 50 million die for religion? Maybe the Jews of the Holocaust brought it on themselves? Remember that at least 7 million Christians died there, too. And then we have Pol Pot and Mao--killed because they believed in something more trhan the supremacy of man? So often the world makes it out to seem as if it is the religionist who is doing all of the killing and sometime...only sometimes...is that true. More often it is the atheistic tyrants who kill those who have a belief system that does not include worship of the state.

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fisherman to steven 2012/11/08 05:28:26
steven to fisherman 2012/11/08 05:33:44 (edited)

I'm sorry. Maybe I misunderstood your intent. But I still stick with the concern that the world seems to think that all of our problems would disappear if we just stop believing in God. That is ignorance at best and willful stupidity at worst.

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fisherman to steven 2012/11/08 18:12:59

therein lies the problem , too many of us connect religion with god . religion is a an earthly method of control , keep the slaves slaving , keep the soldiers marching ,the farmers farming and no matter how bad things get here on earth , if you believe thus and so you will get your reward in heaven ....good scam eh ? as no one comes back to tell you different .

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steven to fisherman 2013/01/25 05:11:04

You assume an awful lot. Did not God prescribe a system of belief and obedience? Is this not a religion? Sure, some have corrupted it for the sake of power over those they force to become ignorant of truth. That does not mean ALL religion is fraud and abusive.

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Barbara 2012/09/13 02:28:25 (edited)

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I agree with you wholeheartedly!

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Stan Kapusta 2012/09/13 02:13:43

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Actions speak louder than words. Were tired of one action. Carrying body bags of Americans. There comes a time when we must realize were are not helping no one. We are just being used. This is that time.

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perviasrectus 2012/09/13 02:02:41

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Dear Steven;
I'm not a muslim, but do believe in freedom of religion.The problem is that radicals in any
religion are dangerous, as in for example the crusades or naziism.I believe that more muslims would speak out against violence,but the consequences are tremendous to family and self preservation.In other words better to live suppressed than not at all,or move in with infidels across the waters.

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steven to pervias... 2012/09/13 05:42:07

I understand that. That is why even some of their women are now taking a stand against the abuses. The whole thing with them is that when their law says unequivocally that they should not have the LEAST amount of tolerance for any critique of Islam, those who punish the "offenders" become 'heroes'. They are now the MACHO defenders of the faith. I think that is why they do it, in addition to mob mentality and frenzy. Neither of these positions is absolute, though. The perceived offender is not as bad as he is portrayed and the so-called hero is not as heroic as he would like to believe.

You may have noticed above that I admitted extremists in all nations and faiths. The Buddhist extremist is nowhere as dangerous as the Muslim extremist, however. The Buddhist faith treats the supposed offender quite differently, not threatening to kill him for small differences of opinion. They also do not deify the defender and drive him to further acts of abuse in the name of the faith. The moving across the waters is not so much an effort to move away from the pressures you speak of so much as it is part of their plan to take over by sheer numbers eventually, as they do in Deerborne, Michigan. They now recognize Sharia law there. Don't fool yourself, they intend to eventually force their faith on all of us or kill us for non-compliance.

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Soundstorm 2012/09/13 01:56:54

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I know of a certain bit of diplomatic outreach to our excitable Islamic friends that ought to resolve any misunderstanding.

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steven to Soundstorm 2012/09/13 05:43:17

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This should have been the response at the embassy. Our illustrious 'prez' won't let the guards carry bullets, it seems.

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Soundstorm to steven 2012/09/13 09:05:16

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Barney Fife gets more respect than our marines.

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Merry☆ 2012/09/12 23:56:28 (edited)

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This was today.

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steven to Merry☆ 2012/09/13 05:45:33

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Thank you for posting these pictures. I find it sad that the mainstream media will never show these, but will push for further division. I do have great respect for the people in these pictures. These are people who risk reprisals, but do so anyway. They are too few in numbers to make a difference yet, however.

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Jack Sprat 2012/09/12 23:18:01

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I suggest we continue following the Thomas Jefferson plan of Deplomacy and Punishment, it seemed to have given us a 200 year break in muslim terrorist activity.

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Elephan... to Jack Sprat 2012/09/13 02:12:57

Did you know that Thomas Jefferson also taught himself Arabic with his own copy of the Koran? He also hosted the first Ramadan feast at the White House.
http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0...

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Jack Sprat to Elephan... 2012/09/14 03:09:50

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I know that he wanted to "know the muslim mind", not ascribe to it's insanity, that is why he sent a floatilla for the first foreign war we ever fought, apparently what he learned about the religion of "piece" was all that it took.

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Elephan... to Jack Sprat 2012/09/14 04:21:56

I provided a source. Now it's your turn. I'll read the source, and then we can talk.

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