What the Hell can be done with Israel and Palestine?
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For at least the last 7,000 years this portion of ground has been fought over. A Hebrew tribe (originating in the steppes mountains Northwest of Babylon who had emigrated to Mesopotamia) was kidnapped out of Babylon and taken to what is now "Israel." The Babylonian Army came to free their citizens from slavery and stayed on, bringing their technology to Canaan, Anatolia, and other Mediterranean coastal cities at the same time. They brought their method of schooling, dividing the day into 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness, the circle into 360 degrees, the geometry of movement of stars and planets (which instead of planets which is Greek for "wanderers", the Babylonian word for them was "interpreters"), complicated mathematics, a written record stretching back past Hammurabi, etc. So for years and years this was land claimed by many as homeland. Fast forward to the time of religiousity when this land became hallowed to 2 major world religions, Judaism and Islam. There are ancient sites here, it is not a place to build sewers and bomb stuff. Then some Jews decided that 70 years previous their messiah had come, and called him Jesus Christ, so they started writing about a man long dead. Can you tell me about the things your ancestors said or did 70 years ago, well that's another whole subject. But the fact is that loads of people worldwide now look at this place as a place to revere, to take a pilgrimage to, so there seems one sensible solution that no one talks about. Let's make that whole area an INTERNATIONAL PEACE PARK. No one should live there and run sewers through ancient ruins. No one should drive there, crushing relics beneath their feet. No one should kill there, the blood has flowed there too much and too often, desecrating land that deserves more respect. (though I personally am of the opinion that if you REALLY believe that God is omnipotent and omnipresent, then you believe that God's house is not just the Church, God's land is not just "the Holy land", God's home and land are the earth and the stars, universally, and all you religious yahoos who kill and think you are doing it for God are simply desecrating and denigrating God's home and land.) So that is my suggestion for Israel and Gaza, the UN should step in and purchase the property, claim imminent domain just like when the Goverment decided they were making the Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore, told all the coastal landowners that they would get "fair market value" for their homes and they had to be gone by a certain date. They had a year or two, I think. But they left, and the LAND was returned to a more pristine state. Stop the flow of blood. And Where will the Jews call their nation? Isn't that a racially bigoted question? oh, well, Where will they go? You know, in the big scheme of things, we don't seem to ask that question about the millions of people that will be displaced when the oceans rise and swallow whole countries, so what the Hell? There are just a few people there, willing to live under a constant threat of death, they will find a place, carve out their our niche somewhere else. All the rest of us have. We integrated ourselves into other societies so well, you can't tell what I am anymore.
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Magzilla 2009/01/13 17:58:22If they want to kill each other it's good for overpopulation, so let it happen+3They either need to learn how to be tolerant and live together or die and let the stronger guy win. there are no other options. This thousand year war is pathetic and it says a lot about people who live there and fight and those who support it. It also says a lot about religion and the prejudice that it causes.

















I like the idea of a one-state solution myself.
this is a subject that has been close to my heart for years. i'm white, atheist, and totally have nothing to do with this, but i'm pro-palestine on this thing. why? they throw rocks and get bullets in return. israel is too supported and too funded to not take care of them once and for all. if they don't it's because they know it's wrong and that the repercussions will be vast. the rest of the middle east already hates israel and they all have different reasons for it. they hate us for being friends with them.
this is what brings me to my next point. if we didn't support israel, we'd be a lot better off. so would their neighbors.
look at summer 2006. israel bombed the crap out of the Hezbollah in lebanon for the entire summer because two soldiers, two! -- who we never saw a photo of -- went missing north of the israeli border. we did eventually see pix, but it was months after the conflict was over and it was brief and no one confirmed that they were the actual soldiers gone missing. no interviews with them or anything. you'd think that'd be important since massive bombing went on on their behalf.
i just can't support them. let me say this for the record: i'm not anti-Semitic. i just don't app...
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this is a subject that has been close to my heart for years. i'm white, atheist, and totally have nothing to do with this, but i'm pro-palestine on this thing. why? they throw rocks and get bullets in return. israel is too supported and too funded to not take care of them once and for all. if they don't it's because they know it's wrong and that the repercussions will be vast. the rest of the middle east already hates israel and they all have different reasons for it. they hate us for being friends with them.
this is what brings me to my next point. if we didn't support israel, we'd be a lot better off. so would their neighbors.
look at summer 2006. israel bombed the crap out of the Hezbollah in lebanon for the entire summer because two soldiers, two! -- who we never saw a photo of -- went missing north of the israeli border. we did eventually see pix, but it was months after the conflict was over and it was brief and no one confirmed that they were the actual soldiers gone missing. no interviews with them or anything. you'd think that'd be important since massive bombing went on on their behalf.
i just can't support them. let me say this for the record: i'm not anti-Semitic. i just don't approve of the way they run their country and oppress their neighbors. assholes.
there are generations of palestinians still displaced in countries like egypt and so on waiting for clearance to come home again. you have 70 year old people who've waited for 60 years to go back to their homes. meanwhile, it's occupied with a fence around it collecting dust. nice work, gentlemen.
they've been duking it out for years now and all to no resolve.
god is totally dead in this matter. everyone there is sold on the blood that's in the soil (sand) there. not necessarily the land itself, but the heritage that belongs to it. the problem is that it's the past and no one's moving on at the cost of bloodshed.
these aren't stupid people; they're human just like you and I, but they're more than sold on their beliefs. religion is ugly.
Agreed. The founding fathers warned us against permanent alliances.
---god is totally dead in this matter.---
I can't agree here. I was trying to get to Christians on here that want our government protecting Israel, because if they are honest they either stop praying or realize that God is alive. Weed out the tares from the wheat.
---everyone there is sold on the blood that's in the soil (sand) there. not necessarily the land itself, but the heritage that belongs to it. the problem is that it's the past and no one's moving on at the cost of bloodshed.---
Here either, because I do think that every attempt to bring peace has only left the Jews up for attacks, therefore I think they are not the problem. At the same time, that is something Israel have to deal with, not the U.S.
---these aren't stupid people; they're human just like you and I, but they're more than sold on their beliefs. religion is ugly.---
Religion, yes. Truth, no, but a lot of times the beholder has a different opinion.
malcom x had a brilliant quote: there's nothing more dangerous than a muslim who will kill for allah. he was speaking of the death threats on himself, but the theme is universal. all religions, including yours, chrisianity, are knee-deep in bloodshed. we've mixed religion with politics and now we're in a holy war that's got nothing to do with whatever god is supposed to stand for. you're right when you say all of these 'beholders' have a different opinion.
keep in mind, the bible is the bloodiest, most violent book in literature.
think about what i'm saying when you quote me. i'm not bullshitting anyone. i don't write what i write just to fill a text block. i've done my research and i'm well-studied. i'd advise the same for anyone else who wants to tackle this matter.
Sorry, but you are wrong here. Christianity is not knee-deep in bloodshed at all. The so-called Christians who misused it are. If such is true, then Atheism is just as responsible for the deaths made by communism as Christianity is for witch hunts.
---keep in mind, the bible is the bloodiest, most violent book in literature.---
I'll have to disagree there too. You should read more. I've read many things very detailed about death, torture and whatnot.
---think about what i'm saying when you quote me. i'm not bullshitting anyone. i don't write what i write just to fill a text block. i've done my research and i'm well-studied. i'd advise the same for anyone else who wants to tackle this matter---
I am thinking about what you have said, otherwise I would not comment using quotes at all.
they might as well be rubber bullets. despite the bloodshed, no one's advancing.
All that said, it's the best solution I have come across.
"...major world religions with a vested interest, what's to stop one side from trying to gain control of it? Because the outcome of such a grab is predictable -- right back where we started. "
the ties are deep and maybe peace is out of reach. maybe in a thousand years, they'll be like san francisco and say 'fuck god and everything that's holy, it's bullshit' and move on with their lives and stop killing each other over 'nothing'.
these people are and aren't pathetic. if you were born there, you'd see things like they do. however, it seems that neither population is large and that after 7k years, they would've realized they're dying out or ..... died out.
there are more solutions that killing and letting the strong survive. what if there were a common threat where they could bond together in defense? (say a terrorist threatens to blow them both off the map) even terrorism isn't all bad if it makes unions out of enemies. there are a lot of negative things in the world, but everything is subject to manipulation. even bad things can be used for good outcomes.
there are always other options.
you're all the way right in your comment. there's nothing but hate and more hate isn't the solution. if they only realized that they're so much alike that they could be friends then things would be different. i look at both parties and shake my head in shame. it's too bad what they're born in to. i thank my stars that i'm a magnanimous young white boy in california.