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What happened at the Tower of Babel? and where was it?

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  • CampDavid †DEO VALENTI † 2009/03/18 21:45:55
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    In GENESIS 11 it says...
    "They found a plain in Shinar, (Babylonia), and settled there."
    "...then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
    Which is exactly what God made happen to them. Even here in the Bible, Christ is refered to as he says-"Come, let US go down and confuse their language..."!(Genesis 11:7)
    Therefore we use the word "bable" to this day to refer to not understanding what one is saying.
    As for the tower itself, time has dealt with it. God has no need to "prove" anything to us. :)
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  • In memory of my wife,Sister... 2009/08/10 23:46:09
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    God interposed and defeated their design by condounding their language, and hence the name Babel, meaning,
    "Confusion." In the Babylonian tablets there is an account of this event, and also of the creation and the deluge.

    And where was it? Babel,Tower of: The name given to the tower which the primitive fathers of our race built in the land of Shinar after the Deluge.[Gen.11:1-9.] tower primitive fathers race built land shinar deluge gen 111-9
    God Bless
    Sister In Christ
  • thetruth In memo... 2009/08/10 23:55:38
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    AMEN!
  • In memo... thetruth 2009/09/18 16:24:14
    In memory of my wife,Sister in Christ, Has Passed away!
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    Blessings my Brother.
  • Philo-Publius 2009/04/06 21:31:36
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    "Babel" in Hebrew means "confusion", allegedly derived from the root "balal" meaning to mix, and this sense is carried through even in our modern English word "Babble" as CampDavid correctly writes, meaning to speak incoherently. But like ALL glosses given in the Pentateuch, I encourage skepticism regarding its veracity.

    "Bab+Ilu" in Akkadian means "Gateway of the Gods", and this forgotten gateway theme is the first part of the story even in Genesis 11, where men attempted to build a tower "AS THEY JOURNEYED FROM THE EAST" in the plain of Shinar. I take this attempt at a "tower" (the "migdal" in Hebrew, from where probably is derived the word "magdalene" in the N.T.-also, it is interesting that "Har MEGIDDO", has this same tri-consonantal root) to be (as even exoteric Judeo-Christianity teaches) the FIRST ATTEMPT to "gather back" to "God" after the separation. This attempt was unsuccessful, as the "ship had already sailed", and the monad(s) were propelled onward by the satanic impulse, represented here by the "LORD" Yahweh.

    This confusion of speech carried on down to Moses, who was self-admittedly "slow of speech" (Ex. 4:10) Luckily, the wife given him by Jethro, Tzipporah, a "bird call", and birds are a designation of angels (I will give a multitude of examples if anyone asks, but a verse in Isa. [31:5] com..."""""""""""""
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    "Babel" in Hebrew means "confusion", allegedly derived from the root "balal" meaning to mix, and this sense is carried through even in our modern English word "Babble" as CampDavid correctly writes, meaning to speak incoherently. But like ALL glosses given in the Pentateuch, I encourage skepticism regarding its veracity.

    "Bab+Ilu" in Akkadian means "Gateway of the Gods", and this forgotten gateway theme is the first part of the story even in Genesis 11, where men attempted to build a tower "AS THEY JOURNEYED FROM THE EAST" in the plain of Shinar. I take this attempt at a "tower" (the "migdal" in Hebrew, from where probably is derived the word "magdalene" in the N.T.-also, it is interesting that "Har MEGIDDO", has this same tri-consonantal root) to be (as even exoteric Judeo-Christianity teaches) the FIRST ATTEMPT to "gather back" to "God" after the separation. This attempt was unsuccessful, as the "ship had already sailed", and the monad(s) were propelled onward by the satanic impulse, represented here by the "LORD" Yahweh.

    This confusion of speech carried on down to Moses, who was self-admittedly "slow of speech" (Ex. 4:10) Luckily, the wife given him by Jethro, Tzipporah, a "bird call", and birds are a designation of angels (I will give a multitude of examples if anyone asks, but a verse in Isa. [31:5] comes to mind: "As birds flying, so will the Yahweh Tzaba defend [ganan: "surround", "cover" compare Sanskrit "Gana": "flock", "troop", "tribe",
    "category"] Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it." These are in one sense three successive coverings of "Speech", the verse before this is: "For thus hath the LORD SPOKEN (AMAR) unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion ROARING (HAGAH) on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth (KARA) against him, he will not be afraid of their VOICE (KOWL), nor abase himself for the NOISE (HAMOWN) of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof."). Also, briefly I would cite Paul's line, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of ANGLES..." (I Cor. 13:1) and in Rev. 18:2 where Babylon has become the habitation of 1) devils, and the hold of every 2) foul spirit, and the "cage of every unclean 3) bird". Three types of "spiritual beings" are spoken of here, not two and one bird.

    I would also point out that, corresonding to Jerusalem in the Isaiah 31:5 verse, is the TOWER THAT IS ALSO A CITY in the Genesis/Babel passage in question:

    (11:4) "And they said, Go to, let us BUILD US A CITY AND a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven..." This city is rebuilt in Rev. 3:12:

    "Him that overcometh will I make a PILLAR(!?!?!) in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the NAME of my God, AND THE NAME OF THE CITY OF MY GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him MY NEW NAME."

    My NEW NAME? What ELSE did they want to make for themselves by building this in the Tower/City of Babel story again?:

    "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; AND LET US MAKE US A NAME, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

    Immediately following this episode is given the GENERATIONS OF SHEM ("shem" is Hebrew for NAME, as in the most reverent appalation for "G-d" in Judaism even today: "HaShem". This clearly demonstrates then that is not a literal tower, but an allegory for something more profound.

    Now, "Shinar" means "the land of two rivers". This is where the "SAPHA" (speech) became confounded (the idea of the "bicameral mind" that has been researched in recent years may not be far off this concept) but by "speech" here ("sapha") is meant the Logos, the Word, Verbum or VACH of Hinduism. Compare the root SAPHA with the kabbalistic concept of SEPHAra (SFR: enumerations, emnanations, numbers, "countings"... it also means "book"):

    "Ten SEPHAroth of nothing, one Spirit, living angels, blessed from blessed is the Name of He, for all worlds. Voice, Spirit, and Speech, this is the Holy Spirit." (Sepher Zohar)

    Compare this to what is said of Brahma-Vach:

    "Brahma-Vach Brahma-Vac (Sanskrit). The female aspect of Brahma; in another sense, the two aspects of the manifested Brahma working in union or conjointly, the energic and the vehicular, constantly interblending and cooperating. The Vach aspect therefore may be considered the female side of the cosmic Logos." (a Theospohical Dictionary)

    We are talking about the power of creation here, and its disappearance, only to become the empty shells of mantras and chants, a remnants of an ancient lost and occult knowledge of vibration/intonation and its product: CREATION. In Ex. 4 we can also see that this power is [at least] twice removed from its source, and so with this in mind the non-heeding of these words by Pharaoh now seems more plausible than that someone had "hardened his heart", which apparently occurred just so the grand display of signs and wonders would not be cut artificially short:

    14And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that HE can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.

    15And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.

    16And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, EVEN HE SHALL BE TO THEE INSTEAD OF A MOUTH, AND EVEN THOU SHALT BE TO HIM INSTEAD OF GOD.

    This theme is complemented in Ex. 20:19 when the children of Israel say to Moses, "Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die" for great is the power of the Creative Vach/D'birim/Logos.

    Before I leave off I wish to comment on verse 3, where it is written:

    "3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make (LABAN) brick (LEBENAH), and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter."

    The above should probably read, "Go make white bricks". "LABAN is "make white" and "LABANAH" is "white brick". compare this to Rev. 2:17:

    "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; TO HIM THAT OVERCOMETH will I give to eat of the hidden manna, AND WILL GIVE HIM A WHITE STONE (LABAN LABANAH), AND IN THE STONE A NEW NAME (SHEM) written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

    They failed in Shinar because they only had "brick (LABAN) for stone (EBEN)" and "slime (CHEMAR) for morter (CHOMAR)". This is all very poetic wording by the author, incidentally. Look closely at this:

    3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick (LABAN LABANAH), and burn (SERAPH) them thoroughly (SERAPHAH). And they had brick (LABAN) for stone (EBEN), and slime (CHEMAR) had they for morter (CHOMAR).

    "Seraph" means to burn with FIRE. They were trying to burn up the elemets before their time, as will happen at the last, but it was not time. From 2 Peter 3:

    10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a GREAT NOISE(?), and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    11Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be IN ALL HOLY CONVERSATION(?) and godliness,

    12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    Lastly, Christians acknowledge the creative power of sound not just in their prayers, but also in their very doctrine, with Jesus (or Christos) beong the LOGOS, and the Power therefore that created EVERYTHING:

    1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2The same was in the beginning with God.

    3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

    14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Col. 1:14-17)

    These are merely a few insights of my own, and this explanation itself on the subject is meagre, unsatisfactory and halfway allegorical. I urge sincere students to not only study but also to use your intuition that God gave you to interpret these (and all) biblical verses.

    This all gives new meaning to Jesus' injunction that "every idle word" will need "accounting for" in the day of judgement (Matt. 12:36)

    Thank you for reading Philo.
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  • Civic Minded 2009/03/22 02:50:08
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    The builders got the people to help build a tower so high it reached into the clouds. This was not done to glorify God, but rather to make man more important than God. So God confused their speech, creating peoples with different languages. Suddenly people could not understand one another. They dispersed to different places across the earth.
  • sktdriver77 PROUD RIGHT WIN... 2009/03/18 21:51:42
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    God saw them trying to reach Him by the "works of their hands" and He confused their language so they could not communicate and continue working on the Tower. I believe there is a lesson in this in that we still try to "work" our way to God when in fact it is through trusting in the shed Blood of Jesus ALONE that gives us entrance into Heaven. " For by GRACE are ye saved through faith a gift of God.....NOT of works lest any man should boast"
  • Civic M... sktdriv... 2009/03/22 02:51:50
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    Well said.
  • sktdriv... Civic M... 2009/03/22 02:53:07
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    Thank you Civic.
  • Jo sktdriv... 2009/06/03 23:49:25
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    I agree, and it's also man attempting to build a false unity that isn't grounded in the Lord. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost reversed what happened at Babel because now mankind had a source of true unity in the bond of the Holy Spirit.
  • sktdriv... Jo 2009/06/04 00:18:46
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    Amen...I agree with your perspective as well!!! Had never looked at it that way before. Thank you
  • Jo sktdriv... 2009/06/04 00:20:22
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    you're welcome
  • Chelsea 2009/03/18 21:48:49 (edited)
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  • CampDavid †DEO VALENTI † 2009/03/18 21:45:55
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    In GENESIS 11 it says...
    "They found a plain in Shinar, (Babylonia), and settled there."
    "...then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
    Which is exactly what God made happen to them. Even here in the Bible, Christ is refered to as he says-"Come, let US go down and confuse their language..."!(Genesis 11:7)
    Therefore we use the word "bable" to this day to refer to not understanding what one is saying.
    As for the tower itself, time has dealt with it. God has no need to "prove" anything to us. :)
    language genesis 117 bable refer understanding tower dealt god prove
  • Patrick... CampDav... 2009/06/05 15:03:57
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    Babel was the Talmud and all the jibberish/nonsense terror and horror done by the Pharisees





    Babel collapsed like a house of cards


    With the help of angels





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    With the help of angels

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  • Cleric_ of_Disarray 2009/03/18 14:27:15
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    One would think they stopped building it. Although it doesn't say.
  • Anouser 2009/03/16 09:26:31
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    Aliens had perceived mankind as a threat when they built a tower to reach the skies. So, the aliens came down on their flying saucers and destroyed the building so that man would not threaten to kill them.
  • SeaSparkzz 2009/03/16 05:43:02
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    Wasn't it in Babylon? I think I heard or read somewhere that remnants of what they thought was the tower of babel had been found.
    No one these days can really be sure what happened. All we have are the stories...
  • XENON23 2009/03/16 04:35:58
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    Not a clue
  • Silky pal of Jesus 2009/03/16 04:32:42
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    Divine intervention. God saw what was being done, and He made everyone speak a different tounge so that it could not be finished. The tower itself was made to crumble to the ground, and King Nimrod hit with a bolt of lightening. It was somewhere in Mesopotamia.
  • Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a... 2009/03/16 04:17:35
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    intervention happened, and wasn't it in what's known as Iraq today? more specifically wasn't it where Baghdad is today?
  • SeaSparkzz Bill - ... 2009/03/16 05:43:22
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    Babylon

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