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Should There Be An Athletic College Degree?

Mindwonderer 2010/03/01 15:40:18
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Shughart II said athletes should get an athletic degree. He says create a four-year degree program, extend the time limit on athletic scholarships and allow a competitive marketplace.
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  • StarrGazerr 2010/03/05 02:36:53
    NO
    StarrGazerr
    +5
    I think it is time for the nation to acknowledge that being able to stuff a ball in a hoop does not entitle someone to a degree supposedly based on academic achievement. The very fact that colleges are permitted to offer free tuition to someone because they can run fast while excluding a mathematical genius whose parents happen to be poor destroys the very concept of an "academic institution." We should recognize "college athletes" for what they are - aspiring performers - and stop trying to pretend that "EDUCATION" has anything to do with it. Anyone who has ever seen someone like Patrick Ewing trying to put a complete sentence together must cry out in shame that this person as a degree from Georgetown University hanging on his wall. Let the NFL and the NBA set up "minor leagues", pay these athletes a salary while they "study" their game, and leave actual Colleges for those who are there to actually learn something and do something productive with their lives.

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  • TruBluTopaz 2010/03/07 22:37:35
    NO
    TruBluTopaz
    Nothing makes me madder than seeing some marginal student get a full ride scholarship because of their one skill in athletics. I know of many kids who would excel in their fields, but who must hold off on education or give up the idea completely due to cost. Yet somehow state universities continue raising tuition and using fees for programs and services that only serve the athletes at the schools. It is time for universities and high schools to stop being farm teams for professional teams. We are raising a generation of intellectual morons whose parents willingly fork over thousands for training, special shoes, special camps but who can't be bothered to monitor their kids' lack of progress in academics. I fight this fight every year, and I am sick to death of football, basketball and other sports ruling every educational institution. Enough!
  • Sarah 2010/03/07 22:32:22
    None of the above
    Sarah
    i'm pretty sure there is like you could get a degree to be a p.e. teacher
  • TruBluT... Sarah 2010/03/07 22:40:10
    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    That would entail taking coursework in pedagogy, child behavior and psychology. I've had some of these kids in class. Beleive me, they couldn't cut it. Plus, my cousin used to get paid for taking tests for athletes at Texas A&M. While a few of these kids are smart enough to pass, too many of them have been so coddled by an educational system that sees more merit in a win loss record than an AP exam result that they have forgotten what it takes to learn a topic.
  • mistyblew 2010/03/06 23:12:02
    NO
    mistyblew
    some education is over rated.......i no iam going to get a bad look for that...
  • dink 2010/03/05 20:17:23
    NO
    dink
    They already have a way to the PROS through college sports. Other than that, they should concentrate on getting an education.
  • sjhorner 2010/03/05 18:54:58
    Yes
    sjhorner
    +1
    There is it is called NBA or NFL
  • EagleEye 2010/03/05 16:57:40 (edited)
    Undecided
    EagleEye
    ......There already is ......"UNDECIDED"

    undecided undecided "
  • oldcavpilot 2010/03/05 14:18:06
    NO
    oldcavpilot
    And if you don't get a pro job.....then what? What are you qualified to do? It's like the people giving this football scholarship athlete from Florida State grief because he's giving up his Senior year at FSU because he going to Oxford. They claim he's throwing away his chance at an ACC championship and a Pro career.....to go to Oxford.

    That's like saying you're abandoning your Community College to go to MIT. He made the school back their scholarship money; he owes them nothing. It's about the rest of your life, and education is the key. The best and most you can get.
  • Fr Kelsey Graham 2010/03/05 13:32:27
    NO
    Fr Kelsey Graham
    Sports is sports. We live in an entertainment crazed world. Sadly people are taught not to think -
  • Dani 2010/03/05 12:22:45
    Undecided
    Dani
    maybe but then whould be many as ther are there who particate.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2010/03/05 10:00:25
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    Maybe if they uphold a certain grade standard?
  • littlebuffalo55TBA 2010/03/05 08:49:43
    Undecided
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    "Patrick Ewing"? WTF? I give you: Jerry Rice, Bill Bradley, Irving Johnson, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Jackie Robinson and many others that have added more than athletic ability to society.

    With the right curriculum there may be potentail here. Some seem to be under the wild illusion that being a scholastic athlete is some cushy existence. NOT! It takes dicipline and alot of hard work. Often more than what some professor who begrudgingly lectures (often over-utilizing student helpers) while sponging off the institution to advance some personal agenda!

    Actually, I had guidence from a Mathmatical Genius who before becoming an inertial engineer for Northrop spent 10 years blocking for Jim Brown in Cleveland.
  • TruBluT... littleb... 2010/03/07 22:41:58
    TruBluTopaz
    Staubach was in a military academy and served his military years before entering pro ranks. That's much different than the kids who opt out of a scholarship after two years to go to the NBA. And for every Staubach there's a 100 mindless idiots in college athletics who think they are owed a living.
  • littleb... TruBluT... 2010/03/07 22:52:15
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    As there are mindless non-athletic students in the thousands doing very much the same thing! So your point is?

    I also never mentioned any opinion that an athlete student did not owe themselves & the institution anything less then a full 4 year commitment! Does not mean the whole idea of college athletics should be scrapped!
  • TruBluT... littleb... 2010/03/08 02:20:26
    TruBluTopaz
    My point is that we need to raise the standards back to where we do not have remedial classes in colleges, we need to insist that student athletes adhere to the same academic and honor code as other students and we need for universities to get realistic and stop building ivory towers on the back of taxpayers. Student athletes who get scholarships and leave before they graduate to pursue pro sports should have to pay back their scholarship to the institution. The problems are starting as early as middle school. I teach high school and I see these kids who are gifted athletes and many of them are given a smooth path just because they are on the team. As a society we need to get away from this worshipful attitude toward athletes and celebrities and start concentrating on what makes our society, our culture, our nation better. Right now most schools have the attitude that all high school graduates are destined for college. Instead we should provide access to pre-college classes for those students who are willing to do the work and provide meaningful vocational training for those kids who need to work the day after they graduate. There are plenty of jobs that pay good money that don't require college education. But our educational foundations are focused on just college for all kid...
    My point is that we need to raise the standards back to where we do not have remedial classes in colleges, we need to insist that student athletes adhere to the same academic and honor code as other students and we need for universities to get realistic and stop building ivory towers on the back of taxpayers. Student athletes who get scholarships and leave before they graduate to pursue pro sports should have to pay back their scholarship to the institution. The problems are starting as early as middle school. I teach high school and I see these kids who are gifted athletes and many of them are given a smooth path just because they are on the team. As a society we need to get away from this worshipful attitude toward athletes and celebrities and start concentrating on what makes our society, our culture, our nation better. Right now most schools have the attitude that all high school graduates are destined for college. Instead we should provide access to pre-college classes for those students who are willing to do the work and provide meaningful vocational training for those kids who need to work the day after they graduate. There are plenty of jobs that pay good money that don't require college education. But our educational foundations are focused on just college for all kids and that is creating a situation where curriculum is fluffed up and dumbed down to make it where some kids can pass even though they don't deserve it. I teach high school, and believe me, even in the burbs, kids cannot write, they cannot read and they will not extend themselves to work at either discipline.
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  • littleb... TruBluT... 2010/03/08 05:14:45
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    Oh I very much agree! Another part of the institutions goal of Ivory Towers is giving Tenure to Professors (all making nice 6 figure salaries) who are not good in the classroom if even there!

    I very much agree with you as far as the vocation thing! I sell CNC Machine Tools and part of the Flight of Industry Offshore is due to the lack of Enginerrs & Programmers and Operators for this equipment.It used to be Unions, Community Colleges & Industry worked together in this.

    Very nice to hear from somebody working hard inside the system that sees this! Ha.......where is the Stimulis Bucks? Eh?..... ;-)
  • TruBluT... littleb... 2010/03/08 13:28:10
    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    My kids, recent college grads. often got stuck in classes taught by grad students who had little or no teaching ability.
  • littleb... TruBluT... 2010/03/08 18:12:44
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    Exactly!
  • Naui 2010/03/05 03:33:05
  • Seth (crazy Iowan) *Burgundy* 2010/03/05 03:27:21
    Undecided
    Seth (crazy Iowan) *Burgundy*
    Sounds like a good idea, but really, what's it gonna do? Get them hired by professional sporting teams who wouldn't otherwise know of them for their abilities?
  • Eric ~ The Logician 2010/03/05 03:12:37
    Undecided
    Eric ~ The Logician
    I don't entirely understand.
  • Mikec 2010/03/05 03:00:00
    NO
    Mikec
    Hell no you go to college on a scholar ship and play sports too many F^&*$ing Dumbasses go instead thinking the world owes them yet they get involved in rape murder or illegal posession of drugs or what ever the least they can do is get a half ass education to learn to get themselves a decent lawyer.
  • StarrGazerr 2010/03/05 02:36:53
    NO
    StarrGazerr
    +5
    I think it is time for the nation to acknowledge that being able to stuff a ball in a hoop does not entitle someone to a degree supposedly based on academic achievement. The very fact that colleges are permitted to offer free tuition to someone because they can run fast while excluding a mathematical genius whose parents happen to be poor destroys the very concept of an "academic institution." We should recognize "college athletes" for what they are - aspiring performers - and stop trying to pretend that "EDUCATION" has anything to do with it. Anyone who has ever seen someone like Patrick Ewing trying to put a complete sentence together must cry out in shame that this person as a degree from Georgetown University hanging on his wall. Let the NFL and the NBA set up "minor leagues", pay these athletes a salary while they "study" their game, and leave actual Colleges for those who are there to actually learn something and do something productive with their lives.
  • Mikec StarrGa... 2010/03/05 03:01:37 (edited)
    Mikec
    You pin the tail on the ass Starr
  • Eric ~ ... StarrGa... 2010/03/05 03:19:09
    Eric ~ The Logician
    +1
    I completely agree. But memorizing that playbook is hard!

    completely memorizing playbook
  • StarrGa... Eric ~ ... 2010/03/05 12:42:08
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    I think they use the Palin method and just write the plays on their hands.
  • Eric ~ ... StarrGa... 2010/03/05 14:22:12
    Eric ~ The Logician
    yep
    yep
  • Leantom... StarrGa... 2010/03/05 07:00:22
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    Yes, but athletes make it into college on their own merits, too. They may not be literary or mathematical geniuses, but they still have talents that should be recognized by society.

    Also, have you ever considered the excess revenue made by colleges from sporting events? Do you have any idea what Michael Jordan was worth to UNC, or what Wilt Chamberlain meant to KU? I'll spell it out for you: L-O-T-S [space] O-F [space] M-O-N-E-Y. Without athletic events, the tuition rates would be much more than what they currently are - i.e., the colleges would have to make up for lost revenue.
  • StarrGa... Leantom... 2010/03/05 12:41:19
    StarrGazerr
    If someone can get into college based on academic merit, and then want to participate in sports, that's fine. But the key point is academic merit. To admit someone to college based on their athletic ability without ascertaining whether they are literate and can add is a betrayal of every other student that got in based on academic qualifications. I wouldn't BAN sports, of course. Perfect examples of genuine students who are also athletes are all over the place - Bill Bradley, for instance, graduated Princeton and was a Rhodes Scholar, and was also a pretty good basketball player. But Bradley did not get into Princeton because he could play basketball. (In fact, Ivy League schools do not award athletic scholarships.)
  • Leantom... StarrGa... 2010/03/05 07:01:34
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    Oh, but the "athletic degree" is bullshit. I agree with you there.
  • WGN 2010/03/05 01:56:34
    NO
    WGN
    Athletics should be downplayed at the college level. Education first, athletics third or fourth.
    The society has become athletic "show" oriented, with so called athletes getting far too much notoriety and money. It has become a business that overshadows the purpose of the educational institution.
  • Mikec WGN 2010/03/05 03:03:23
    Mikec
    yes WGN you are absoulety right but you have to agree the colleges make afortune off their sports programs sad bu true
  • WGN Mikec 2010/03/05 03:18:22
    WGN
    I attended a large school in the 60's that was ECAC division III, I played soccer and baseball, we had no scholarships for athletics. It was fun, but education came first. The school was/is heavily endowed, and didn't/doesn't need money from "athletics".
  • Mikec WGN 2010/03/05 03:23:52
    Mikec
    WOW that`s a rarity now days
  • Nancy 2010/03/05 01:35:59
    NO
    Nancy
    I think Roundabout has the answer.
  • Roundabout ~ Pepe is my soc... 2010/03/05 00:58:47
    NO
    Roundabout ~ Pepe is my sock puppet
    No, but a degree in coaching, sports education, sports medicine are worthy. If someone is talented enough to get into the pros they will get the job without a degree. It would be better if they had a degree in something else they could then plan for later in life.
  • virtuallad12 2010/03/05 00:48:53
    NO
    virtuallad12
    Absoluty not!! This is something that u cna do by urselff. For their to be a exam and all the pressure of having to passs and yet if u fail you become even more discouraged. Thats a joke it really is. You should not need a education to become a athlete or a professional sports player! Anything to squeezr money out of people.
  • Dude 2010/03/05 00:44:45
    NO
    Dude
    How about for being a mascot or an athletic supporter.
  • WGN Dude 2010/03/05 03:19:20
    WGN
    As for being an athletic supporter, my cup runneth over!
  • helenros 2010/03/05 00:32:34
    NO
    helenros
    There ought to be a non-college venue for talented athletes who aren't academically inclined to be spotted by professional sports scouts without taking up space in the universities which should be offered to serious students.

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