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Saints BountyGate: Should Sean Payton Be Fired?

Sports 2012/03/06 16:07:26
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With all of the controversy caused by the NFL's investigation of the New Orleans Saints' bounty system, many questions remain. For those that do not know, the Saints from 2009-2011 (and possible earlier than that) instilled a bounty system amongst players and coaches. Pretty much, a player or coach (in this case former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams) would put up $1,000 or however much, for a specific type of hit.

What makes this even worse, on top of violating the NFL's agreement with the Player's Association (NFLPA), is that head coach Sean Payton knew about this when it was all going on. Many journalists and fans of the game have called for the Super Bowl-winning coach to be fired for his actions. But should he be?

There is a precedent set in a head coach not getting fired, even with a ton of controversy attached to their name. That one was set by New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick in 2007-2008, when the NFL released details about SpyGate -- which revealed the Pats spied on other teams' practices as far as 2001. There were significant fines handed down to the coach and his team, but no firings -- at least not publicly. The Saints may fire employees internally, but Coach Sean Payton? His job may be safe -- for now.

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  • sick'n'tired PWCM 2012/03/07 23:12:49
    No
    sick'n'tired PWCM
    Fines and two year ban from play off contention.
  • Manster 2012/03/07 20:09:49
    No
    Manster
    But he should take a hard hit to his salary in the form of a fine!Just as Bill Bellichick had to do for "video gate!"
  • todd.st... Manster 2012/03/27 17:59:42
    todd.stockslager
    +2
    Bellichick got fined a few hundred thousand, pocket change for him. Payton and Williams are suspended for a full year! If I was a Saints fan I would be outraged. Such a double standard. Bellichick should have gotten the full year suspension and Payton and Williams the small fine.
  • Manster todd.st... 2012/03/27 18:16:22
    Manster
    I think Goodell is being too "smart" for his own good! He's setting the league up for a HUGE lawsuit, because of the disparity in penalties. Tagliabue was in charge during "Spygate",and many other infractions that weren't dealt with as harshly as this dude has!
  • carlton999 2012/03/07 19:52:01
    No
    carlton999
    the man is a great coach and he wins games. he is not going anywhere.
  • wilsonmja 2012/03/07 19:47:06
    No
    wilsonmja
    I personally think the whole thing is being overblown. I see nothing in the story that says that players were encouraged to take cheap shots. No, they were encouraged to play hard and hit hard like a defender should do. Stop pretending like taking an opposing QB out of the game is not celebrated by the entire team. It's an added bonus to hitting hard and playing hard. Fact: you have a better chance of winning if the opposing team's backup QB is in.
  • Justin.Long 2012/03/07 19:36:13
    No
    Justin.Long
    So we can now get In trouble for adding incentives to doing ones job
  • Gregaj7 2012/03/07 19:28:15
    No
    Gregaj7
    +1
    I see this as the singling out of one team, when it is the strongest of probabilities that the entire league is doing this.
  • wilsonmja Gregaj7 2012/03/07 19:47:58
  • Superman 2012/03/07 19:20:44
    No
    Superman
    +1
    So let me get this straight. We're discussing players who already draw a salary fo hitting people as hard as they possibly can right? And the problem we're discussing is an organized system of basically bonus money off the books if a player makes a key third down hit or a hard qb sack - things they are ALREADY going to try and do?

    Why are people worked up about this? Is it literally just the word bounty? Is that all the problem?

    Look, we're not talking about illegal hits here. Why would a player make an illegal hit so he can get 500 bucks as the NFL fines him 1000? Seriously? We're talking about legal hits in key situations.

    A lot of businesses have bonus structures in place on top of salaries. Thats basically what this is. Its the same theory.

    The only problem is that the NFL doesn't allow it so its against the rules. The bonus part, again, not the hits.

    So Peyton and the Saints and Williams should be punished with some fines, loss of picks and suspensions for breaking one of the Leagues arbitrary rules.

    BUT this isn't a situation to get hyper sensitive over because the bonus system DOESN'T affect the violence in the game. Again, we're talking about legal hits that would still happen absent a bonus system, formal or informal.

    My question is if other business...
    So let me get this straight. We're discussing players who already draw a salary fo hitting people as hard as they possibly can right? And the problem we're discussing is an organized system of basically bonus money off the books if a player makes a key third down hit or a hard qb sack - things they are ALREADY going to try and do?

    Why are people worked up about this? Is it literally just the word bounty? Is that all the problem?

    Look, we're not talking about illegal hits here. Why would a player make an illegal hit so he can get 500 bucks as the NFL fines him 1000? Seriously? We're talking about legal hits in key situations.

    A lot of businesses have bonus structures in place on top of salaries. Thats basically what this is. Its the same theory.

    The only problem is that the NFL doesn't allow it so its against the rules. The bonus part, again, not the hits.

    So Peyton and the Saints and Williams should be punished with some fines, loss of picks and suspensions for breaking one of the Leagues arbitrary rules.

    BUT this isn't a situation to get hyper sensitive over because the bonus system DOESN'T affect the violence in the game. Again, we're talking about legal hits that would still happen absent a bonus system, formal or informal.

    My question is if other businesses allow for bonus structures like this, why not the NFL? Players already do get bonus structures built into contracts for achieving particular milestones in TDs or tackles. Those are individual situations. Why not allow teams to reward key plays in key games like this?
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  • carlton999 Superman 2012/03/07 19:58:07
    carlton999
    well said. if the hits were so illegal the refs would have penalized them on the spot. everyone saw all the slight head taps on the QB get called this year. at the end of the day football is a violent game.
  • Superman carlton999 2012/03/07 20:18:48
    Superman
    +1
    The League is working hard to define more and more whats legal and acceptable on field and what isn't. Some people may think they are over legislating and thats an interesting debate point.

    But if we're not talking here about repeated premeditated and unpunished illegal hits than this is a petty rules violation. Some of these guys are going to lose a years time but personally I see this as a 2-4 gamer.

    Whats interesting is the heat on the Saints for "bounties" and legal hits while no one cares about the NFL and what they do.

    If this issue were at teh foundation about player support and saftey in an inherently violent game then the NFL retirement pension and medical support program would be beefed up for retired players with chronic injuries - especially injuries that occured before Goodell started making the league "safer". Those people should be cared for if people REALLY care about players.

    They aren't.

    And then theres a player like HUnter Hillenmeyer who the NFL forced to retire at the end of last season due to concussion issues. League rules say that he should be eligible for an early retirement bonus of up to 1 million dollars. When he went to claim it he was denied because it had been long enough for him to no longer have symptoms. Though he still can't play.... Seriously?
  • wicked soda boy 2012/03/07 18:44:38
    Yes
    wicked soda boy
    From what I've heard, and without knowing all the facts, I think the League (Roger Goodell) should suspend Sean Payton AND Greg Williams for a year, with no pay of course. I also think Drew Brees should be banned from being a Players' Union Representative permanently, and effective immediately.
    The Saints team should be heavily fined, and should forfeit at least one draft choice.
  • DeborahLakeHelen 2012/03/07 18:42:31
    Yes
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +1
    Along with the cartel who hired him!
  • mal 2012/03/07 18:23:07
    Yes
    mal
    Potential career ending injuries and payton knew ! Fire him for sure,,,,,,
  • Fef 2012/03/07 18:11:54
    Yes
    Fef
    +2
    If Roger Goodel and the NFL wants to act seriously about player injuries, they need to levy a serious punishment to the players and coaches involved. Fire them all and ban them from NFL football forever.
  • sick'n'... Fef 2012/03/07 23:10:12
    sick'n'tired PWCM
    And ban the Raiders and imprison their fans!! By God!! Wait I'm a Raiders fan.
  • jacktown kid 2012/03/07 16:15:18
    No
    jacktown kid
    NO WAY
  • joe mauro 2012/03/07 04:24:45
    No
    joe mauro
    of course not!This has been going on for decades
  • Kozman 2012/03/07 04:04:00
    No
    Kozman
    Fired No. Draft picks and a suspension Yes.
  • t.eliot, topbard 2012/03/07 01:30:12
    No
    t.eliot, topbard
    +1
    Fired? Probably not, but a suspension would be warranted, and Gregg Williams should have the book thrown at him. At least a year's suspension and maybe more.
  • wicked ... t.eliot... 2012/03/07 18:46:12
    wicked soda boy
    I agree, because the suspension would ressult in his being fired.
  • smitty 2012/03/06 23:26:35
    Yes
    smitty
    +1
    Idiots shouldn't be in charge.
  • P. Sturm 2012/03/06 23:26:34
    No
    P. Sturm
    +1
    No way. What's good for Belichick is good for any other coach. If you wanted to can them it should have started there.
  • prosperhappily 2012/03/06 21:36:06
    No
    prosperhappily
    No, he shouldn't be fired. but, I could see fines and suspensions.

    It also raises an interesting legal question. Football is supposed to be a tough sport. But, you are not supposed to intentionally injure an opponent. If you do so, is that grounds for a lawsuit?
  • Markie 2012/03/06 21:21:26
    No
    Markie
    +2
    They should make him coach the San Diego Chargers and then he will want to quit!
  • Manster Markie 2012/03/07 20:14:48
    Manster
    +1
    That's hilarious! lmao
  • Markie Manster 2012/03/08 15:59:24
    Markie
    +1
    Go Chargers, I really mean go away!!!
  • Manster Markie 2012/03/08 17:46:50
    Manster
    WOW! Do you want them to be the new team in LA?
  • GM England 2012/03/06 17:48:10
    No
    GM England
    +1
    Nope,, It's the nature of the business. Stuff like this goes on more than we want to believe it does. But it is bad for our next generation of kids growing up playing sports .. These guys are their hero's ..
  • Rono 2012/03/06 17:23:16
    Yes
    Rono
    He should, but he won't! Very unethical and unprofessional! New Orleans are not Saints
    And the are supposed to be The New Orleans Saints? New Orleans no Demons

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