The definition of what constitutes abuse is sliding so far that soon picking one's nose in front of kids will be considered abuse worthy of State intervention!
There are definite cases in which the State needs to protect kids from their parents. But unless the kids are in physical danger, sexual danger, or their health is in jeopardy, parents should pretty much rule how their kids are raised without fear that some government agency is going to snatch the kids.
PUBLIC OPINION > Octomom's Kids Should Be Taken Away
SodaHead Celebs
2012/04/26 13:00:00
Nadya "Octomom" Suleman has 14 kids, and her money troubles are no private matter. When she posed nude for a tabloid in December, she said it was for the money. But just how bad is she hurting? Based on a handful of photographs TMZ got a hold of recently, pretty friggin' bad. Her walls are covered in graffiti, she's got training toilets out back, the kids appear dirty and pantless, and there are even some shots of a door wedged shut by a chair. It was bad enough to get the Orange County Department of Children and Family Services on the case, so we asked the public if she should lose custody.
As much as it pains some of us to say it, those kids might need stability more than they need their mommy. The pictures are bad, and her public persona doesn't do much to quell suspicion. The pictures were reportedly taken by her hairstylist, and the Top Opinion noted, "[Am I] the only one who has a problem with her being able to afford a HAIR STYLIST while her kids live this way?" There are clearly some confused priorities in place here. On the other hand, it's tough to condone prying kids from the hands of their mother, especially when you don't know the whole story. Not everyone was willing to make the call.
No Sympathy From Young Voters
Not only did the youngest voters support taking Suleman's children away from her, but pretty much every age group under 45 was two-thirds in favor. Older voters were about 21% less likely on average, but even then it was a few points below a split decision. No demographic weighed too heavily in Suleman's favor.
Not only did the youngest voters support taking Suleman's children away from her, but pretty much every age group under 45 was two-thirds in favor. Older voters were about 21% less likely on average, but even then it was a few points below a split decision. No demographic weighed too heavily in Suleman's favor.Parents Get a Little Protective
Though support for removing the kids from her custody ran well into parenting age, when we separated the parents specifically we found less enthusiasm. Parents were 21% more sympathetic to Suleman. Few parents can bear to pull kids away from their parents. Those without kids were less able to put themselves in her shoes.
Though support for removing the kids from her custody ran well into parenting age, when we separated the parents specifically we found less enthusiasm. Parents were 21% more sympathetic to Suleman. Few parents can bear to pull kids away from their parents. Those without kids were less able to put themselves in her shoes.Drinkers Don't Trust Octomom
Interestingly enough, the voters you might presume to have the most questionable judgment were significantly more likely to throw up a red flag. Drinkers were 18% more likely to say Octomom's kids should be taken away. Smokers also leaned more toward lost custody, but only by 5%.
Interestingly enough, the voters you might presume to have the most questionable judgment were significantly more likely to throw up a red flag. Drinkers were 18% more likely to say Octomom's kids should be taken away. Smokers also leaned more toward lost custody, but only by 5%.If you'd like to vote on this question, dig deeper into the demographics, or engage in existing discussion about the topic, visit our poll about Octomom. We'd love to hear from you!
Top Opinion
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cellophane 2012/04/26 16:22:09
This will just make you cringe.The new breadwinner in the family...
An
emergency room physician told me that a woman in
her late 20's came to the ER in
Illinois today with her
8th pregnancy.
She told
the first doctor she saw: "My Mama told me that
I am the
breadwinner for the family." He asked
her to explain. She said that she can make
babies and babies get money from the State for
the family. It goes like this:
The Grandma calls the Department of Child &
Family Services, and states that the unemployed
daughter is not capable of caring for all of her
kids.
DCFS agrees, and tells her the
children will need
to go into foster care.
The Grandma then
volunteers to be the foster
parent, and receives a check for
each child, each month in
Illinois . It is tax-free and nobody
has to go to work!
Not
to mention free healthcare (Medicaid), plus a
monthly card entitling them to free groceries
and a voucher for 250 free Obamaphone minutes
each month. This does not include WIC and other
welfare benefits...that they are "entitled" to.
Indeed, Grandma
was correct that her fertile daughter is the
"breadwinner" for the family.
This is how the liberal
politicians spend our tax d...
This will just make you cringe.The new breadwinner in the family...
An
emergency room physician told me that a woman in
her late 20's came to the ER in
Illinois today with her
8th pregnancy.
She told
the first doctor she saw: "My Mama told me that
I am the
breadwinner for the family." He asked
her to explain. She said that she can make
babies and babies get money from the State for
the family. It goes like this:
The Grandma calls the Department of Child &
Family Services, and states that the unemployed
daughter is not capable of caring for all of her
kids.
DCFS agrees, and tells her the
children will need
to go into foster care.
The Grandma then
volunteers to be the foster
parent, and receives a check for
each child, each month in
Illinois . It is tax-free and nobody
has to go to work!
Not
to mention free healthcare (Medicaid), plus a
monthly card entitling them to free groceries
and a voucher for 250 free Obamaphone minutes
each month. This does not include WIC and other
welfare benefits...that they are "entitled" to.
Indeed, Grandma
was correct that her fertile daughter is the
"breadwinner" for the family.
This is how the liberal
politicians spend our tax dollars. When this
generous program was invented in the '60s, the
Great Society architects forgot to craft
an end date...
and now we are hopelessly
overrun with people who vote only for those who
will continue to keep them on the dole....
No wonder our country is broke!
Read the above again, until it sinks in, and then ask yourself if your Children, Grandchildren, and Great Grandchildren will survive these severe changes to America !!!
Are You alarmed yet? Is anybody listening?
Is this a GREAT COUNTRY or
what...?
Don't forget to pay your
taxes!
There
are a lot of "breadwinners"
depending on
you!
Illinois..... $361 $369 $369 $369 $369 $384 $384 $410 $410 $410 $445 $445 $445 $445 $445 (starting at age UNDER 1 TO AGE 16+)
Afams sisters have been doing this of a longtime this is a crime and a damn shame!! Taking her children will solve nothing, she can start her family all over again. This lady needs to be put on the RED CARPET OF SHAME AND USED AS A EXAMPLE FOR OTHER LOOSE LEGGED UMARRIED LADIES. NO MORE FREE BIRTHS FOR HER.
I do not agree with how she conceived here little ones, but the truth is that she gave birth to them and they are here; it’s not the children’s fault. I do feel bad for their situation and if
I had money I’d help them.
She might not deserve anything, but her children are truly innocent of her choices. I pray that they get financial help and that they are not taken away from their mother.
Lastly, I also pray that this matter wakes her up and she does the right thing for her children.
God Bless…
PBWY
Why not send a social worker to help teach her parenting and housekeeping skills? No, you'd rather waste the tax dollars on keeping the children stuck in the system.
There are definite cases in which the State needs to protect kids from their parents. But unless the kids are in physical danger, sexual danger, or their health is in jeopardy, parents should pretty much rule how their kids are raised without fear that some government agency is going to snatch the kids.
So her house is messy... it's not like she's living in filth. Potty chairs in the back yard? Sounds smart, considering she has little ones who would be at toilet training age... probably prevents them from soiling themselves and sitting in a mess. We're awful quick to make snap judgements.
So while there is such a thing as emotional abuse, I don't think it should be considered except in very, very extreme cases.
I spent a few years working in childcare and was stunned when I was scolded for putting a child in time out (the child had her pants down and was rubbing her bottom on another child's face). What the hell are parents and caregivers supposed to do??
My concern with these kids is how greedy their mom is. Unsanitary conditions, no plumbing and their mom using the money to stay "beautiful". Lack of money responsibility she has, gives the appearance of neglect.
But if the kids are cared for.. more power to her.
The reason for my response to you is when I was a kid I built a toilet in my back yard in the bushes. That was my potty.. well till the parents found out.