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Is water baptism necessary for salvation?

ALFONZA LEWIS 2013/06/08 22:25:45
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  • Jason - CoG 2014/03/08 13:28:42
    Jason - CoG
    No - the act of baptism is only a public witness to the salvation that has already taken place within.
  • Dale 2013/08/14 15:09:12
    Dale
    Yes. Jesus said in John 3 that a man must be born again of water and of spirit in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus also said in Matthew 28:19 to go forth to every nation teaching and baptizing then in the name (not the names) of the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost. In Acts 2, Peter told the crowd on the day of Pentecost to "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38). Baptism is a very important step in savaltion, as it washes away the sin we repent of and makes us new. It is not just symbolic but a Biblical step of being saved.
  • ALFONZA... Dale 2013/08/22 02:24:59 (edited)
    ALFONZA LEWIS
    Do you belong to the United Pentecostal Church? They hold similar beliefs.

    "Jesus said in John 3 that a man must be born again of water and of spirit in order to enter the kingdom of heaven."
    I suggest you read the following: Baptism and John 3:5, by Matt Slick at the following link ( http://carm.org/baptism-and-j... )

    "Jesus also said in Matthew 28:19 to go forth to every nation teaching and baptizing then in the name (not the names) of the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost."
    "1. 'the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit': use of the definite article before each personal noun indicates distinct persons unless explicitly stated otherwise, compare Rev. 1:17; 2:8,26.
    "2. The views that 'Father' and 'Son' are distinct persons but not the Holy Spirit, or that the Holy Spirit is not a person at all, or that all three are different offices or roles of one person, are impossible in view of the grammar (together with the fact that in Scripture a 'spirit' is a person unless context shows otherwise).
    "3. Does singular 'name' prove that the three are one person? No; cf. Gen. 5:2; 11:4; 48:6; and esp. 48:16.
    "4. 'Name' need not be personal name, may be title: Isa. 9:6; Matt. 1:23. if a single personal name is sought, the name shared by all three persons is 'Yahweh' or 'Jehovah.' "
    --Bowman, Robe...




















    Do you belong to the United Pentecostal Church? They hold similar beliefs.

    "Jesus said in John 3 that a man must be born again of water and of spirit in order to enter the kingdom of heaven."
    I suggest you read the following: Baptism and John 3:5, by Matt Slick at the following link ( http://carm.org/baptism-and-j... )

    "Jesus also said in Matthew 28:19 to go forth to every nation teaching and baptizing then in the name (not the names) of the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost."
    "1. 'the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit': use of the definite article before each personal noun indicates distinct persons unless explicitly stated otherwise, compare Rev. 1:17; 2:8,26.
    "2. The views that 'Father' and 'Son' are distinct persons but not the Holy Spirit, or that the Holy Spirit is not a person at all, or that all three are different offices or roles of one person, are impossible in view of the grammar (together with the fact that in Scripture a 'spirit' is a person unless context shows otherwise).
    "3. Does singular 'name' prove that the three are one person? No; cf. Gen. 5:2; 11:4; 48:6; and esp. 48:16.
    "4. 'Name' need not be personal name, may be title: Isa. 9:6; Matt. 1:23. if a single personal name is sought, the name shared by all three persons is 'Yahweh' or 'Jehovah.' "
    --Bowman, Robert M., Jr. The Biblical Basis Of The Doctrine Of The Trinity: An Outline Study.

    "In Acts 2, Peter told the crowd on the day of Pentecost to "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38)."
    "But notice [in the Acts 2:38 passage of Scripture] the key word 'repent.' The basic demand is for a person to agree with God that his sin is a violation of God's moral law and to turn in faith to Jesus Christ.
    In addition, in this verse the preposition 'for' [eis] in the phrase 'for the remission of sins' seldom means 'in order to.' It's basic meaning is 'with a view toward' or 'in relation to.' "
    --Radio Bible Class Study Booklet
    "The word "at" is the preposition eis, translated as "for" in Acts 2:38. Obviously the men of Nineveh did not repent to get the preaching of Jonah. Rather, they repented because Jonah had preached. [they repented at the preaching of Jonah, Mt.12:41] The preaching occurred before the repentance. Likewise, the remission of sins in Acts 2:38 happened before the practice of water baptism."
    --http://www.backtothebible.o...

    "Baptism is a very important step in savaltion, as it washes away the sin we repent of and makes us new."
    "That temporal salvation by the ark was a type of the eternal salvation of believers by baptism of the Holy Spirit. To prevent mistakes, the apostle declares what he means by saving baptism; not the outward ceremony of washing with water, [not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience,1 Pet. 3:21] which, in itself, does no more than put away the filth of the flesh, but that baptism, of which the baptismal water formed the sign. Not the outward ordinance, but when a man, by the regeneration of the Spirit, was enabled to repent and profess faith, and purpose a new life, uprightly, and as in the presence of God...But many who were baptized, and constantly attended the ordinances, have remained without Christ, died in their sins, and are now past recovery. Rest not then till thou art cleansed by the Spirit of Christ and the blood of Christ. His resurrection from the dead is that whereby we are assured of purifying and peace."
    --Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on 1 Peter 3:21

    It's important to note that the New Testament never presents baptism before salvation. But it does give an example of people who were saved before getting baptized. "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 'Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?' And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days."
    --Acts 10:44–48

    If baptism were necessary for salvation, then the Holy Spirit would not be a gift (receive the gift of the Holy Ghost).
    Notice that in The Great Commission they were to make disciples first and then afterwards to baptize them. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." Matthew 28:19
    Baptism is not an essential part of the Gospel. "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel" (1 Cor. 1:17).

    Although water baptism is important, and required of every believer. The New Testament does not teach that water baptism is necessary for salvation.
    I agree with the following statement: "My heart is burdened for those who really love the Lord but who through ignorance or fear are being cheated out of their inheritance."
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  • Zippcodey 2013/06/13 17:22:57
    Zippcodey
    People that heard the word and believed that Yahweh was the Messiah, asked for forgiveness of their transgressions then they were baptized in water for the remission of those transgressions. It was at this time they became apprentices for the Spirit infilling, they were not saved at this time, yet Yahweh's Spirit guided them, IF they stayed true to the time of their infilling. No one without the Spirit infilling was Yahweh's. At the time they were filled with Yahweh's Spirit is when they became His.

    Yahweh's Spirit taught them all things where no man needed to teach them. When they received Yahweh's Spirit is when they became disciples and went about teaching the Word of Yahweh. Once they were filled and they turned their back on Yahweh that is the unpardonable transgression scriptures speak of. There was no more salvation for that person. As you will see, they were not taught by man, like the preachers of today are, we know today only man's wisdom, it is not Yahweh's.

    If you read Acts you will see what the true believers in Yahweh were like, these so called Spirit filled Pentecostals of today have not the Spirit of Yahweh in them, matter of fact there is no one today that has it, the latter rain will be poured out once again during the Tribulation Period.

    In Acts, people were healed and whole cities turned to Yahweh, all kinds of miracles where done, through the power of the Spirit of Yahweh. Christianity is a lie of Rome.
  • Tordgaard 2013/06/09 03:26:43
  • Walt 2013/06/09 02:15:43
    Walt
    Baptism is symbolic. Symbolism never kept anyone from being saved.
  • joe keeney 2013/06/09 00:39:25
    joe keeney
    John the baptist thought so. As did Jesus.
  • ALFONZA... joe keeney 2013/06/14 03:40:57
    ALFONZA LEWIS
    +1
    "John can do no more than baptize with water, in token that they ought to purify and cleanse themselves; but Christ can, and will baptize with the Holy Ghost; he can give the Spirit, to cleanse and purify the heart, not only as water washes off the dirt on the outside, but as fire clears out the dross that is within, and melts down the metal, that it may be cast into a new mould." --Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

    "But the entire system of Jewish, proselyte, and Johannine baptisms was in the mind of both Nicodemus and Christ. These were all symbolic of the confession and repentance, which are the universal human conditions of pardon, and, as a ritual, were allowed to his disciples before and after Pentecost, as anticipatory of the great gift of the Holy Spirit." --Pulpit Commentary

    Please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved:

    Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
    Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
    Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
    Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes ...















    "John can do no more than baptize with water, in token that they ought to purify and cleanse themselves; but Christ can, and will baptize with the Holy Ghost; he can give the Spirit, to cleanse and purify the heart, not only as water washes off the dirt on the outside, but as fire clears out the dross that is within, and melts down the metal, that it may be cast into a new mould." --Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

    "But the entire system of Jewish, proselyte, and Johannine baptisms was in the mind of both Nicodemus and Christ. These were all symbolic of the confession and repentance, which are the universal human conditions of pardon, and, as a ritual, were allowed to his disciples before and after Pentecost, as anticipatory of the great gift of the Holy Spirit." --Pulpit Commentary

    Please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved:

    Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
    Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
    Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
    Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
    Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
    Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
    Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
    Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."

    Paul tells us that he came to preach the gospel (that saves 1 Cor. 15:1-4).
    And if you read those verses you'll see that water baptism is not included in the description of the gospel.

    But what does he say about water baptism:

    "I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." (1 Cor. 1:14-17).

    If baptism is necessary for salvation, then why did Paul downplay it and even exclude it from the description of what is required for salvation?

    See the article, Baptism and John 3:5
    by Matt Slick
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  • joe keeney ALFONZA... 2013/06/14 14:36:31
    joe keeney
    It have have been that cleanliness is next to Godliness that water was used. THANKS
  • Sing_it_Out 2013/06/08 22:52:18
    Sing_it_Out
    +2
    No. It's meant to be symbolic of being cleansed and reborn in Christ. The only requirement for salvation is accepting Him as Lord and Saviour.
  • kobidob... Sing_it... 2013/06/09 03:39:30
    kobidobidog
    +1
    The works follow.
  • Sing_it... kobidob... 2013/06/11 18:38:19
    Sing_it_Out
    +1
    Very true. Works aren't a requirement, but when you accept Christ The Holy Spirit inspires you to do good works. It's not something done out of obligation. God sees our heart and wants us to do good works out of joy and a desire to do His will and love others.
    Salvation is not earned. Not by ceremonies and not by works. That is made clear when scriptures are read in their full context. Those things are a reflection of and example of our faith. God does delight in them (when they're not empty actions), but does not require them.
  • kobidob... Sing_it... 2013/06/12 01:12:03
    kobidobidog
    +2
    That can happen before the psychical baptism. The baptism therefore is symbolic of what has already happened. God does not delight in a person doing evil using mans law to oppress or perverting his word to do the same. There are some that think that is a good work . Empty actions are doing what seem to be good works just going through the motions not having charity 1 Corinthians 13,4, KJV.
  • Sister Jean 2013/06/08 22:27:13
    Sister Jean
    +1
    there is also desire and blood
  • kobidob... Sister ... 2013/06/09 03:44:20
    kobidobidog
    +1
    OH yea blood the catholic church thinks of blood. What else should we expect? Circumcision the KJV says is not necessary 9 times old and new combined. That is ignored. The body in its fallen state have ears that are never satisfied a mouth never satisfied. Eyes always wanting to see. It is the state of the fallen body.

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