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Is the Upcoming 'Tomb Raider' Game Sexist?

SodaHead Gaming 2012/06/21 20:00:00
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Lara Croft, star of the popular "Tomb Raider" franchise, is probably one of the best-known video game heroines to date. She even got a couple of film spin-offs starring Angelina Jolie. But an upcoming reboot game, titled simply "Tomb Raider," is receiving criticism for trying to reshape the character by explaining her past. Some are even claiming that the new back story is sexist.

The new game will focus on Lara Croft's life evolution into a battle-hardened heroine. According to producer Ron Rosenberg, the game shows her "turning into a cornered animal" and almost getting raped. The idea is to show how Croft became the strong person that she is in the series, but critics argue that it's taking advantage of the character's gender and "painting woman as particularly vulnerable." Do you think the plot point concerning Lara Croft in "Tomb Raider" is sexist?

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  • vicb626 2012/06/21 20:40:05
    No
    vicb626
    +11
    If anything the games are becoming artistic and entertaining because of the realism. I find the new heroine refreshing because of her human frailness and vulnerabilities and the overcoming of her circumstances. We (Tomb Raider fans) get to see (and hopefully be a part of) her evolution into the kick @#& character we've come to love. I say good job and I look forward to this game in the fall. First they didn't like the bouncing boobs and hot pants, okay i get that. But now this? Acceptable is what consumers deem it, not some whinny, PC nannies. If this is not your cup of tea you can always go play an E or better yet an EC rated game, let the grown ups play what we like and leave us alone.

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  • Noobcake 2012/06/22 01:41:01
    Yes
    Noobcake
    +1
    For the same reason Torchy listed below me.

    Isn't it plausible that she has always been kickass? Why did she have to go through a transformation at all? And if she DID, why did it have to be a sexual one when there are a whole slew of traumatic experiences that could have the potential to craft her into the unrelenting bad-ass she is? I get that she is sex on legs and a "fantasy" but attempted-rape-victim as part of her persona seems stupid and unnecessary.
  • Scott ヶ... Noobcake 2012/06/22 02:37:51 (edited)
    Scott ヶBrony Of PHAETヶ
    +5
    People are hanging around the apparent attempted-rape scene that is about 5-10 seconds long, way too much, and it isn't the main focus of the game, nor is it the only traumatic experiences Lara faces during her journey. it might be the last straw/turning point but from trailers and what i saw at E3, she survives a ship-wreck, gets beaten, thrown, stabbed, watches her friend die and then eventually kills someone in self defence. Then has to go on and try to survive.

    It's her origin story, realistic people aren't naturally bad-ass, gymnastic, survival, killing machines. They become that, and she would be a very bland character if she didn't under go a struggle and this is the story of how a survivor is born.
  • RoyJLores Scott ヶ... 2012/06/22 04:59:47
    RoyJLores
    Exactly. Look at Batman begins.
  • Noobcake Scott ヶ... 2012/06/22 11:09:30
    Noobcake
    +1
    I see your point and I'm glad to hear she goes through other traumatic experiences (that sounds horrible, but you know what I mean) that change her up until the attempted-rape incident. That makes a world of difference. I have seen the teaser trailer but it was not so detailed and a long time ago.

    On another note, action-adventure heroes aren't exactly known for their backstories (Kratos is the only one I can think of that is) and the tomb raider games haven't suffered any lack of sales or popularity for Lara's lack of a backstory up until this point. I'm not saying that on that basis they shouldn't provide an origin story, of course.

    Also, thanks for not responding like an ass. I do really appreciate you taking the time to share your opinion with me in a respectful manner.
  • BongRipper Noobcake 2012/06/22 03:42:43 (edited)
    BongRipper
    +6
    Why did Bruce Wayne's parents have to die? Couldn't he have just always been an ass kicking detective genius? Batman is totally anti-parent
  • RoyJLores Noobcake 2012/06/22 04:58:56
    RoyJLores
    +3
    There is nothing sexual about rape, it is a horrendous act of violence committed against another human being. Sex requires the voluntary participation of the 2 parties.
  • wilsonmja RoyJLores 2012/06/22 05:22:03
    wilsonmja
    +1
    Nothing sexual about rape at all...well, except for the part where sex is forced on somebody and sexual intercourse takes place and ejaculent is secreted...other than that, there is absolutely nothing sexual about it.
  • Jackal wilsonmja 2012/06/22 09:52:32
    Jackal
    It is a demonstration of power over another human being. Why do you think rape is so common in prison, and those guys are straight men.
  • wilsonmja Jackal 2012/06/22 14:24:51
    wilsonmja
    Lol, because there is nobody there to have sex with except each other. Eventually, men start to go a little nutty when they haven't had sex in awhile (I.e. priests) and the ones who are the most powerful physically end up getting to pretty much have their way. But, no it has NOTHING to do with sex AT ALL....except the part where sex takes place.
  • Noobcake RoyJLores 2012/06/22 11:19:23
    Noobcake
    Rape, and attempted rape, are classified as "sexual assault" and are "sexual offenses" under the law.
  • Jackal Noobcake 2012/06/22 09:50:06
    Jackal
    Because that is real-life. When you are a female that is captured and held prisoner, you are most likely going to get raped by your tormentors. That is the reality. Not only that, instead of making the experience torment for her, she turned it around and became stronger for it. That is empowering in its self for people who are actually rape victims. They don't have to be vulnerable, they can make their weakness into their greatest strength... Now nobody can rape Lara Croft now.
  • GG Noobcake 2012/06/22 14:19:00
    GG
    +1
    'Isn't it plausible that she has always been kickass? Why did she have to go through a transformation at all?'

    No it's not. The problem with Tomb Raider games is that she is just a one note character. Okay, she's bad ass but how did she get that way? What trials and tribulations did she have to go through in order to be the bad ass she is now? With this game that can be answered AND people will start to feel something (or have an emotional attachment/ understanding etc.) for her character besides her being 'sex on legs'.

    'And if she DID, why did it have to be a sexual one when there are a whole slew of traumatic experiences that could have the potential to craft her into the unrelenting bad-ass she is?'

    She is going to go through a whole lot more than that, a lot more. This 5-10 sec attempt, that she gets away from, is not the only thing that is going to happen to her.
  • Arianne 2012/06/22 01:37:32
    No
    Arianne
    +1
    To be honest I like frail heroes both male and female. A hero thats just always I'm such a macho man/ woman doesn't take for me. Its why I didn't like the Catwoman movie and stuff. all too skin tight leather and I am fierce YAH!

    I like vulnerable heroes, those whose backstories are full of moments where they don't WANT to fight but have to in the end. I find them to be more realistic and enjoyable in the end.
  • Surgeon ~The Egalitarianist~ 2012/06/22 01:20:39
    No
    Surgeon ~The Egalitarianist~
    Sexist? No.
    Somewhat unoriginal? Yeah. I will admit that the background stories for a lot of female characters (who are strong) usually involve rape or molestation or something of the sort.
    And not just in games either, so I will admit sometimes it seems like "oh women can't be strong unless something horrible has happened to them in the past in order to make them tough as nails".

    But sometimes this can be done well, but more often than not it just seems a tad repetitive to me. Getting hurt and feeling weak is one thing, but why does it seem like it's always rape or molestation?

    However, that doesn't make it sexist. That being said I don't care much because I don't play games that often.
  • S123 Surgeon... 2012/06/22 03:42:19
    S123
    Have you watched the show Veronica Mars? It had the same theme and I think it was well done.
  • Surgeon... S123 2012/06/22 06:49:06
    Surgeon ~The Egalitarianist~
    [Sorry, long-ish post ahead, mostly to clarify what I said above]

    No, it never appealed to me. Like I said, occasionally it's well done, like for an Anime/Manga example with FREEZING - actual rape never happened, the main female character was molested often over to course of many years and as a result hated to be touched, but she responded to her phobia by slaughtering (most times literally) anyone who dared to lay a hand on her (which, by the way, isn't uncommon in this 'verse as the plot basically revolves around an Amazon Brigade with superhuman power and abilities) - in this instance, it's done well, esp. when they get to the "Brother Arc" which is when she relives most of her past torment and even with all the power she gained over the years she still reverts back to the way she was before. This example is good because yes, she suffered, and yes she turned into a badass because of it, but not just because of that one major thing - she has other reasons as well.
    the issue is that it's used a little too often for my liking. Why does it always have to be something sexual in nature? I get weak and vulnerable but why is it always rape? Can't they have gotten hurt in some other way?

    Again, I don't see it as sexist, more like a cop-out. It's a typical backstory for a weak woman ...



    [Sorry, long-ish post ahead, mostly to clarify what I said above]

    No, it never appealed to me. Like I said, occasionally it's well done, like for an Anime/Manga example with FREEZING - actual rape never happened, the main female character was molested often over to course of many years and as a result hated to be touched, but she responded to her phobia by slaughtering (most times literally) anyone who dared to lay a hand on her (which, by the way, isn't uncommon in this 'verse as the plot basically revolves around an Amazon Brigade with superhuman power and abilities) - in this instance, it's done well, esp. when they get to the "Brother Arc" which is when she relives most of her past torment and even with all the power she gained over the years she still reverts back to the way she was before. This example is good because yes, she suffered, and yes she turned into a badass because of it, but not just because of that one major thing - she has other reasons as well.
    the issue is that it's used a little too often for my liking. Why does it always have to be something sexual in nature? I get weak and vulnerable but why is it always rape? Can't they have gotten hurt in some other way?

    Again, I don't see it as sexist, more like a cop-out. It's a typical backstory for a weak woman turned strong.

    Now when I say "gotten hurt in some other way" I'll use another Anime/Manga example, this time from Shikabane Hime (Corpse Princess) - the main female in that was killed, brutally, along with her family. But in her case it was much slower, much more painful, while she had her limbs ripped off and it's implied she had other body parts ripped off or out as well - after that she swore revenge and became a hardened cold-blooded badass as soon as she resurrected. Now, before that she was said to be innocent, normal, happy, loving, caring, etc. and while her family was being massacred she hid in a closet, crying, trying to stay quiet until they found her and killed her.

    So while that example is a supernatural example, my point is that it doesn't always have to be "Rape As A Backstory". Unless there's more to it than that, then it's just sorta typical.
    (more)
  • S123 Surgeon... 2012/06/23 20:05:55
    S123
    Those anime/manga backstorys sound intresting. Veronica Mars also had more than just the rape as a backstory.
  • Heisenberg 2012/06/22 00:55:52
    No
    Heisenberg
    This isn't a black-and-white answer. It may be construed that way, but you have to remember sex sells. They'll do whatever they can to maximize profits.
  • Bigbrowneyes 2012/06/22 00:44:00
    No
    Bigbrowneyes
    It's not like she is representing all women.

    And this is a very prevalent reality for many women. As many as 1 in 4 women are said to have been raped in their college years (though the number is closer to 1 in 14, that's still pretty high)...Oh, are we pretending men and women are the same again, only one tends to have longer hair?
  • Mercedes 2012/06/22 00:21:08
    No
    Mercedes
    Are you kidding me? Lara Croft is probably THE strongest woman in video gaming history. I cannot wait for this game! Tomb raider
  • Jackal Mercedes 2012/06/22 09:56:00
    Jackal
    +1
    I always thought it was Chun Li, but whatever. Opinions can be opinions.

    :)
  • David 2012/06/22 00:05:48
    No
    David
    So Tomb Raider is getting criticized for being sexist... How do games like Grand Theft Auto even exist? lol.
  • robbt1 2012/06/21 23:42:09
    No
    robbt1
    No more sexist than any other Tomb Raider games.
  • ☂cinderella.dress.in.yellow☂ 2012/06/21 23:37:45
    Yes
    ☂cinderella.dress.in.yellow☂
    +2
    i meant to click NO NO NO NO
    NOOOO
  • Kyle 2012/06/21 23:33:19
    No
    Kyle
    The sexual assault is just part of the story about how she becomes who she is. Also remember that this game is a prequel to all the other games and this version of Laura is a fresh out of college, blue-blood who's never been on an adventure like this so it's kinda unrealistic to expect her to be the same battle-hardened badass she is in the other games.
  • Wanderer 2012/06/21 23:13:17
    No
    Wanderer
    +1
    Crap...it's a GAME...get over it.
  • Torchy 2012/06/21 23:12:15 (edited)
    Yes
    Torchy
    +2
    I'm only saying this because Lara Croft used to be a kick-arse, sexy as hell, no-holds barred female in her own right. Yes, she's about T&A;, but also guns and violence.

    Now she's a vengeful almost-rape victim. Because, you know, that hasn't been done before and women only get kick-arsey after they've been violated. Women simply have no reason to be that way otherwise. Plus, rape victims like putting their bodies on display the way she does. Way to ruin a good character. *roll eyes*
  • Jackal Torchy 2012/06/22 09:59:02
    Jackal
    There are male heroes who had it worst than Lara... TRUST ME!
  • Torchy Jackal 2012/06/22 14:26:31
    Torchy
    And your point is? Just because some video game character has had it worse doesn't make it okay for them to screw up the character this way.
  • The_Infidel_Atheist 2012/06/21 22:51:06
    No
    The_Infidel_Atheist
    I can't wait for the new Tomb Raider to drop!
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/06/21 22:50:13
    No
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    It's a viable back-story - unless they're quite masculine, most women don't get like her unless something happens to make them that way... Would you prefer for her to have toughened up in prison after stabbing someone?
  • Sterling 2012/06/21 22:42:20
    No
    Sterling
    Let's turn this on it's face and say it's sexist to portray a man trying to rape a woman. See how stupid that sounds? It's not sexist, it happens. It would be sexist to glorify rape, this is different.
  • Neelo 2012/06/21 22:36:33
    No
    Neelo
    +1
    It would have been sexist if they had her forced to sit in the kitchen and make a sandwich for the rapest....
  • Willski 2012/06/21 22:13:18
    No
    Willski
    Not at all.
  • ColourfulxRain 2012/06/21 22:06:59
    No
    ColourfulxRain
    +2
    Sexist this, Racist that. Stop putting words in peoples mouths. 'Oh, those people said it was sexist, THEN IT MUST BE TRUE.'

    sexist racist peoples mouths people sexist true
  • Cuppajo 2012/06/21 21:53:37
    No
    Cuppajo
    Sadly, violence actually happens. Even to fictional characters.
  • kelly 2012/06/21 21:38:42
    No
    kelly
    I liked how they worded it in the article "The idea is to show how Croft became the strong person that she is in the series". In my oppinion that's not sexist. If they were maker her into a weaker character, I would say differently. Quite honestly I'd have to know more though to make a better conclusion.
  • tobe 2012/06/21 21:05:12
    No
    tobe
    But I think kids play video games no matter what the logo says because parents assume its for video game violence and I think the idea of bringing rape into what empowered her is an irresponsible idea.
  • Jackal tobe 2012/06/22 10:01:55
    Jackal
    She gets stabbed, multiple times, raped, lost, beat up, etc...

    Rape is not the only reason she became stronger.
  • tobe Jackal 2012/06/22 12:42:46
    tobe
    still

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