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Is the Miss universe pageant dead now that it is for transexuals?

RoyJLores 2012/04/07 23:32:53
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Donald Trump has made the decision that the pageant is for transsexuals therefore naturally born women should have no reason to apply anymore, there were pageants for transsexuals before this happen and some still exist for naturally born women at least for now. So what do you think does this bring the Miss Universe to an end?

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  • Patric 2012/04/09 11:06:53
    Yes I believe this brings the pageant to an end.
    Patric
    +6
    since when is a " dude " in the women's pagent ?

    he wacked off his wienner and now claims to be a chick ?

    how about wack off your bank account and claim to be rich ? LOL

    a dude with out a penis is still a dude ,

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  • Alexander T Steward 2012/08/13 22:31:30
    Undecided
    Alexander T Steward
    If anything I'd be more inclined to watch.
  • Batman 2012/04/15 19:52:38
    All of the above
    Batman
    i think the contraversary breathed life into what became boring decades ago.
  • RoyJLores Batman 2012/04/16 12:00:50
    RoyJLores
    it's still boring and now to to top it off it features shemales. many Heterosexuals won't watch it and may more won't on religious and moral grounds. I don't doubt that the LGBT community will keep it going in some form the problem is that as usual they wil resort to other's people's money to do it.
  • Batman RoyJLores 2012/04/17 01:33:36
    Batman
    I disagree. people love to watch something interesting. and this is interesting.
  • RoyJLores Batman 2012/04/17 03:45:13
    RoyJLores
    Dude dancing with the Stars or some reality show where contestants are really challenged to show off their skills might be called interesting. The only people that would be interested in MU over this would be the hardcore LGBT crowd and people that dig shemales nothing more.
  • Batman RoyJLores 2012/04/17 03:51:00
    Batman
    howard stern made a pretty good radio career out of being repulsive to the average american

    people like to watch something that piques their interest.
  • RoyJLores Batman 2012/04/17 16:31:39
    RoyJLores
    +1
    At least Howard Stern was interesting unless they make the contestants in MU ride the sybian as in Howard's show I doubt it will pick that particular crowd's interest.
  • killernick 2012/04/15 01:54:08
    Yes I believe this brings the pageant to an end.
    killernick
  • TheMadChameleon 2012/04/10 20:05:39 (edited)
    Undecided
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    It will continue. It will lose some viewers who just wanted to watch it so they could think about having sex with the contestants. It will gain viewers amongst those who had not paid attention to it until this issue brought it to their attention. The pageant is not 'for transexuals'--it is for women, be they cisgender or transgender. Bravo. Equality is a lovely thing.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/10 20:27:59
    RoyJLores
    +1
    Cisgender is just a trendy term from the PC crowd who refuse to acknowledge gender normative...
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/10 22:04:49
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Actually, cisgender is a scientific term.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/10 22:43:40
    RoyJLores
    It is and it isn't:

    In gender studies, cisgender (play /ˈsɪsdʒɛndər/) is a class of gender identities where an individual's gender identity matches the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] There are a number of derivatives of the term in use, including "cis male" for a male with a masculine gender identity, "cis female" for a female with a feminine gender identity, and "cissexual".

    Kristen Schilt and Laurel Westbrook defined "cisgender" as a label for "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity", complementing "transgender".[2] A similar adjective is "gender-normative"; Eli R. Green wrote, "The term 'cisgendered' is used [instead of the more popular 'gender normative'] to refer to people who do not identify with a gender diverse experience, without enforcing existence of a 'normative' gender expression
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    it's most commonly used by the LGBT crowd and the PC crowd which you belong too.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/10 22:45:13
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    I hardly belong to a "PC" crowd. PC people are those who sit down, shut up, and don't discuss anything that might make anyone else uncomfortable, no matter how important it is.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/10 22:51:34
    RoyJLores
    Not necesarily they will defend their PC point of view nail and tooth which is what you are doing.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/10 22:54:39
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    If my view is 'politically correct', should that not mean it is the view of the majority? If only it were!

    I'm not defending my point of view tooth and nail. This is fairly casual conversation, actually.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/10 23:34:27
    RoyJLores
    No it does not Political correctness has nothing to do with the view of any mayority.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/11 02:34:12
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Definition time!
    "Definition of POLITICALLY CORRECT
    : conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated"

    It would be much less offensive to not speak of such things at all. And yet we do, because until we actually become a country that treats all people equally, we will need to keep pushing for this.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/11 03:09:29
    RoyJLores
    That's the token on which Talakova was allowed to join had MU insisted on their original mandate they would have been deemed not politically correct. Trump decided tofollow PC policy. besides it is clear that what people like you and Joani want is for his particular group of people to have especial rights over the heterosexual majority. After all according to you both heterosexuals don't have the right of sexual gratification through either pageants or men's magazines because that's a right solely for the LGBT crowd.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/11 03:14:36
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    It's a pageant, not porn. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL GRATIFICATION. These women are not your wank-objects. Go jack off to someone else if it bothers you that much--trust me, there is plenty of porn made for that purpose on the internet.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/11 03:49:54
    RoyJLores
    Except that you and I know that the goal here is to turn every pageant, men's magazine and the adult industry into the exclusive proper of the especial rights given transgenders.

    According to Joani and you Heterosexuals don't have the right to sexual gratification of any kind that's something exclusively reserved for the LGBT crowd alone.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/11 03:54:53
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Honey, you can keep your porn, and better yet, you can keep your real life relationships! This is no takeover. Miss Talackova wasn't standing at the pageant with a sign on her chest proclaiming that she is trans; she did not make a production about it. No agency planted her there; she made her own life choice and went for it without drawing the wrong sort of attention to herself. When the show itself decided to put her birth gender out there, that's when anyone knew. Blame the darling straight people who run the show--they're the ones who made a production about it. She was attempting to go along quietly with a life decision, and she has that right.

    Your conspiracy theories are entertaining, though. Hope there is a tinfoil sale in your area!
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/11 04:07:14
    RoyJLores
    Like hell he did not he turned the whole thing into a media circus the moment they refused his entry and it would have probably gone to courts had Trump refused to let him back in.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/11 04:20:44
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    She. And yes, if I were unfairly outsted from something important to me, I would be enraged too. If it was something publicly broadcasted, yes, I would get the media on board. Had they not gone snooping around in her private life and her past, it would be a non-issue.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/11 04:44:43
    RoyJLores
    Again if a guy wacks off his pinus as Talakova did does not change who he is. If you enter a pageant or a sports competition etc they will always check your backgroumd it comes with the package. so your argument about snooping is inane.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/11 05:36:36
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    SHE had surgery in order to have her body match who she is inside. Information about her birth had nothing to do with the pageant itself, and was unnecessary.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/11 06:15:04
    RoyJLores
    It had everything to do, they ran a background check and found Dude looks like a lady.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/11 13:14:06
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    "Miss Universe Canada contestants must meet a basic requirement of being a Canadian citizen and between the ages of 18 and 27 to compete.

    They also must not be married, pregnant, and have to fill out a more comprehensive form if they meet the basic requirements.

    There is no mention of rules regarding sex-changes or cosmetic surgery."

    Source: http://www.theprovince.com/ne...

    No mention of it? No right to disqualify.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/11 21:07:15
    RoyJLores
    Why should there be it was a given that the pageant was until now meant for naturally born women but since you insist so much on "Equality" lets take a look at those rules again shall we?
    How is it equality to:
    Not allow women over 27 to compete?
    Not allow women that are married, pregnant and/or have children to compete?
    Why should all the women be same height as it has been the case on previous MU contests?

    If this was really about equality all those issues would have been raised but alas it is not it's all about publicity and political correctness.

    Overhere up until an official ruling comes they do not intend to do away with how the pageant has been traditionally done.

    The rules remain the same. I know that the organization is concerned about the situation, like us, because it is a sensitive situation. Gay and transgender community has supported us a lot, but this changes the game completely, "he said.

    Lowry added that supports the LGBT community, but not in favor of transgender participation in the contest.

    "In my personal character, I think that Miss Universe has a 61-year career with naturally born female participants and is part of a tradition, like the Boy Scouts is a tradition that only men are. Tradition, I understand, is what gives identity to the event and the organization,...














    Why should there be it was a given that the pageant was until now meant for naturally born women but since you insist so much on "Equality" lets take a look at those rules again shall we?
    How is it equality to:
    Not allow women over 27 to compete?
    Not allow women that are married, pregnant and/or have children to compete?
    Why should all the women be same height as it has been the case on previous MU contests?

    If this was really about equality all those issues would have been raised but alas it is not it's all about publicity and political correctness.

    Overhere up until an official ruling comes they do not intend to do away with how the pageant has been traditionally done.

    The rules remain the same. I know that the organization is concerned about the situation, like us, because it is a sensitive situation. Gay and transgender community has supported us a lot, but this changes the game completely, "he said.

    Lowry added that supports the LGBT community, but not in favor of transgender participation in the contest.

    "In my personal character, I think that Miss Universe has a 61-year career with naturally born female participants and is part of a tradition, like the Boy Scouts is a tradition that only men are. Tradition, I understand, is what gives identity to the event and the organization, and understand that to be a change so drastically change the competition, "said Lowry.

    For Deborah Carthy Deu, the second Puerto Rican to become Miss Universe, this decision is primarily a publicity Donald Trump to give attention to an event "that is down."

    "I believe this is a strategy of Donald Trump, who finds it difficult to sell the event each year, and wants to make a profit while he is willing to whatever it is," said Miss Universe 1985, who disagree with the participation transsexuals in the contest.

    "I do not feel well, not discriminating against transgender people, but I think it is unfair to the other girls because obviously these people will receive more publicity," he said.

    Similar to Deborah Carthy Deu, said the expert in beauty pageants Hector Joaquin Colon for whom this decision is also filtered by advertising.

    "I understand that advertising is a strategy building on the momentum no matter what happens next because you do not know," he reported.

    Héctor Joaquín said that supports the LGBT community, but that "equality is one thing and the events is another."

    "The question is whether they would stop in contests involving transsexual women. And talk about equality, then why not accept Miss Universe women over 30 years, married, divorced and single mothers, because if we talk about transgender equality, we must talk of equality to women, "he said
    http://www.primerahora.com/%C...
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  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/12 00:54:55
    TheMadChameleon
    These people will not recieve more publicity if people stop making a fuss about trans women versus cisgender women. Not all the rules are fair--I don't think that the age requirements or the weight requirements are necessarily fair. However, those rules are in place; a rule that stated that the women must be biologically female is not. So no, it's not completely fair, but it is more so this way. She complied with the rules, and deserves a chance to compete. Tradition does not always equal right.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/12 01:06:49
    RoyJLores
    Why should there be in place if we are talking about equality don't try to dodge the question. if it's about equality all those regulations must go in fact fat women should compete as well.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/12 01:20:47
    TheMadChameleon
    Again, I never said I approved of those regulations. I'd rather they did not exist myself. Basic reading would tell you that. The age range and weight restrictions at least give everyone a fair chance, though I personally disagree with them, and the rules against having been married or pregnant are inane, I'd say. However, just because inequality still exists doesn't mean it's fair to say that more inequality is good. Work the inequalities out, and hopefully the rest will come too. I'll bet that if a woman who had once been pregnant wanted to be in the show, and she looked good and fit all the other requirements, you'd be all over having her back in.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/12 15:44:21
    RoyJLores
    On that note you do know that transgendereds do have pageants of their own right, so would they be willing to alow naturally born women to compete in them? So far the answer is no.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/12 18:01:50
    TheMadChameleon
    Yes, and I do not necessarily think that this is right either. Women are women, whether they are transgender or cisgender. However, with things like this, I can hardly blame them--all the fuss that gets thrown up over one trans candidate, I can see the desire to have a pageant where you get to avoid that drama. When we as a society quit making distinctions and labling one type of woman--or of man, for that matter--as "better" or "more real" than others, these sorts of things will go away.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/12 19:02:51
    RoyJLores
    What about pageants based on race there are pageants now exclusively for dark skinned women alone etc? What about women that are fat such as these?
    http://voices.yahoo.com/moniq...

    But more importantly what if any or all of those pageants tell you to STFU because what they do is their business alone and no one else's as opposed to MU's Donald Trump's catering to Special interests.

    Why is it OK for certain races and groups to have something and not for others. Imagine if somebody made a "White" only pageant and you know what would happen it proves the tremendous hypocrisy of people like you.
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/12 20:44:03
    TheMadChameleon
    .....People like me? And when ever did I say that this sort of thing is okay? No, you're the one saying that people ought to be excluded from certain pageants. You're the one judging the decision of an individual to actually follow his own rules and reinstate a contestant. No, you're the hypocrite here, hun.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/12 20:53:39
    RoyJLores
    All that Trump did was to cater to the special interest of groups like G.L.A.D (Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders) They are the reason he was reinstated.
    What about participating Muslim countries do you honestly think they will go along with this because if you do you are insane.

    http://www.glad.org/
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/12 21:04:07
    TheMadChameleon
    If they don't like competing alongside a valid contestant, they may drop out willingly.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/12 21:27:51
    RoyJLores
    doesn't that dispell te myth held by you and Joanie that the pageant will remain as popular as it is today. And keep in mind that long before this happened it had already lost a lot of it's popularity.

    Truth is this will turn off a lot of viewers on religious and moral grounds as well here and abroad, you might say "We don't need them" but guess what Christians and people of other faiths that would object to this do form the majority in this country and the world over. In the end this move will hurt the franchise were it hurts the most it's pockets.

    That is off course when GLAD and the hardcore LGBT community will demand government intervention in the form of subsidies to save their newly acquired property. (property in the sense that they would not accept the franchise to fail if it comes to that as is a conquered frontier and symbol to them but off course as usual it will be easier to do it using other people's money)
  • TheMadC... RoyJLores 2012/04/12 21:34:07
    TheMadChameleon
    How would I know whether or not the pageant will stay as popular? They'll lose some viewers. They may also gain some, whether it's people who want to support them for making the right decision, or just people who happened to watch for the first time this year.
  • RoyJLores TheMadC... 2012/04/12 21:52:45
    RoyJLores
    In case you didn't notice that's the subject of this poll.

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