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  • darlenedoskas1969 2012/11/15 15:52:34
    Yes. It is a cult.
    darlenedoskas1969
    +1
    it was made up by L Ron Hubbard to make money.... and now it has all the hallmarks of a cult, so I'm gonna say, yes, it's definitely a cult
  • firefly 2012/11/15 15:45:30
  • Rob E 2012/07/22 00:16:01
    No. It is a religion.
    Rob E
    Brian R Wlson phd .. Professor at oxford and other " advanced thinkers" have this to say about Scientology . . http://www.bonafidescientolog...

    Where not talking about a few disgruntled apostates and shoddy journalism looking for a quick buck..
  • AnonRanGER Rob E 2012/07/26 11:40:49 (edited)
  • Rob E AnonRanGER 2012/07/26 17:11:47
    Rob E
    ah Yes ranger because they are world renowned theologians maybe we should let journalist decide who or what a religion is because " They know". *blank stare shaking head*
  • AnonRanGER Rob E 2012/07/27 13:59:25
    AnonRanGER
    Look at the votes, roby. Does it look like people care about what the experts say on Scientology?

    But since we're on the subject, I'll chime in:

    Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia:

    "Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill... (Scientology is) the world's largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy."

    Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health:

    "The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them... There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of Scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth."

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    Look at the votes, roby. Does it look like people care about what the experts say on Scientology?

    But since we're on the subject, I'll chime in:

    Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia:

    "Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill... (Scientology is) the world's largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy."

    Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health:

    "The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them... There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of Scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth."

    Federal prosecutor's memorandum to the judge urging stiff jail sentences for 9 top leaders of Scientology who had pleaded guilty to criminal charges:

    "The crime committed by these defendants is of a breath and scope previously unheard of. No building, office, desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lock picks, secret codes, forged credentials and any other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes."

    Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London:

    "Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others."

    Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court:

    "[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories... and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect.... The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard."

    Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the Gerry Armstrong case:

    "In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights, the organization over the years with its 'fair game' doctrine has harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives as enemies."

    California appellate court, 2nd. district, 3rd. division, July 29, 1991, B025920 & B038975, Super. Ct. No. C 420153:

    "In January 1980, fearing a raid by law enforcement agencies, Hubbard's representatives ordered the shredding of all documents showing that Hubbard controlled Scientology organizations, finances, personnel, or the property at Gilman Hot Springs. In a two week period, approximately one million pages were shredded pursuant to this order."

    California Supreme Court, United States v. Lee [455 U.S. 252,257,258 (1982)*/:

    "When a person is subjected to coercive persuasion [as in Scientology] without his knowledge or consent ...[he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide."

    USDJ Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion, RTC vs Lerma:

    "The dispute in this case surrounds Lerma's acquisition and publication on the Internet of texts that the Church of Scientology considers sacred and protects heavily from unauthorized disclosure. Founded by L. Ron Hubbard, the Scientology religion attempts to explain the origin of negative spiritual forces in the world and advances techniques for improving one's own spiritual well-being. Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts ".

    Lord Denning:

    "...capable of such danger that the public interest demands that people should know what is going on"

    Judge Constandia Angelaki:

    "It is an organization with medical, social and ethical practices that are dangerous and harmful,"

    "It claims to act freely so as to draw members who subsequently undergo ... brainwashing by dictated ways of thinking that limit reaction capabilities."

    Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia, Justice Brookings, 1982:

    " ...the teaching of Scientology and the practice of Scientology will result in the commission of many offenses and may well result in the commission of many others."

    California 9th Circuit Appeals court in the Zolan case, after secret Scientology tapes were remanded from the U.S. Supreme Court:

    "The purpose of the MCCS project was to cover up past criminal wrongdoing.... The MCCS project involved the discussion and planning for future frauds against the IRS in violation of 18C USC 371."

    Ted Gunderson, former head of the FBI's Los Angeles office, quoted in TIME May 6, 1991:

    "In my opinion the church has one of the most effective intelligence operations in the U.S. rivaling even that of the FBI."

    IRS Final Adverse Ruling re "Church of Spiritual Technology," July 8, 1988:

    "The California case also demonstrates inurement... amid continuous representations denying control by and benefit to Mr. Hubbard, and a tenacious denial of the actual state of the organization's actual affairs in the face of overwhelming evidence establishing the true nature of the organization's operations." ...Such self dealing does not lose its identity as private benefit and inurement merely because it is conducted through intermediary individuals and\or organizations.

    California appellate court, 2nd district, 7th division, Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology of California, Civ. No. B023193 Cal. Super. (1986):

    "Substantial evidence supports the conclusion Scientology leaders made the deliberate decision to ruin Wollersheim economically and possible psychologically.... We do not mean to suggest Scientology's retributive program as described in the evidence of this case represented a full scale modern day "inquisition." Nevertheless there are some parallels in purpose and effect. "Fair game" like the "inquisition" targeted "heretics." "Other testimony established Scientology is a hierarchal organization which exhibits near paranoid attitudes toward certain institutions and individuals---in particular the government, mental health professions, disaffected members, and others who criticize the organization or its leadership... During trial, Wollersheim's experts testified Scientology's "auditing" and "disconnect" practices constituted "brainwashing" and "thought reform" akin to what the Chinese and North Koreans practiced on American prisoners of war." "A religious practice which takes place in the context of this level of coercion has less religious value than one the recipient engages in voluntarily. Even more significantly, it poses a greater threat to society to have coerced religious practices inflicted on its citizens." "Using its position as religious leader, the church and its agents coerced Wollersheim into continuing auditing even though his sanity was repeatedly threatened by this practice... Thus there is adequate proof the religious practice in this instance caused real harm to the individual and the appellant's outrageous conduct caused that harm... Church practices conducted in a coercive environment are not qualified to be voluntary religious practices entitled to first amendment religious freedom guarantees." "We hold that the state has a compelling interest in allowing its citizens to recover for serious emotional injuries they suffer through religious practices they are coerced into accepting. Such conduct is too outrageous to be protected under the constitution and too unworthy to be privileged under the law of torts."

    U.S. v Kuch 288 F Sup. 439 (1968):

    "Those who seek constitutional protections for their participation in an establishment of religion and freedom to practice its beliefs must not be permitted the special freedoms this special sanctuary may provide merely by adopting religious nomenclature and cynically using it as a shield to protect them when participating in anti social conduct that otherwise stands condemned."

    United States v. Article or Device, Etc., 333 F.Supp. 357 (D.D.C. 1971) [regarding Scientology's "E-Meter"]:

    "The bulk of the material is replete with false medical and scientific claims devoid of any religious overlay or reference." (333 F.Supp. at 361) "The Court's opinion directly and forcefully confronts the issue of claimed First Amendment protection by Scientology. The Court then held that the practice of Scientology was secular." (333 F.Supp. at 359

    Commissioners of the City of Clearwater, Florida, public hearings, May 5-10, 1982. The Commission received documentary and testimonial evidence with respect to the operation, activities and conduct of Scientology. Based upon the sworn testimony of witnesses, affidavits, state and federal court decisions, and miscellaneous documents reviewed and considered, the Commission made the following factual recitation:

    "Evidentiary fact:
    The Church of Scientology is currently engaged in a nationwide conspiracy to impede and obstruct municipal, state and federal taxing authorities, by adopting a religious and charitable guise to avoid payment of taxes.
    "Scientology's internal policies state: "They (the public) want ministers. We will show them what ministers look like" (Vol. 1 p.41). "Churches are looked upon as reform groups. Therefore, we must act like a reform group" (Vol.1 p.196).
    "Scientology has nothing to do with religion. The Church did not adopt the religious guise until it was necessary to seek First Amendment protection (Vol.4 p.405).
    "Scientology uses a religious image checklist designed to falsely portray a religious image to mislead officials (Vol. 2 p.238,239). "Church policy instructs members to lie to inquiring officials (Vol.1 p.226,227).

    Documentary evidence in Church of Spiritual Technology vs U.S., November 22, 1989

    "The goal of the department [of governmental affairs] is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by a high level ability to control and in its absence by a low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control suchagencies." -- LRH
    "The purpose of the legal officer is to help LRH handle every legal, government, suit, accounting and tax contact or action... and to bring the greatest possible confusion and loss to its enemies." -- LRH

    "Guardian Order 060971" seized in FBI authorized search of Scientology headquarters:

    "The vital targets on which we must invest most of our time are:
    (T1) Depopularizing the enemy to the point of obliteration.
    (T2) Taking over the control or allegiance of the heads or proprietors of all news media.
    (T3) Taking over the control or allegiance of key political figures.
    (T4) Taking over the control or allegiance of those who monitor international finance..."

    Documentary evidence in the Armstrong case:

    "You can be merciless whenever your will is crossed and you have the right to be merciless." -- LRH

    California Supreme Court, in United States v. Lee 455 U.S. 252,257,258 (1982):

    "When a person is subjected to coercive persuasion [as in Scientology] without his knowledge or consent ...[he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide."






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  • Buster Brown 2012/07/04 23:32:04 (edited)
    No. It is a religion.
    Buster Brown
    +1
    As they say - one person's religion is another person's cult. However, this question as it relates to Scientology has been studied extensively by those who are objective, have no axe to grind, and are experts in the field. They have concluded that Scientology is a real, true, religion. I researched this point and found several references all concluding the same thing - that it is a true religion. Here are a few of those findings:

    1) Irving Hexham, Professor of Religious Studies, University of Calgary says: "...in terms of two standard and widely used definitions of religion there is no doubt that the Church of Scientology at that time qualified as a religion. I have no reason to believe that in the last twenty years things have changed. In fact, if anything the religious aspects of Scientology have increased....I recognize that all of these traditions, including Scientology, are religious and that they deserve equitable treatment under the law.”

    2) IS SCIENTOLOGY A RELIGION? by GARY D. BOUMA, PH.D. "I have been asked for my professional opinion on the question Is Scientology a religion? I have the following professional qualifications relevant to this issue: B.A. Calvin College (Greek and Philosophy) B.D. Princeton Theological Seminary (Church and Society) M.A. Cornell ...






    As they say - one person's religion is another person's cult. However, this question as it relates to Scientology has been studied extensively by those who are objective, have no axe to grind, and are experts in the field. They have concluded that Scientology is a real, true, religion. I researched this point and found several references all concluding the same thing - that it is a true religion. Here are a few of those findings:

    1) Irving Hexham, Professor of Religious Studies, University of Calgary says: "...in terms of two standard and widely used definitions of religion there is no doubt that the Church of Scientology at that time qualified as a religion. I have no reason to believe that in the last twenty years things have changed. In fact, if anything the religious aspects of Scientology have increased....I recognize that all of these traditions, including Scientology, are religious and that they deserve equitable treatment under the law.”

    2) IS SCIENTOLOGY A RELIGION? by GARY D. BOUMA, PH.D. "I have been asked for my professional opinion on the question Is Scientology a religion? I have the following professional qualifications relevant to this issue: B.A. Calvin College (Greek and Philosophy) B.D. Princeton Theological Seminary (Church and Society) M.A. Cornell University (Sociology) Ph.D. Cornell University (Sociology of Religion)

    I have been active in the scholarly study of religion for over a decade during which I have published extensively in the field, chaired symposia on the definition of religion, and lectured on the sociology of religion at Dalhousie University, Michigan State University and Monash University. I have read various books about Scientology and visited the church in Victoria. On the basis of these documents and that visit it is my professional opinion that the Church of Scientology can reasonably be categorized a religion."

    3) By Alan W. Black, Associate Professor of Sociology, University of New England:
    “As a sociologist with a specialization in the study of religion, I have been asked to address the question "Is Scientology a religion?" In answering that question, I am not pronouncing on the truth or falsity of Scientology. Rather, I am considering whether Scientology meets the criteria commonly used to define a religion…One or more of the Justices in this case specifically considered the fact that there have been additions to the beliefs and practices of Scientology since it was first formulated, that Scientology does not insist that its adherents should discard other religious affiliations, and that there is a strong commercial emphasis in Scientology's practices. The Justices concluded that none of these facts disqualified Scientology from being recognized as a religion; indeed, similar statements of fact could be made about some other recognized religions at various points in their history.

    For the reasons given in the preceding analysis, I consider that Scientology is rightly regarded as a religion. As well as having the salient generic characteristics that typify recognized religions, Scientology has its own distinctive features - particular beliefs and practices that mark it out as a different religion rather than a non-religion.”
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  • Julia Anne 2012/07/02 08:40:01 (edited)
    Yes. It is a cult.
    Julia Anne
    I seem to have nothing better to do it's late and as you may know nothing about this seems right. Frankly I need to stop going to bed late. My sister had some very wordy things to say which I'm not going to repeat.

    Funny story actually huge fan of Nicole Kidman watched some movies then for some reason I was led to these videos which really surprised me. I seem to be on the strange part of YouTube. Don't hate me :).






  • ★~DoctorWhoGuru~★ 2012/07/01 23:52:55
    Yes. It is a cult.
    ★~DoctorWhoGuru~★
  • Fran-Halen 2012/07/01 23:49:28
    Yes. It is a cult.
    Fran-Halen
    +1
    the cult of Elron (sic) .
  • AnonRanGER 2012/07/01 20:22:27
    Yes. It is a cult.
    AnonRanGER
    +2
    It is even a DANGEROUS cult. Just google "signs of dangerous cults", pick any website and see if the signs apply to Scientology. 99% of them will.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/01 19:58:46
    Yes. It is a cult.
    jackolantyrn356
    +3
    And an expensive cult too
  • Scott 2012/07/01 18:38:32
    Yes. It is a cult.
    Scott
    +1
    All religions are.

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