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L.A. Times 2012/12/06 21:15:25
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Hours after Gov. Chris Gregoire signed the voter-approved law legalizing gay marriage, couples officially began receiving state licenses as Washington became the latest state to allow members of the same sex to marry.

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  • Alexander T Steward 2012/12/11 16:47:48
  • Randy 2012/12/10 20:36:19
    Yes
    Randy
    +2
    I sure hope so. I've seen enough segregation against them. I'm no LGBT advocate, but I certainly am against bullying and oppression of any form, and banning them from marriage IS a form of oppression.

    I hope to see it legalized nationwide before my time here is done. :-)
  • bpf 2012/12/10 19:52:06 (edited)
    No
    bpf
    The Sodomites thought the same thing, so did the Greeks & Romans all these civilizations fell when the morals went the way of the beast. You can believe and do what you want but like it or not believe it or not..God will not be mocked..what your reap you shall sow and when that happens it's too late or second chances!!
  • Randy bpf 2012/12/10 20:39:24
    Randy
    +4
    The problem with your argument is that it is Christian-based. Not everyone is Christian and believes that homosexuality is a sin. Marriage isn't just for we who see Christ as our lord and savior; Atheists, Buddhists, Pagans and Agnostics get married all the time, so one cannot argue that allowing gays to marry is going against the "sanctity of marriage" when we have for GENERATIONS allowed non-Christians to be bonded into Marriage as well.
  • WBC_Sux Randy 2012/12/13 10:57:24 (edited)
    WBC_Sux
    "....when we have for GENERATIONS allowed non-Christians to be bonded into Marriage as well."

    Hey Vegeta, did you see my op-ed?
    http://theclackamasprint.net/...

    Also -this- ????
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...


    "Not everyone is Christian..."

    Really? Well MERRY F*CKIN' CHRIST-MAS!
  • America... WBC_Sux 2013/01/01 07:12:45
    American☆Atheist
    Name one reason that gays lead to the fall of a country.
  • WBC_Sux America... 2013/01/01 08:59:12
    WBC_Sux
    As a fellow atheist, I am more than a bit confused as to why you seemingly directed your query towards me...
  • Thisism... bpf 2012/12/11 15:48:58
  • bpf Thisism... 2013/01/09 17:41:28
    bpf
    I see history isn't one of your strong points! So it wasn't the splitting into an eastern and western empire governed by separate emperors that caused Rome to fall, or the reduced strength of the military, the failing of the economic base or the corrupt Emperors? But it was due to the acceptance of Christianity, wow your hatred of Christianity is obvious and your lack of facts is more obvious your history teacher must be incompetent or just as much an atheist as you.. have a good day.
  • America... bpf 2013/01/01 07:12:15
    American☆Atheist
    +1
    Get back in your room. paded room
  • bpf America... 2013/01/09 17:32:07
    bpf
    Gee what a intelligent response, I'm impressed!
  • Wizard_in_Time 2012/12/10 15:20:43
    Yes
    Wizard_in_Time
    +1
    20 years ago no one this wasn't being voted on, now it's legal in some states. That fact alone speaks for itself.
  • wale63 2012/12/10 14:51:42
    No
    wale63
    The fact that a portion of society has been conned into thinking hom osexuality is an acceptable form of behavior necessitates expression from the correct majority point of view counter to that.
    Andy
  • Randy wale63 2012/12/10 20:40:11
    Randy
    +2
    Then sir, that begs the question: what about "homosexual behavior" is unacceptable?
  • wale63 Randy 2012/12/11 06:35:05
    wale63
    Only to the willingly ignorant.
    Engaging in same sex intercourse is unacceptable as it is unacceptable AND an abomination.
    Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
    ------
    Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

    Deuteronomy 23:17-18
    There shall be no wh0re of the daughters of Israel, nor a s0domite of the sons of Israel.
    Thou shalt not bring the hire of a wh0re, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
  • Randy wale63 2012/12/11 15:02:06
    Randy
    +1
    Whether or not those are exact excerpts, those don't apply to those who do not partake in belief of the bible.

    A lot of gays are not Christian.
  • wale63 Randy 2012/12/11 16:29:43
    wale63
    What you say is true. Those who are NOT Christians would not apply these conditions to themselves or adhere to them.
    Nonetheless, NOT believing in them doesn't make it NOT true.
    Homosexuals by their being homosexual act in contradiction to christian principles anyway. then the question becomes according to WHAT principles is homosexuality considered positive or good.
  • WBC_Sux wale63 2012/12/12 00:07:18
  • wale63 WBC_Sux 2012/12/12 02:29:43
    wale63
    I can't because the choices are rigged to accept homosexual unions when in fact homosexual unions are an abomination AND an affront to normal people.
    Andy
  • WBC_Sux Randy 2012/12/12 00:04:45 (edited)
    WBC_Sux
    "A lot of gays are not Christian."

    And sadly some are, which to me makes about as much sense as a black person wanting to be friends with a Klansmen and accepting their teachings saying they they're racially inferior scum, or a Jewish person wanting to be friends with a Nazi and accepting being thrown in a death camp and eventually being treated to a nice Zyklon B shower. Or a woman wanting to be friends with a misogynistic chauvinist who thinks the only thing she's good for is making kids, cleaning and cooking (oh wait, lulz).
  • WBC_Sux Randy 2012/12/13 11:07:03
    WBC_Sux
    2 Peter 20-21: "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."

    Luke 16:17: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."

    Matthew 5:18-19: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

    Jeremiah 48:10: "Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed be he who holds back his sword from blood." (There ya go, Westboro Baptist Church, put down the silly slogan signs and pick up yer swords and go keel you some kweers!)

    Deuteronomy 13:1-5: "Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is...



    2 Peter 20-21: "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."

    Luke 16:17: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."

    Matthew 5:18-19: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

    Jeremiah 48:10: "Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed be he who holds back his sword from blood." (There ya go, Westboro Baptist Church, put down the silly slogan signs and pick up yer swords and go keel you some kweers!)

    Deuteronomy 13:1-5: "Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you."

    Deuteronomy 13:7-12: "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst."

    Deuteronomy 13:13-19: "Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."
    (more)
  • Elephan... wale63 2012/12/14 03:33:00
    Elephant Lord
    +1
    Leviticus also calls for the stoning of disobedient children.
  • wale63 Elephan... 2012/12/14 19:34:32
    wale63
    A very POWERFUL statement, made VERY clear about what is right and wrong.
    just as it makes a statement against the sinful practice and engagement in homosexual acts.
    Andy
  • Elephan... wale63 2012/12/15 01:43:48
    Elephant Lord
    +1
    But that passage proves that Leviticus is not meant to be taken seriously.
  • wale63 Elephan... 2012/12/15 21:28:53
    wale63
    At one time the passage WAS to be taken literally.
    Jesus' sacrifice on the cross fulfills those obligations of the Old testament now and by acceptance of HIM we fulfill ALL the obligations of the New testament and do NOT have to literally act on each individual law of the OLD testament.
    The NEW Testament ALSO speaks to the prohibition of homosexual acts.
    Read the Book of Romans.
    it is clear that the biblical teaching, AND the biblical intention ios to point out the negativity of homosexual behavior and that it is NOT to be engaged in as it is an abomination AND sinful.
    Andy
  • WBC_Sux wale63 2012/12/16 04:16:16 (edited)
    WBC_Sux
    "Jesus' sacrifice on the cross fulfills those obligations of the Old testament now and by acceptance of HIM we fulfill ALL the obligations of the New testament and do NOT have to literally act on each individual law of the OLD testament."

    2 Peter 20-21: "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."

    Luke 16:17: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."

    Matthew 5:18-19: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

    Also what about Mark.7:9-13, and Matthew 15:4-7?
    Sure makes it sound like Jeebus don't approve of
    ignoring or relaxing on the Old Testament laws.

    The only churchf4gs who follow the Bible 100% are the Phelps Phags.
  • wale63 WBC_Sux 2012/12/17 03:41:12
    wale63
    Galatians 2:15-21
    Good News Translation (GNT)

    Jews and Gentiles Are Saved by Faith
    15 Indeed, we are Jews by birth and not “Gentile sinners,” as they are called.
    16 Yet we know that a person is put right with God only through faith in Jesus Christ, never by doing what the Law requires. We, too, have believed in Christ Jesus in order to be put right with God through our faith in Christ, and not by doing what the Law requires. For no one is put right with God by doing what the Law requires.
    17 If, then, as we try to be put right with God by our union with Christ, we are found to be sinners, as much as the Gentiles are—does this mean that Christ is serving the cause of sin? By no means!
    18 If I start to rebuild the system of Law that I tore down, then I show myself to be someone who breaks the Law.
    19 So far as the Law is concerned, however, I am dead—killed by the Law itself—in order that I might live for God. I have been put to death with Christ on his cross,
    20 so that it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. This life that I live now, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave his life for me.
    21 I refuse to reject the grace of God. But if a person is put right with God through the Law, it means that Christ died for nothing
  • RawRsaurus wale63 2012/12/22 02:22:08
    RawRsaurus
    You don't follow Leviticus. Why would you hold anyone else to that standard?
  • wale63 RawRsaurus 2012/12/22 22:46:50
    wale63
    YOU don't understand. In my ACCEPTANCE of Christ's sacrifice, I FULFILL ALL the Old Testament INCLUDING leviticus by acceptance of christ's sacrifice for us.
    Andy
  • RawRsaurus wale63 2012/12/23 00:30:54
    RawRsaurus
    So, you don't wear clothing woven of more than one material? Don't consume shell fish? Stone a raped woman to death? Yeah, I call bologna here.
  • wale63 RawRsaurus 2012/12/23 03:13:24
    wale63
    Yeah you are stupid as you can't read. READ ABOVE.
    We don't have to literally fulfill the old testament laws as Christ did that by his sacrifice on the cross, or do you NOT undserstand that?
    By acceptance of HIS sacrifice we automatically fulfill every law in the OT. Or do you just not understand ANYTHING?
  • RawRsaurus wale63 2012/12/23 04:05:35
  • wale63 RawRsaurus 2012/12/24 01:30:55
    wale63
    Thank you for putting your ignorance in print for ALL to see as you show evidence of being absurd and stupid.
    Andy
  • RawRsaurus wale63 2012/12/24 02:50:55
    RawRsaurus
    You answer logic with insults. You cannot PROVE anything in the Bible is credible because all of the jargon is faith based. You can have faith. I have what's tangible, scientific, and real.
  • wale63 RawRsaurus 2012/12/24 16:20:40
    wale63
    SORRY but this is an intellectual copout.
    In effect you are saying that YOU want to believe your OWN reality and suspend seeking real answers and will only use partial facts that support your partial view.
    Simple question. How did existence then come into being from nothing? Science can only observe what is observable, which is that which has been created.
    Science tells us there is NO perpetual matter. it is logical then that what we observe has been created, as per the best possible scientific information we have now.
    When the topic is examined OBJECTIVELY, one has to admit the reality of a FORCE or entity behind ALL that exists, as we KNOW scientifically that something cannot come from NOTHING.
    We also KNOW that at one time in the past, the begiining, that absolutely NOTHING existed, because scientifically there is NO perpetual matter, energy or what have yo, thereby necessitating a creator that brought ALL existence into being.
    Andy
  • RawRsaurus wale63 2012/12/24 18:54:18
    RawRsaurus
    Seriously, how can you be this obtuse? Faith vs. science. Which lends more credibility? HM, SUCH A TOUGH QUESTION....get real, kid.
  • wale63 RawRsaurus 2012/12/24 20:39:18
    wale63
    THIS shows how stupid you are.
    There is an arrogance by those who place science at a higher level than is deserved. The thought is that SCIENCE is omnipotent, omniscient and those who follow science are superior in understanding.
    Science can only observe and understand what has been created.
    Science hasn't even begun to completely understand the totality of what has been created, or even less than half.
    What has been created comprises the entire universe.
    Science is good. Science is A discipline but not the final one nor the complete one.
    Human nature is SO arrogant as to believe that he can use finite tools and understanding to attempt to understand that which is infinite and beyond the scope of science (in the grand scheme a discpline with limitations).
    In other words, there is an arrogance that humans engage in where they feel that they, as the flawed and limited beings ( as compared to ALL creation-The universe) can superimpose there understanding upon that which is much greater in scope and comprehension.
    .
    " For God in HIS wisdom made it IMPOSSIBLE for people to know him by menas of their OWN wisdom"
    1 Corinthians 1:21
  • Elephan... wale63 2012/12/15 01:46:29
    Elephant Lord
    +1
    A statement which just goes to show that Leviticus isn't meant to be taken seriously. If we followed all the teachings in the Bible, mixed fabrics would also be illegal.
  • wale63 Elephan... 2012/12/15 21:29:09
    wale63
    At one time the passage WAS to be taken literally.
    Jesus' sacrifice on the cross fulfills those obligations of the Old testament now and by acceptance of HIM we fulfill ALL the obligations of the New testament and do NOT have to literally act on each individual law of the OLD testament.
    The NEW Testament ALSO speaks to the prohibition of homosexual acts.
    Read the Book of Romans.
    it is clear that the biblical teaching, AND the biblical intention ios to point out the negativity of homosexual behavior and that it is NOT to be engaged in as it is an abomination AND sinful.
    Andy
  • Elephan... wale63 2012/12/16 01:14:02
    Elephant Lord
    +2
    But do you know what Jesus said about gay marriage? Nothing. But of course, it doesn't matter what the Bible or Jesus said. The USA isn't a theocracy. If you want to live in a country where the government passes laws according to scripture, move to Iran.
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