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Is California a cultural and political island?

L.A. Times 2012/12/17 15:33:37
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This 17th century map by Nicolas Sanson clearly shows California depicted as an island. It's one of 800 such maps collected by Glen McLaughlin and recently turned over to Stanford University.

The geographic oddity caught the attention of McLaughlin, an American businessman who was browsing through antique maps at a shop in London in 1971. He bought it -- and began pursuing a quirky and expensive passion that would lead him to devote an entire room in his San Jose-area home to what is believed to be the largest private collection of such maps. "It was not a very pretty map, but it had the concept that California was a very different place, a special place," McLaughlin recalled about that first purchase.

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  • David 2012/12/18 22:01:00 (edited)
    No
    David
    +14
    I find it hilarious how the majority said yes. Probably because Conservatives are still whining about losing the election. Anyways, here's why California is not a cultural or political island:

    Us map

    Every state is different.

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  • Annie 2012/12/31 01:53:09
    Yes
    Annie
    The land of fruits, flakes and nuts.
  • teachaman~PWCM~JLA 2012/12/20 21:06:15
    Yes
    teachaman~PWCM~JLA
    which is exactly the reason I - and many of the more sane people I know - are escaping as soon as possible ... I need to get back to my home country - America - and out of this foreign place
  • shenendoah 2012/12/20 20:54:38
    No
    shenendoah
    Unfortunately no. If it was maybe it would just seperate from the NA continent and float out to sea. TIC
  • Wulfdane 2012/12/20 20:27:40 (edited)
    Yes
    Wulfdane
    While not everything that comes out of California is a good thing, there is no question that California has a huge impact on our culture.
  • El Prez 2012/12/20 19:16:20
    No
    El Prez
    No! just a leader. The worlds 8th largest economy, even in the recession, it was 5th before. Too bad there is so much misunderstanding of what it really is.
  • RJeffreySavlov 2012/12/20 16:05:15
    Yes
    RJeffreySavlov
    +1
    It is an insane asylum with no keeper. The partially sane inmates escape to other states and then try to turn it into California. There should be immigration stations at every point so the inmates can be turned back. Keep them all there. They ruined their own state, don't let them ruin the rest of the country.
  • Red Omega 2012/12/20 15:46:49
    No
    Red Omega
    It's not an island. Geographically and logical incorrect.
  • Executor 2012/12/20 13:58:28
    No
    Executor
    +2
    'Island' implies that they are alone, that all of the neighboring states are different. The other West Coast states, Washington and Oregon, are pretty similar to Cali both culturally and politically, and they consistently vote the same as California, with the only exception in the past 40 years being '88 when Cali went for Bush and the other two went for Dukakis. Nevada has also pretty consistently voted the same, with '00 and '04 being the only exceptions in the same time period. Really, the only neighboring state that is markedly different politically is Arizona.

    Also, it should be noted that the 17th century map is not of the State of California, it's of Baja California in Mexico; Mar Vermejo/Bermejo (Vermillion Sea) is an old name for the Gulf of California.
  • moknowsky 2012/12/20 08:40:01
    Yes
    moknowsky
    +1
    "The Island Of Lost Souls"
  • Lolaita 2012/12/20 05:32:30
    No
    Lolaita
    Bro, we're just the same as New York, Massachusetts, etc. except we have cool Spanish revival architecture and great mexican food (usually).
  • texasred 2012/12/20 03:39:49
    Yes
    texasred
    +2
    It's turning into a very expensive cesspool.
  • keeper 2012/12/20 02:06:11
    Yes
    keeper
    DUH~
  • sick'n'tired PWCM 2012/12/20 00:51:30
    Yes
    sick'n'tired PWCM
    +1
    And bankrupt because of their views.
  • Gryffindor53 2012/12/20 00:40:10
    Yes
    Gryffindor53
    It sorta does it's own thing.
  • BigFig#9 2012/12/19 23:20:39
    No
    BigFig#9
    +1
    Like most Western and NE States they're just a little further ahead in history.... Want to see what the rest of the country will be doing in 25 years? Look at California today. Even the fiscal challenges of the state and their subdivisions is a product of the RWNJ Tea Party politics that visited California some time ago under the guise of Howard Jarvis, Pete Wilson, etc.... California is an abject lesson in the fallout of the 'lower the taxes' and 'cut the services' Tea Party policies.
  • Frank 2012/12/19 22:48:19
    Yes
    Frank
    +1
    It wil belong to Mexico in a few years......
  • Alex DeLarge (ACO) 2012/12/19 19:48:00
    Yes
    Alex DeLarge (ACO)
    Sure is.
    John: what do you know you're just an american little bird.
    Me: least im not a dirty scouse.
    John: OH! IM OFFENDED! *clutches heart in mock horror*
    hmm yes i am a dirty scouse xD
  • Christopher Kirchen 2012/12/19 17:51:04
    Yes
    Christopher Kirchen
    I'd call it a political wasteland.
  • sneekyfoot 2012/12/19 17:32:46
    No
    sneekyfoot
    +1
    Its a good place to be on the monoply board .
  • Sperry23 2012/12/19 17:25:53
    No
    Sperry23
    Every state has it's cultural and political weirdness. Each one is unique. California is just better at advertising it.
  • Bronar 2012/12/19 15:50:18
    No
    Bronar
    I wish.
  • OPOA912 2012/12/19 15:17:17
    Yes
    OPOA912
    +2
    Ever since the libs took over, it's been downhill on a rocket sled.
  • robert.goldsmith.14 2012/12/19 15:10:18 (edited)
  • BigFig#9 robert.... 2012/12/19 23:16:52
    BigFig#9
    +1
    Yea - California is progressive and suffered the ravages of RWNJs like Howard Jarvis long before these morons started to attack the rest of the country.
  • 81sp 2012/12/19 14:41:26
    No
    81sp
    it is simply a map drawn wrong. at one time a few hundred years before people that the
    earth was flat.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2012/12/19 13:07:46
    Yes
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    IT NEEDS TO BE AN ISLAND.

    IT IS THE LAND OF FRUITS AND NUTS.
  • MichaelJ 2012/12/19 12:03:20
    Yes
    MichaelJ
    +5
    I consider California just a closer example of Greece. Don't take that as criticism as the rest of the country is right behind them. Yahoo!! Let's keep on spending!!!!
  • Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA 2012/12/19 11:59:36
    Yes
    Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Should be let to go on their own,
  • SonofSpermcube 2012/12/19 11:28:29
  • UGH...L... SonofSp... 2012/12/20 05:50:35
    UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM ~ JLA ~
    You are correct. But the idiot at the L.A. Times (assuming the the poster really is from there) of this thread seems not to know that.


    mexico
  • Wohuz 2012/12/19 10:44:35
    No
    Wohuz
    +3
    I'm glad liberals are really taking over Texas. Obama won Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and Austin. Let's just hope the GOP doesn't reevaluate it's platform for 2016, unless of course that reevaluation is further to the right, then by all means go for it! Texas will soon be a blue state!
  • biggerman Wohuz 2012/12/19 16:03:08
    biggerman
    +1
    Liberals and Democrats win the urban areas in most every city in America. The welfare community and the low rent housing projects in which they live along with other failed liberal policies have created high density, poorly educated, populations centers in the cities. But, the votes of those who live in smaller towns and rural areas count just as much as their votes.

    http://www-personal.umich.edu...

    I don't think Texas is in any danger of a Communist takeover similar to that in the experience of California.
  • Wohuz biggerman 2012/12/20 08:12:53
    Wohuz
    Than trailer parks and backwoods filled with high density, poorly educated, populations out in the country are an example of failed Conservative policies. Just wait till there is more people living in those cities. Then Texas will be blue.
  • biggerman Wohuz 2013/01/01 22:43:59 (edited)
    biggerman
    I think that you would find that those living in trailer parks would be much more likely to vote for democrats as so many of them are unemployed and receiving tax payer funded assistance. I would also wager that, due to the fact that many businesses and families are moving out of California and other high tax blue states, in favor of "right to work" low tax states, Texas is in little danger of joining the ranks of the bankrupt blue states.
  • Wohuz biggerman 2013/01/02 08:51:52
    Wohuz
    You've obviously never been to a trailer park. And blue states are not all bankrupt. Some of them are, but not all. Blue economic powerhouses like Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington DC, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Seattle all have huge GDP's. New York City alone has a bigger economy than Mexico, South Korea, and the Netherlands! That's one city with a bigger economy than a whole country! And no one is moving out of these cities. Businesses are not moving out of California http://www.ppic.org/content/p...
  • biggerman Wohuz 2013/01/03 01:47:33 (edited)
    biggerman
    Sir, I live in California and I know how indebted California is. California has the highest state income tax in the country and a nearly bankrupt economy. There are a number of cities in this statre that have already officially declared bankruptcy. "Blue economic powerhouses like Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington DC, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Seattle" are all running up debt, businesses are leaving these cities, and their economies are all on the verge of bankruptcy. You really do not have a clue.

    The website you included in your post was giving figures from 1992 - 2006. A lot has changed in the nearly 7 years since. The years covered in that piece do not even include the last 4 years of Obama and the years of Jerry Brown as Governor of California. Good grief, man, you can come up with better crap that that.
  • Wohuz biggerman 2013/01/04 09:46:10
    Wohuz
    Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, but only time will tell.
  • biggerman Wohuz 2013/01/05 04:36:13
    biggerman
    What are you talking about?
  • Wohuz biggerman 2013/01/06 10:28:33
    Wohuz
    I don't believe that those cities will go bankrupt. I believe you are only spouting off a conspiracy theory.
  • Annie biggerman 2012/12/31 01:58:11
    Annie
    +1
    Isn't it great when the most unproductive and uneducated people in the nation determine who will lead our country and set its direction? That's how Communism creeps in -by increasing the poor and ignorant base. Representation without taxation. Scary.

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