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Ice-T Defends Right to Bear Arms After Colorado Shooting: Is He Right On or Way Off?

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Rapper/actor Ice-T has taken a strong stance on last Friday's horrific "Batman" shooting in Aurora, Colo. Regarding the back-in-the-news debate on gun rights, he told Channel 4 London: "It’s legal in the United States. The right to bear arms is because that’s the last form of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt. It’s to protect yourself from the police."

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"And do you see any link between that and this sort of instance?" the host asked the 54-year-old. "No. Not really," he replied. "If somebody wants to kill people, they don’t need a gun to do it."

"Makes it easier though, doesn’t it?" the host said. "Not really. You can strap explosives on your body. They do that all the time," Ice responded. He added, "the United States is based on guns. Like KRS said, you’ll never have justice on stolen land."

Ice later followed up on his comments on Twitter -- and he didn't back down one bit. "My comment on guns got a lot of press.. They call me ‘Gangster’ don’t forget ‘US Army Vet,'" he wrote. He added, "I love how people are soooo SHOCKED to hear something thought provoking said by a rapper.. Hip Hop has changed to POP .. Nobody says sh–." OK, he has a point there ... do you agree with Ice's stance on guns?
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  • Smokey 2012/07/25 16:21:36
    Right on
    Smokey
    +45
    People don't know this, but Ice-T is a registered Republican, along with these famous African-American performers:

    Black Republicans

    1. Ice-T
    2. Puffy (Sean Combs)
    3. Tiger Woods
    4. Bill Cosby
    5. Serena Williams
    6. Dr. Dre
    7. Venessa Williams
    8. Janet Jackson
    9. Warren Moon
    10. Dr. J (Julius Erving)

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  • mae jaybay3 2012/07/30 21:23:12
    mae
    *...yawn...*
  • SW jaybay3 2012/08/03 14:44:45
    SW
    Those chicks have "Meth" written all over them.
  • politicaljunkie 2012/07/26 23:19:25
    Right on
    politicaljunkie
    People kill people. Those intent on doing harm will find a way. Enforsement of existing laws will work as long as lackadaisical attidudes wake up.
  • SW politic... 2012/08/03 16:22:29
    SW
    ...but some things make it a lot easier to kill a lot more people at once. That's why you can't buy C-4 on the open market nor should you be able to in a modern society. When was the last time you heard of a "mass school stabbing?"
  • SW politic... 2012/08/03 16:39:12
    SW
    ...And this whole "If we outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns..." thing... it sounds good but it assumes a very simple world where we have only "outlaws" and "non-outlaws." The problem is most people are somewhere in between with only a few circumstances (or drinks) to put them over that line. 100% of all outlaws were law abiding citizens at one time.
    Let me put it this way...I'm not a drug addict or anything so I'm not going to go to midtown and find a coke dealer, risk getting arrested or robbed and buy an 8 ball. It's just not gonna happen. I'm a law abiding citizen. But... if I were at a party and some girl puts a line on her cleavage hands me a rolled up 100 dollar bill and says "go for it, big boy" there's a certain teenie small chance my long standing not-outlaw-ness might be somewhat... tested at that point. Outlawing --or at least regulating guns makes it harder for outlaws and non-outlaws alike to get guns, and makes it at least somewhat less likely that non-outlaws will become outlaws.
  • Tony Cicarella 2012/07/26 23:10:15
    Right on
    Tony Cicarella
    +2
    I'm shocked but this may actually be an intelligent rapper. I expected him to have the exact opposite to say like most of the Hollywood type. Bravo Ice-T. I still don't like rap music but I respect u as a patriot now!
  • cfd007 2012/07/26 23:04:14
    Right on
    cfd007
    +1
    He wouldn't have lasted very long if a few law-abiding citizens were carrying in there.
  • tesmith47 cfd007 2012/07/27 05:59:15
    tesmith47
    +1
    yeah, i love the idea of a dark theater with 200 folks shooting at each other because no one knows who started it!!!!!
  • Tom Camfield 2012/07/26 22:48:40
    Way off
    Tom Camfield
    How many of teen-age hoods and demented young adults are using guns to "fight tyranny?" Come on! That old tyranny bit was aimed against the King of England back before the Declaration of Independence.

    I for one don't want to got into a park, ball game, bar or wherever knowing that there were people with hidden handguns all over the place. About the only gun-free place these days would be a nude beach.

    I think perhaps the worst is drunks coming out of a bar at closing time and firing away at one another out on the sidewalk.

    I recently read something on the Internet that said 83 Americans are killed by guns each day--the equivalent of a 9/11 every 6 weeks.. I can see women carrying a regular small-caliber handgun or keeping on by their bedside--but I don't see that's power-crazy males don't need one everywhere they go, and that includes Zimmerman.
  • lark Tom Cam... 2012/07/27 01:08:23
    lark
    How many teen-age hoods are getting them legally? If more citizens would get legal guns then they could protect themselves from the hoods.
  • Tom Cam... 2012/07/27 03:02:43
    You clearly do not understand the laws:

    It is ILLEGAL to carry a firearm, even with a permit, while intoxicated.

    Those concealed firearms are possessed by people who have had background checks run by the local police department, and have been granted a permit to purchase and carry (here in MN, it's issued by the sherif or chief of police, I think). They have been through training courses on proper handling, and have been instructed on the laws, and must do this before they are permitted to walk out of a store with the weapon.

    These concealed guns exist to protect their owners and to protect YOU from those shady criminals who get guns illegally. Anyone who abuses these laws or uses guns in a manner that breaks this purpose should go to jail, simple as that.

    As for your numbers... I can see there being 83 nut jobs per day going crazy. Statistically, there are bound to be rotten fruits on the tree of life. You can not blame the MILLIONS of legal, law abiding gun owners who are responsible with their weapons, OR the weapons themselves, for the fact that crazy morons exist. Zimmerman was one of the crazies. HE is the kind of people we need protection from. When seconds count, 911 and the police are minutes away!

    Your view is sadly skewed to favor criminals.

    The only people with guns, if ...



    You clearly do not understand the laws:

    It is ILLEGAL to carry a firearm, even with a permit, while intoxicated.

    Those concealed firearms are possessed by people who have had background checks run by the local police department, and have been granted a permit to purchase and carry (here in MN, it's issued by the sherif or chief of police, I think). They have been through training courses on proper handling, and have been instructed on the laws, and must do this before they are permitted to walk out of a store with the weapon.

    These concealed guns exist to protect their owners and to protect YOU from those shady criminals who get guns illegally. Anyone who abuses these laws or uses guns in a manner that breaks this purpose should go to jail, simple as that.

    As for your numbers... I can see there being 83 nut jobs per day going crazy. Statistically, there are bound to be rotten fruits on the tree of life. You can not blame the MILLIONS of legal, law abiding gun owners who are responsible with their weapons, OR the weapons themselves, for the fact that crazy morons exist. Zimmerman was one of the crazies. HE is the kind of people we need protection from. When seconds count, 911 and the police are minutes away!

    Your view is sadly skewed to favor criminals.

    The only people with guns, if guns become illegal, will be criminals. innocent men and women will be defenseless.

    Also, your sexist comment about a woman needing a gun for defense, but a man not needing one... You really bring shame to humanity with such comments. Are you saying that all men or boorish thugs with no self control, or that men do not deserve protection from danger?

    I'm just gonna go and facepalm at the absurdity of what you said...
    (more)
  • nbarton2 Tom Cam... 2012/07/27 05:20:46 (edited)
    nbarton2
    Those are not facts that you are reading it is injuries and those are not all legally owned firearms in that tally. The vast majority well over 99% of those who carry concealed handguns are not going to start fire fights if that were the case then it would have happened already. Stop believing all the hype Tom
    * Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year—or about 6,850 times a day
    Most of these without actually firing a shot.

    Another interesting fact is that Courts have upheld the rule that police do not have to protect the individual citizen. Warren v. DC thus you may be on your own and may be thankful for an armed citizen.

    Pretty sexist of you to say only a woman should have a small caliber handgun and the Framers of our Constitution knew there was a possibility of a tyrannical government rising in this country thus the 2nd Amendment ensuring that the Right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.
  • tesmith47 nbarton2 2012/07/27 06:03:51
    tesmith47
    your numbers are very suspect, where do these numbers come from? sounds like nra bs to me.
  • nbarton2 tesmith47 2012/07/27 07:44:50 (edited)
    nbarton2
    Study done by NIJ 1997 old but still relevant actually the 2.5 million was a conservative estimate since the high end was around 3.4 million. While this study may be old if the Brady bullies can continue to use a study that blatantly lies about the old "The risk of homicide in the home is three times greater in households with guns." although it has been thoroughly debunked this study has been reproduced with the same results by independent research.
  • SW nbarton2 2012/07/27 15:15:06
    SW
    That's weird I'm 43 and I don't even know anyone who's EVER had to use a personal firearm to protect themselves. I seriously doubt it's 1 in 100 people for every man woman and child in the USA. That math doesn't even make sense. I've sure never needed one. I don't buy those numbers either. Who's NIJ? Do you have a link? Who's "independent research?"
    I call bs.
  • nbarton2 SW 2012/07/27 18:48:17
    nbarton2
    The National Institute for Justice.
  • tesmith47 Tom Cam... 2012/07/27 06:02:19
    tesmith47
    you are right, any fool who thinks his personal side arm or rifle is a match against modern military fire power, and armor is very badly deluded.
    the time when civilians could arm themselves against a government is long gone , like 150 years ago!!!
  • nbarton2 tesmith47 2012/07/27 07:43:27 (edited)
    nbarton2
    That is if you actually believe that a majority of our Armed Forces men and women would actually fire on or attack American civilians or perhaps you have never heard of the wars in South East Asia or Afghanistan (the one against the Soviets in the 80's) great firepower against small forces and they lost.
  • SW nbarton2 2012/08/03 14:43:31
    SW
    It doesn't take the "majority" it only takes 1.
  • Joel B... Tom Cam... 2012/07/27 13:43:58
    Joel	 Buccellato
    Your last two lines, a little sexist much? And may I ask about the teenagers who are not hoods, or the majority of teenagers? Could they bear arms?
  • SW Tom Cam... 2012/07/27 16:26:02
    SW
    +1
    Yeah that's pretty much true. The whole "fighting tyranny" thing is kind of silly if you think about it realistically. In a modern society, ideally you shouldn't need to carry a weapon at all. I mean that should be the goal --no need for one.

    I mean if someone asked do you want to live in a place where you have the freedom to carry a gun around... I'd rather live in a place where I have the freedom not to.
  • snell/GOD & COUNTRY-zero cl... 2012/07/26 22:06:57
    Way off
    snell/GOD & COUNTRY-zero cliques
    IT is straight on but left out one thing: to protect oneself and OTHERS from mentally disturbed individuals such as Holmes, and others that choose to walk in and shoot up the place shedding innocent blood.
  • Tackytiger 2012/07/26 22:04:22
    Way off
    Tackytiger
    I'm voting way off - cos to the outside world it seems crazy to big-up guns when something like this has just happened. However, putting recent events aside I thought he gave a good account of why guns can never and will never be controlled in the US....
  • squire 2012/07/26 21:50:41
    Right on
    squire
    the right to bear arms is constitutional and i have no objection to it. my objection is to the history of the right to bear arms and it's racial unfairness. blacks were always scrutinized more than any race in "so called" america, based on just being black, and considered unworthy and of lower prestige and less intelligent and less responsible than white people; so were were kept "gun short. white people could have all the guns they wanted, and still do, legally and illegally. . white people thought we would use the gun (and the wonton violence) against them the way they were used against us. you even called the gun "the great equalizer". equaling you to what? white people have gone crazy with their guns and have been for centuries since the civil war. those of a particular minset love wars where they can shoot "the enemy" even if the enemy is "made up". world war 1,2,3,vietnam,iraq. you just like to shoot and bloodlet and can't help yourself. you like to throw off the onus on yourselves by talking about chicago and anyother city where blacks reside in great numbers; but it's your collaberations that got it all started. i know the history. guns are white americanna.
  • nbarton2 squire 2012/07/27 05:27:55
    nbarton2
    There was no WW 3
  • squire nbarton2 2012/07/27 21:38:07
    squire
    and what difference does that make. there was korea and some more made up unnecessary war(S) SOMEWHERE ON THIS PLANET AT ALL TIMES.
  • silverhorn 2012/07/26 21:37:23
    Right on
    silverhorn
    +1
    Agree with the premise but do we really need 100 clip weapons? People always say it doesn't happen in other countries but it does... maybe not guns but what about the subway bombing in London '05 and the shooting in Norway... when do we try to discover why people do this instead of how they do it?
  • Joel B... silverhorn 2012/07/27 13:49:29
    Joel	 Buccellato
    It would be great to figure out why they do it, the problem is they either kill themselves or are completely insane.
  • SW 2012/07/26 20:56:11
    Way off
    SW
    +1
    "Hey look at that guy shooting a bunch of people randomly in a theater, school or post office!" --said no one in Great Britain ever.
  • silverhorn SW 2012/07/26 21:31:04
    silverhorn
    +3
    Hey look at those guys blowing up the subway and killing a lot of innocent people - said people in Great Britain. I get your point Way Off... but you really should do a little research first
  • Jennife... silverhorn 2012/07/26 21:42:05
    Jennifer Maesner
    +3
    Wow, how did our violent crime rate get so high without guns? Ask the people of Great Britain, when reflecting on their rate that is 9 times higher than ours, making it the violent crime capital of the world.
  • JakeJ277 Jennife... 2012/07/27 02:19:00
    JakeJ277
    Lol. Lawyered.
  • nbarton2 Jennife... 2012/07/27 07:53:48
    nbarton2
    ooooh the fact hurt.
  • SW nbarton2 2012/07/27 14:57:06
    SW
    Not as much as mine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Us murder rate is 4.3... Great Britain it's 1.23. Do the math.
  • SW Jennife... 2012/07/27 14:55:41
    SW
    The murder rate per capita in USA is 4.3. In Great Britain it's 1.23.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The ONLY reason it's the "violent crime capital in the world" is because recently the laws changed there so that if you blow something up it counts as a separate crime for every single object that blew up. The number is inflated. Gun nuts leave out those little details don't they.

    Still, almost 4 times the murder rate any way you slice it you're safer in Great Britain than in US. My point stands. Game set match.
  • Jennife... SW 2012/08/01 16:24:12
    Jennifer Maesner
    My facts from from the government from sites of the UK and the US, not some inaccurate website anyone can edit, but nice try.
  • SW Jennife... 2012/08/08 18:06:35
    SW
    Go try to edit those numbers and see what happens. The sources are DOJ and Interpol. If you have better murder per capita numbers go ahead and show us a link.
  • Jennife... SW 2012/08/15 17:13:06
    Jennifer Maesner
    I'm on mobile. I don't know how to post the links. Do a search from the FBI website for violent crime rate statistics in 2011. Then go to the UK national statistics website, and do a search for violent crime statistics for 2010. Those two years were the most recent years each website had. I would have much prefered a straight across comparison. it is also worth mentioning that the European commission and united nations both rank the UK number one for violent crime, and the US doesn't even make the top 10.
  • nbarton2 SW 2012/07/27 05:28:33 (edited)
    nbarton2
    No they use bombs
    Gun-free England not such a utopia after all. According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997. And according to a United Nations study, British citizens are more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States. The 2000 report shows that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of other industrialized nations, including the United States Even today it is leading all other industrialized nations in violent crime so they are still killing each other it just isn't publicized as much since we wouldn't want Liberals to make it look like Gun Control didn't work.
  • SW nbarton2 2012/07/27 15:01:22
    SW
    +1
    You're seriously more likely to be struck by lightning holding a winning lottery ticket than get blown up by a bomb in Great Britain. Any way you slice it there's almost 4 times the murders per capita here than in Great Britain. And the 2000 report is skewed by the fact that things that constitute violent crimes are reported vastly differently than here. For example if you blow up a car and it breaks the windows of 10 cars around it, that's 10 violent crimes plus anyone who's injured or killed. Not sure how having a handgun is going to protect you from car bombs, but anyhow....

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