Nope . Not a chance in the world . Chromosome count is fixed. It's impossible. Each animal has a different chromosome count. If it changes you turn to a retard.
Incorrect. Human chromosome #2 is definitely a fusion of ape chromosomes #1 & #2. We know exactly how it happened and can estimate when. We are apes. Next.
Evolution clearly shows that we did not come from "apes", because we ARE primates. We merely share a common ancestor with the other primate species still alive today.
I never understood the whole "then why are there still apes" argument anyway. There are still fish, and we clearly evolved from fish. This is why all mammals have left and right limbs instead of say, eight radial limbs.
This question is quite nonsensical. No one believes that humans evolved from apes, so the question is just pointless. The theory is that we both evolved from a like bodied ancestor O.o
Simply another theory, although it’s been around a lot longer! It's up to us as individuals to decide what to believe. Both are based on faith, one in God, the other in Darwin, or for some a combination of both.
I didn't insult anyone. I mentioned two theories and made it clear that everyone has the right to believe the one they want. Who did I insult in the process?
Evolution most certainly is a theory developed by man. Like gravity, it is also the name for a real phenomenon that has been conclusively shown to take place. The theory is just our collective understanding of how it works, and the theory of evolution is MUCH more complete than the theory of gravity. We don't have a clue how gravity works.
No ape-man. One is an accurate description of what actually happens and if supported by every single piece of evidence we have. Creationism is an iron-age fantasy.
There is a vast chasm of difference between "just a theory" and a "scientific theory". Using this as an excuse will not work, because it is not correct.
Two most important things to remember: No scientific theory will ever "graduate" to anything else. A scientific theory will always represent the best explanation for a set of evidence to date.
It just so happens Evolution is one of the most evidenced "scientific theories", ever. Creationism, on the other hand, is not even a scientific theory, let alone one that "competes" with Evolution. It fails to comply with even the most basic scientific scrutinies, operates on sheer assumption and some of the worst understanding of basic discovery processes one is likely to find.
It is a fanciful wish for religious people, not much more, and the only place we even find this silly debate in Western society is in certain parts of the US... and it is embarrassing. If there is something to add to the theory, the theory takes it in. That is is how science works. Sadly, creationism has only added confusion, a distrust of science and a green light on assuming BS. Not good, IMO.
Science or not, evolution is still simply a theory developed by man, as is the theory of divine creation. Unlike you who seem to enjoy putting down those that don't believe as you do I think people need to make up their own minds as to what they believe, evolution, divine creation or a combination of both.
"Sadly, creationism has only added confusion, a distrust of science and a green light on assuming BS. Not good, IMO."
Sadly, I have to disagree since the belief in divine creation far predates that of Darwin (1809) or his theory in 1895. Therefore, in reality the theory of evolution is really the one that adds confusion, and distrust of the bible and a green light to choose man over God.
evolution is still simply a theory developed by man, as is the theory of divine creation The only one worthy of attention, however, should be the one that is actually evidenced. This disconnect is strange.
Unlike you who seem to enjoy putting down those that don't believe as you do I am not putting you down, I am putting down your arguments through rational discourse. This should never, ever be demonized. It is how we learn things. It is your fault you have made utterly faith based beliefs so personal, not mine. I completely understand the defensive nature faith based believers feels when having their beliefs challenged, but this is a semi-anonymous website built around opinion gathering. If you make a statement here, you have no right to suggest it is disrespectful to challenge you on them. That is ridiculous to suggest. You need to simply back them up with evidence. If you cannot, then you should have no reason to expect I should believe anything you say on the matter. This is not disrespectful, this is normal discussion between intelligent beings.
Sadly, I have to disagree since the belief in divine creation far predates that of Darwin (1809) or his theory in 1895. If this was a contest about age, then yes, belief in many, many Gods predates Darwin. But that is not the top...
evolution is still simply a theory developed by man, as is the theory of divine creation The only one worthy of attention, however, should be the one that is actually evidenced. This disconnect is strange.
Unlike you who seem to enjoy putting down those that don't believe as you do I am not putting you down, I am putting down your arguments through rational discourse. This should never, ever be demonized. It is how we learn things. It is your fault you have made utterly faith based beliefs so personal, not mine. I completely understand the defensive nature faith based believers feels when having their beliefs challenged, but this is a semi-anonymous website built around opinion gathering. If you make a statement here, you have no right to suggest it is disrespectful to challenge you on them. That is ridiculous to suggest. You need to simply back them up with evidence. If you cannot, then you should have no reason to expect I should believe anything you say on the matter. This is not disrespectful, this is normal discussion between intelligent beings.
Sadly, I have to disagree since the belief in divine creation far predates that of Darwin (1809) or his theory in 1895. If this was a contest about age, then yes, belief in many, many Gods predates Darwin. But that is not the topic.
For example, the belief that the Earth was flat predates the understanding that it is not. By your logic, the Earth is still flat...
No matter, as evolution has absolutely nothing to say on whether or not there is a God, is does not explain the origin of the Universe, it does not even attempt to explain the origin of life. It only explains the body of evidence we have (which is MASSIVE) that quite clearly shows living things change over time. It explains, in painstaking detail across dozens of scientific fields of study over 150 years through unparalleled scrutiny from religious zealotry, that life has evolved. The evidence quite clearly shows us how biological diversity works. Nothing more.
and distrust of the bible Once again, everything should be distrusted. The only thing that moves the bar of respect, is evidence.
As I said all along, it's up to each individual to decide what to believe. Neither has been proven wrong nor right so it is by faith that we make our choice. My faith is in God, yours is in man. A happy and content stalemate as it were! In addition, there is always a third chose, by creating an evolutionary stew of both theories that pleases both sides of the coin.
Nothing is ever proven, unless you are a mathemtician or a lawyer. So, if you are waiting for something to be "proven" before you will "believe" in it, you will never believe in anything of substance, and you will be willing to accept things that have none.
Not a wise way to go about things, but, to each their own.
My faith is in God, yours is in man. Completely wrong. The only difference between us is that you are OK with believing in things without evidence, and I only believe in things that have it.
It is no more complicated than that. Honestly. While evolution has absolutely nothing to do with religion in any way, I understand why some faith based believers find this reality to be detrimental. It renders a particular narrative in your God's dogma, incorrect.
Sorry about that, and again, not our fault. The fault lies once again in your willingness to believe, wholeheartedly, in things non-evidenced. You will have to live with being wrong quite often with that sort of logic in hand. FYI...
The good news is at 65, I won't have to live much longer being wrong as you put it. At least I live my life respecting what others believe and not trying to prove them wrong.
You called my belief in divine creation “silly” and “a fanciful wish for religious people” while I stated that both evolution and divine creation were simply theories and could even exist hand in hand. If anyone is at fault it lies in your unwillingness to believe in things un-seen and have an open mind, and a small amount of faith, that there just might be something, or someone greater than man. With that thought in mind I put some hope in evolution and that someday you might evolve to have a softer heart and be more tolerant of what others believe and hold near to their hearts.
f anyone is at fault it lies in your unwillingness to believe in things un-seen I am sorry. You do not understand that this is the only thing I have an issue with, and yet here you are, once again suggesting that believing in things without evidence is a good thing.
that there just might be something, or someone greater than man There IS, and it is all around you! It is called nature. It is far bigger than humans, it is vastly more complex, infinitely more awe-inspiring, and instills a sense of humility that no bronze aged mythology could ever do.
Now, back to things that progress human understanding and humility....
Evolution has been proven to occur--we are only debating the details Creation--taken broadly enough--can never be proven wrong. The biblical account in genesis, however, has.
Evolution clearly shows that we did not come from "apes", because we ARE primates. We merely share a common ancestor with the other primate species still alive today.
No one suggests we are descendents of any ape species that is still around today. We merely share a common, distant, and extinct ancestor with them.
http://www.evolution.mbdojo.c...
Two most important things to remember: No scientific theory will ever "graduate" to anything else. A scientific theory will always represent the best explanation for a set of evidence to date.
It just so happens Evolution is one of the most evidenced "scientific theories", ever. Creationism, on the other hand, is not even a scientific theory, let alone one that "competes" with Evolution. It fails to comply with even the most basic scientific scrutinies, operates on sheer assumption and some of the worst understanding of basic discovery processes one is likely to find.
It is a fanciful wish for religious people, not much more, and the only place we even find this silly debate in Western society is in certain parts of the US... and it is embarrassing. If there is something to add to the theory, the theory takes it in. That is is how science works. Sadly, creationism has only added confusion, a distrust of science and a green light on assuming BS. Not good, IMO.
"Sadly, creationism has only added confusion, a distrust of science and a green light on assuming BS. Not good, IMO."
Sadly, I have to disagree since the belief in divine creation far predates that of Darwin (1809) or his theory in 1895. Therefore, in reality the theory of evolution is really the one that adds confusion, and distrust of the bible and a green light to choose man over God.
The only one worthy of attention, however, should be the one that is actually evidenced. This disconnect is strange.
Unlike you who seem to enjoy putting down those that don't believe as you do
I am not putting you down, I am putting down your arguments through rational discourse. This should never, ever be demonized. It is how we learn things. It is your fault you have made utterly faith based beliefs so personal, not mine. I completely understand the defensive nature faith based believers feels when having their beliefs challenged, but this is a semi-anonymous website built around opinion gathering. If you make a statement here, you have no right to suggest it is disrespectful to challenge you on them. That is ridiculous to suggest. You need to simply back them up with evidence. If you cannot, then you should have no reason to expect I should believe anything you say on the matter. This is not disrespectful, this is normal discussion between intelligent beings.
Sadly, I have to disagree since the belief in divine creation far predates that of Darwin (1809) or his theory in 1895.
If this was a contest about age, then yes, belief in many, many Gods predates Darwin. But that is not the top...
The only one worthy of attention, however, should be the one that is actually evidenced. This disconnect is strange.
I am not putting you down, I am putting down your arguments through rational discourse. This should never, ever be demonized. It is how we learn things. It is your fault you have made utterly faith based beliefs so personal, not mine. I completely understand the defensive nature faith based believers feels when having their beliefs challenged, but this is a semi-anonymous website built around opinion gathering. If you make a statement here, you have no right to suggest it is disrespectful to challenge you on them. That is ridiculous to suggest. You need to simply back them up with evidence. If you cannot, then you should have no reason to expect I should believe anything you say on the matter. This is not disrespectful, this is normal discussion between intelligent beings.
If this was a contest about age, then yes, belief in many, many Gods predates Darwin. But that is not the topic.
For example, the belief that the Earth was flat predates the understanding that it is not. By your logic, the Earth is still flat...
No matter, as evolution has absolutely nothing to say on whether or not there is a God, is does not explain the origin of the Universe, it does not even attempt to explain the origin of life. It only explains the body of evidence we have (which is MASSIVE) that quite clearly shows living things change over time. It explains, in painstaking detail across dozens of scientific fields of study over 150 years through unparalleled scrutiny from religious zealotry, that life has evolved. The evidence quite clearly shows us how biological diversity works. Nothing more.
Once again, everything should be distrusted. The only thing that moves the bar of respect, is evidence.
Not a wise way to go about things, but, to each their own.
Completely wrong. The only difference between us is that you are OK with believing in things without evidence, and I only believe in things that have it.
It is no more complicated than that. Honestly. While evolution has absolutely nothing to do with religion in any way, I understand why some faith based believers find this reality to be detrimental. It renders a particular narrative in your God's dogma, incorrect.
Sorry about that, and again, not our fault. The fault lies once again in your willingness to believe, wholeheartedly, in things non-evidenced. You will have to live with being wrong quite often with that sort of logic in hand. FYI...
You called my belief in divine creation “silly” and “a fanciful wish for religious people” while I stated that both evolution and divine creation were simply theories and could even exist hand in hand. If anyone is at fault it lies in your unwillingness to believe in things un-seen and have an open mind, and a small amount of faith, that there just might be something, or someone greater than man. With that thought in mind I put some hope in evolution and that someday you might evolve to have a softer heart and be more tolerant of what others believe and hold near to their hearts.
I am sorry. You do not understand that this is the only thing I have an issue with, and yet here you are, once again suggesting that believing in things without evidence is a good thing.
There IS, and it is all around you! It is called nature. It is far bigger than humans, it is vastly more complex, infinitely more awe-inspiring, and instills a sense of humility that no bronze aged mythology could ever do.
Now, back to things that progress human understanding and humility....
Good luck with that my friend!
Sorry.