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Does Joe Paterno’s Statue Need to Be Removed?

Chris D 2012/07/13 20:00:00
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There has been new damaging evidence brought to light in the past few days that Joe Paterno covered up what he knew about child molester Jerry Sandusky in order not to tarnish the reputation of Penn State University and its sacred football program. It seems that Joe Paterno has tarnished his entire legacy, the football program and the university itself by not doing the right thing and turning Jerry in to authorities.

Bobby Bowden, the longtime Florida State football coach, and close friend of Joe Paterno says that the statue of Paterno on the Penn State campus should be removed. Do you agree with him?

SPORTS.YAHOO.COM reports:
When news surfaced of Joe Paterno's connection with a child sex scandal at Penn State, former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden proclaimed that he only wanted to remember the good things about his friend of 50 years.
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  • gynger.fyer 2012/07/14 05:45:53 (edited)
    Yes, take it down!
    gynger.fyer
    +14
    All the records in the world won't give those boys their innocence back. We should not idolize people who don't protect children from preditors. When an athlete is found to be doping, they strip them of all their medals. This is no different.

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  • Ysggirb S* 2012/07/16 21:37:25
    Ysggirb
    +2
    Refusal to read, refusal to be honest ...amazing how that hampers the human mind.

    Depresses me at times to know I belong to the same species. I wonder if you can opt out into another one. Ah, there’s probably a long waiting list.
  • Ace Ysggirb 2012/07/18 11:07:40 (edited)
    Ace
    +2
    If you're a well cared for cat you could become a god in your own mind. The waiting list for that species must be too long though. Now that I think of it, I don't think you have to be a cat to have that mis-perception.

    I think there is something else behind the 'hampering'. There must be a WILLINGNESS to disregard the priority of the welfare of children being sexually abused. It resembles the disregard shown by the people involved in the matter. There is a duty to report, especially by people in such positions of authority and trust over the children. Ben Zander is a good example. There are consequences.
  • Ysggirb Ace 2012/07/19 02:37:39
    Ysggirb
    +1
    Yes, but there is a VAST difference between what Zander did and what Paterno did. Zander was aware of Benjamin’s history (pre-dating his employment with the NEC), but he was NOT aware of any child having been harmed by Benjamin from the time he started filming for the Conservatory. In fact, there were no such incidents. However, that didn’t give him the right to unilaterally make the decision that there was no risk to the children. Management of the NEC should have been made aware. He failed both the children and the Conservatory and he lost his post over it, which is precisely what should have happened.

    Paterno knew of a real, current danger to children in allowing Sandusky to use university property. He knew Sandusky had raped children, yet he did nothing to stop him. That makes him an accomplice of sorts to what Sandusky did. If he had forbidden him access to the university and reported him to authorities, some of those children wouldn’t have been raped. That shows an unconscionable lack of morality. And what he did was a criminal offence: blatant child endangerment.

    I don’t mean to diminish what Zander did, but I do want to make utterly clear the distinction between the two situations. I do not consider Zander to be completely lacking in moral character, as I d...
    Yes, but there is a VAST difference between what Zander did and what Paterno did. Zander was aware of Benjamin’s history (pre-dating his employment with the NEC), but he was NOT aware of any child having been harmed by Benjamin from the time he started filming for the Conservatory. In fact, there were no such incidents. However, that didn’t give him the right to unilaterally make the decision that there was no risk to the children. Management of the NEC should have been made aware. He failed both the children and the Conservatory and he lost his post over it, which is precisely what should have happened.

    Paterno knew of a real, current danger to children in allowing Sandusky to use university property. He knew Sandusky had raped children, yet he did nothing to stop him. That makes him an accomplice of sorts to what Sandusky did. If he had forbidden him access to the university and reported him to authorities, some of those children wouldn’t have been raped. That shows an unconscionable lack of morality. And what he did was a criminal offence: blatant child endangerment.

    I don’t mean to diminish what Zander did, but I do want to make utterly clear the distinction between the two situations. I do not consider Zander to be completely lacking in moral character, as I do Paterno. I do think he made a grievous error in judgement. His punishment was/is having lost a position he held and loved for 45 years. In my mind, that punishment is sufficient for his ‘crime’.
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  • Common ... S* 2012/07/17 01:23:08
    Common Sense Conservative
    What did he know? You haven't answered what it is he knew.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/17 05:24:58
    S*
    +2
    have you read the report? I am going to make two assumptions, the first is that Joe Paterno was of at least ordinary intelligence. He was told that one of his coaches was in the shower with an adolescence, spooning in the showers, playing "hiding the hoagie", and when the school officials held a meeting to decide what to do after deciding to go to the authorities with the information, after this meeting with Joe Paterno, they decided to do nothing. The Football program brings in nearly 150 million dollars a year to the school.
    Let that sink in, $150 million. Penn State was second after Texas.
    http://aol.sportingnews.com/n...
    I am going to make another wild assumption, that you, even with below average intelligence, should have the people responsible for these incidents, and these continued incidences be held accountable. If someone was raping your son, I would trust that you would want him protected by the supervisors of the man doing the raping, not turning a blind eye to rapes in the coach's facilities, but I perhaps I have misread you, you would not mind your son being repeated raped on a university campus, because people felt the football program was more important than your son.

    As to what Joe really knew, luckily he is dead, and idiots like you can suggest he was a ...

    have you read the report? I am going to make two assumptions, the first is that Joe Paterno was of at least ordinary intelligence. He was told that one of his coaches was in the shower with an adolescence, spooning in the showers, playing "hiding the hoagie", and when the school officials held a meeting to decide what to do after deciding to go to the authorities with the information, after this meeting with Joe Paterno, they decided to do nothing. The Football program brings in nearly 150 million dollars a year to the school.
    Let that sink in, $150 million. Penn State was second after Texas.
    http://aol.sportingnews.com/n...
    I am going to make another wild assumption, that you, even with below average intelligence, should have the people responsible for these incidents, and these continued incidences be held accountable. If someone was raping your son, I would trust that you would want him protected by the supervisors of the man doing the raping, not turning a blind eye to rapes in the coach's facilities, but I perhaps I have misread you, you would not mind your son being repeated raped on a university campus, because people felt the football program was more important than your son.

    As to what Joe really knew, luckily he is dead, and idiots like you can suggest he was a great man, but in actuality, he was a poor leader and poor manager if these things were happening under his nose for 20 years.

    You can play stupid, I suspect you are not as stupid as you sound, but you remind me of a teenager who says, I do not know, when asked how the window was broken, standing there with a baseball glove and bat and his friends bugging out of the back yard.
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  • Common ... S* 2012/07/17 16:04:41
    Common Sense Conservative
    This is dumb because you are doing nothing more than making shi1 up. Go ahead and help ruin lives in this World if you'd like because you are no better than Sandusky at this point.

    I hope that someday one of your family members isn't in a similar situation with people only thinking and saying the owrst when they don't know.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/17 16:10:35
    S*
    +2
    I am no better than Sandusky? LOL. You are no better than Paterno to allow a child rapist to work unhindered for a lifetime. What did I make up? Read the report. You are just saying there is no proof, but there is testimony that supports the fact Paterno knew something was amiss and did nothing.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/17 16:53:31
    Common Sense Conservative
    He was told that one of his coaches was in the shower with an adolescence, spooning in the showers, playing "hiding the hoagie

    Enough said.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/17 16:14:29
    S*
    +2
    Do me a favor and grace us with you rendition of what you think went down in the shower and what Joe was thinking when he did nothing to dozens of kids.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/17 16:57:15
    Common Sense Conservative
    What I know happened in the shower and what Joe Paterno was told what was seen in the shower is 2 completely different things.

    Go ahead and persecute his family for assuming the worst. You're a saint. Have you been reporting all of the pedophiles in your neighborhood? They are right across your street and you know they are, but you would rather dwell on a 72 year old man that wasn't told the entire story.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/17 20:13:58
    S*
    +2
    If you have knowledge of a crime, you have responsibility to report it, but not the right to persecute people because you do not like them, That is where your fallacy does not hold up.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/17 23:17:45
    Common Sense Conservative
    What crime did Joe Paterno know was committed?
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/18 03:12:24
    S*
    +2
    Raider, I did not say Joe committed a crime, the crime was committed by Sandusky, but unreported by the school, of which Joe was a large part of.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/18 05:57:51
    Common Sense Conservative
    What was it that Joe Paterno knew? What was he told that had happened.

    BTW, if he hadn't committed a crime, why are people saying that if he were alive today he would be brought up on charges?

    Like I said before, IF he knew everything, he's rotting in hell.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/18 06:17:26
    S*
    +2
    I will end this is an agreement to disagree. My stance remains, he knew since 1998 that Sandusky was inappropriate with young boys, and he did nothing. If you wish to idolize him to the point of denial of rational thought, that is your business.
    Life is for the living, Joe is dead, you appear more concerned with his legacy than the boys that were raped on his watch, even when he said, He did not do enough. I agree with Joe. You can argue all you wish, but the facts, the testimony, the reports, eye witnesses, more victims emerging as the days pass, and common sense all point to the fact he was in possession of the facts, and he did nothing. Nothing. If you would do the same same thing, then you too will rot in hell. Goodbye.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/18 16:24:03
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  • Common ... S* 2012/07/18 16:26:23
    Common Sense Conservative
    I think the University should be dealt the death penalty as well.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/22 15:42:38
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/22 21:42:48
    Common Sense Conservative
    Sure, that helps everything to be right now.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/22 21:47:23
    S*
    it rights one wrong, is all.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/22 21:49:06
    Common Sense Conservative
    To you it was a wrong, to millions of others a right was wronged.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/22 23:20:49
    S*
    millions? You speak for more than yourself? Very bold, considering it flies in the face of the facts. More people wanted it gone, therefore it is gone.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/22 23:55:17
    Common Sense Conservative
    Great, since you have these facts go ahead and show us the voting results for this.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/23 04:04:50
    S*
    The statue is down. That was the vote.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/23 16:21:51
    Common Sense Conservative
    LOL, I'm pretty sure that was a one man vote. Good for him. That's his job.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/23 16:53:40
    S*
    You can convince yourself of anything apparently.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/23 18:39:02
    Common Sense Conservative
    OK, please tell us all who all at the University voted on the matter.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/23 21:36:03
    S*
    this poll is 2 to 1 in favor of taking it down.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/24 00:01:15
    Common Sense Conservative
    Yea, the President looked here 1st before he made his decision.

    Brilliant!!!
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/24 00:30:08
    S*
    LOL. I extrapolated this to the greater public, it has been my experience, but I have not polled many people.But All the signs seem consistent with what is reflected here.
  • Common ... S* 2012/07/24 00:34:13
    Common Sense Conservative
    I'm glad they took it down too. But not for the reasons you want it down.
  • S* Common ... 2012/07/24 00:40:17
    S*
    I wish you all the best, Raider, be safe.
  • Ace S* 2012/07/18 11:04:38
    Ace
    +1
    I wondered the same thing. You may be getting warmer in the 'hot and cold' game.
  • seattleman 2012/07/13 23:35:00
    Yes, take it down!
    seattleman
    If he were still alive, he would be facing criminal charges. I will never have any respect for that fraud. Take it down!
  • Lana seattleman 2012/07/13 23:38:11
    Lana
    +1
    I believe you are right, sad to say.
  • 3kidsandamom 2012/07/13 23:30:24 (edited)
    Yes, take it down!
    3kidsandamom
    +1
    A pedophile supporter really doesn't need a statue in their honor, his actions or purposeful inaction have brought disgrace and shame to the university and any good he may have done while there.
  • Sofahead 2012/07/13 23:28:52
    Yes, take it down!
    Sofahead
    They need to change the name of school too if they do.
  • Lana Sofahead 2012/07/13 23:40:09
    Lana
    I live in PA and I agree that it should be changed !
  • Pat 2012/07/13 23:26:03
    Yes, take it down!
    Pat
    +1
    I think it has to come down. It is a shame because of the sports legend and legacy that he left Penn State but he knew Sandusky was molesting children and he did nothing. He never even approached Sandusky, none of them did. The whole bunch should be punished. But the statue will forever be tarnished by this abomination.

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