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L.A. Times 2012/11/19 18:56:00
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The city of Santa Monica can bar seasonal displays, including a Nativity scene that has appeared in Palisades Park for nearly 60 years, a federal judge ruled Monday.

In a closely watched case that has attracted national attention, Judge Audrey B. Collins denied a request from the Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee to erect multiple large displays depicting the story of the birth of Jesus in the park overlooking the ocean. The coalition of churches has erected the displays every December since the 1950s.

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  • iamco2000 2012/11/19 23:52:55
    Yes
    iamco2000
    +19
    It is our foundational and inalienable right as American Citizens to openly speak and display our opinion as outlined protected speech in the American Constitution. NO WHERE does it say "Separation of church and state" in the constitution and no how should Christians or ANY religious groups be prohibited from openly and freely practicing and expressing their faith AS THEY CHOOSE AND SEE FIT.

    The constitution PROTECTS rights TO exercise, it does not PREVENT anyone FROM exercising their perspective and rights and the sooner America wakes up and smells that coffee the better off we'll all be!

    Grace to you, Glory to God!

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  • sm237 2012/11/27 19:21:39
    Yes
    sm237
    Jesus is the reason for the season.....
  • America... sm237 2013/01/05 15:07:32
  • DougE 2012/11/27 17:34:10
    Yes
    DougE
    What's more offensive, homosexuality or Jesus? Funny what this demoralized socieity accepts and what it attacks. Can you say the fall of Rome 2?
  • America... DougE 2013/01/05 15:07:39
    American☆Atheist
    Jesus
  • sm237 America... 2013/01/06 22:57:29
    sm237
    I would never question your right to believe or not to believe. But I will leave you with this thought to ponder....If you are living like there is no God, you BETTER BE RIGHT...
  • America... sm237 2013/01/11 16:21:17
    American☆Atheist
    And you better be right about there not being a god that will punish you for being christian.
  • l 2012/11/27 17:27:14
    Yes
    l
    Live and Let Live! This kind of thing is unbeliveable!
  • hiram 2012/11/27 17:25:07
  • America... hiram 2013/01/05 15:08:02
    American☆Atheist
    I agree, the scene need to be banned.
  • hiram America... 2013/01/07 20:32:04
  • Old Salt 2012/11/27 16:31:58
  • Soundstorm Old Salt 2012/11/27 16:57:39
    Soundstorm
    +3
    Atheist activists are our modern equivalent of white Southern racists who were offended at sharing the same lunch counter with their black fellow citizens.
  • America... Old Salt 2013/01/05 15:08:49
    American☆Atheist
    Would you say the same to this? flying spegetti monster statue
  • AdLib 2012/11/27 16:20:32
    No
    AdLib
    +2
    The town center in which the Christians want to erect their nativity scene is for the (general public) not just for the believers. I think the NSC should move their display to church property.
  • Soundstorm AdLib 2012/11/27 16:55:29
    Soundstorm
    +1
    The town center is not just for atheists either.
  • AdLib Soundstorm 2012/11/27 17:00:04
    AdLib
    Which is why it should remain neutral.
  • Soundstorm AdLib 2012/11/27 17:05:30 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    Neutral is a partisan stance as well even if it's a meaningless one.
  • AdLib Soundstorm 2012/11/28 16:39:44
    AdLib
    Then we should allow menorahs and the Islamic Star and Crescent to be displayed on public land right along side the nativity, because they are both symbols with secular meaning and not just faith-based. The nativity depicts a scene of questionable historic accuracy, therefore is purely religious in meaning and symbolism.

    If we are to be a true free society, then it is imperative we keep any and all religious beliefs/symbols out of governance and public display.

    ernestine rose quote
  • Soundstorm AdLib 2012/11/30 04:28:10
    Soundstorm
    The public displays of Judaism and Islam are best left up to their adherents rather than some government decree to represent a muddle of religious beliefs in one public spot in an obsessed attempt to be fair to everybody. And let's not forget that it's still the public municipality's duty to represent the community that elected it which is still in this day and age made up of a majority of citizens who celebrate Christmas. Being of no religious faith doesn't make you the boss of everybody.

    What did Ernistine Rose think we'd end up with if children weren't taught religion by their parents?
  • Cap 2012/11/27 16:03:03
    Yes
    Cap
    +1
    I see a bit of a disconnect here. I fully support opposition to judicial interference with displays of municipally-licensed Nativity Scenes. In this case, however, the municipality seems to be opposing such a display. Ordinarily that would mean I'd support the municipality. However, my understanding is that this municipality permitted 'Occupy Wall Street' demonstrations that were far more intrusive of resident sensibilities than the Nativity Scenes in question and derided the need to reconcile its position. In that case, an injunction to me seems appropriate.
  • Elephant Lord 2012/11/27 15:51:49
    Yes
    Elephant Lord
    +1
    But then don't complain if you see a Hanukkah or Ramadan display on public property.
  • Soundstorm Elephan... 2012/11/27 16:54:22
    Soundstorm
    +2
    You never see me complain about anybody else's free expression of their faith. Only the left is constantly making all the fuss.
  • Elephan... Soundstorm 2012/11/28 04:06:25
    Elephant Lord
    +1
    I wasn't complaining. I'm totally cool with Christianity, and think that it's a great religion. I was just stating a fact. And from personal experience, I have never seen anyone complain about Christmas decorations and people saying "Merry Christmas". You know what I do see? Idiots going on rants about the "war on Christmas" every time they see a store sign that says "Happy Holidays". So for your information, the right is also constantly making a fuss.
  • Soundstorm Elephan... 2012/11/30 04:35:50
    Soundstorm
    Your experience doesn't speak for everybody else. Especially not for Christians who find themselves fighting a defensive war every Christmas season against being pushed out of the public square. We're justifiably worried about the constitutionally illiterate idiots running city hall who stir up trouble themselves by their administrative attempts to repress public expressions of Christian faith in particular as if this were Mainland China.
  • JimTheGeek 2012/11/27 15:30:51
    No
    JimTheGeek
    Maybe. I have no problem with churches and individuals erecting these dioramas on their property. However, on public/government property they should only be allowed if there is sufficient space to also allow Jewish, Muslim, LDS, Druid, etc. displays. The situation should be all inclusive, just like the rest of the U.S.
    It's my understanding that the spaces available in this block long display area are raffled off to those who apply for space. If through this random lottery, the "Christian" applicants lose, then that's too bad. They have a chance just like any other group.
  • Mandy 2012/11/27 15:26:54
    No
    Mandy
    It's up to the city to decide if they want to allow holiday displays, and they decided they don't anymore. It's not really that big of a deal. They're not outlawing the display of nativity scenes on private property.
  • hippycat 2012/11/27 14:26:35
    Yes
    hippycat
    +2
    sorry, I meant 'no'. times have changed, it's now a much more multicultural society. I wouldn't want to see large displays of the story of Jesus. Mind you, I am not really bothered.
  • Soundstorm hippycat 2012/11/27 16:59:30
    Soundstorm
    +1
    If you're so multicultural minded why would you have a problem with any public display of a faith you don't believe?
  • hippycat Soundstorm 2012/11/27 18:02:18
    hippycat
    I said I'd be happy to see a 'faith week' or something similar where everyone can display what's holiest to their faith - that's a bit later on though. If you're interested, please read further posts.
  • Soundstorm hippycat 2012/11/27 19:03:43
    Soundstorm
    The problem is the dates of observance are not negotiable for most particular faiths. Take the Jewish Passover, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur for instance. And it's not our government's constitutional role to assign dates of observance for any religious faith any more than it is to establish an official state religion. Now stop agitating to get the government to meddle in my religious observances and let me enjoy Christmas already!
  • hippycat Soundstorm 2012/11/27 20:13:00
    hippycat
    LOL - I referred you to other posts - if you feel the need to respond that's your business. No one is establishing a state religion or trying to. I love the idea of a multi-cultural faiths week as all faiths are equally valid or invalid .the whole thing is not a big deal to me anyhow
    I presume your last sentence was meant to be ironic.....
  • Soundstorm hippycat 2012/11/30 04:41:28
    Soundstorm
    What other posts did you refer me too?
  • hippycat Soundstorm 2012/11/30 12:40:19
    hippycat
    I was referring to my previous posts as I don't see why I should repeat myself over and over for you. what else could I have meant?
  • wedge56 2012/11/27 14:06:57
    Yes
    wedge56
    +2
    Bah! What harm can it do? If they have been doing it that long, then they should be grandfathered in or something.
  • ivegotloveinmypants 2012/11/27 13:21:51
    Yes
    ivegotloveinmypants
    +4
    Ehhh...what happened to religious freedom? And this is an agnostic asking.
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2012/11/27 13:15:37
  • ivegotl... Che Gue... 2012/11/27 13:23:21
    ivegotloveinmypants
    +2
    What is wrong with the separation of Church and State? Why should the church influence laws and wield them over seculars?
  • Che Gue... ivegotl... 2012/11/27 13:34:36
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +6
    I have no problem with separating Church and State. I do support the exercise of Religion but think our laws and government should be strictly secular.
  • ivegotl... Che Gue... 2012/11/27 13:51:59
  • hippycat Che Gue... 2012/11/27 14:28:23
    hippycat
    +1
    agreed. clicked on 'yes' accidentally.
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