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Do you think Cesar Millan's, (the National Geographic Channels "Dog Whisperer",) methods of training dogs are outdated and perhaps even cruel?

Tracer Bullet 2009/01/09 18:16:21
No, Cesar's methods are not outdated. He is a dog's best friend!
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Cesar Millan, "The Dog Whisperer" claims to "rehabilitate dogs, and train their owners". He sums up his philosophy thusly; "Exercise, discipline, and affection" in that order. His large following and television show would indicate he is a success.

But, there are those in the dog training community who claim Millan's methods are based on outdated science from the 1950's which overemphasized and completely misinterpreted the role of social hierarchy in wolves. His ideas on "dominance" and "pack theory," are considered today by most mainstream trainers to be virtually irrelevant to training or understand behavior.

In his 2006 article for the New York Times, "Pack of Lies", author Mark Derr states:

"While Mr. Millan rejects hitting and yelling at dogs during training, his confrontational methods include physical and psychological intimidation, like finger jabs, choke collars, extended sessions on a treadmill and what is called flooding, or overwhelming the animal with the thing it fears. Compared with some training devices still in use — whips and cattle prods, for example — these are mild, but combined with a lack of positive reinforcement or rewards, they place Mr. Millan firmly in a long tradition of punitive dog trainers."
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  • pocket squirrel 2009/01/16 22:07:45
    No, Cesar's methods are not outdated. He is a dog's best friend!
    pocket squirrel
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    I think he's great although I do not have a dog. I do love his show and his philosophy goes beyond just dogs. BTW, I loved the South Park episode...

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  • <--That guy 2009/05/15 18:59:04
    No, Cesar's methods are not outdated. He is a dog's best friend!
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    I've never seen him hurt a dog on his show.

    I think he's got a pretty good understanding of canine psychology, and his methods have also been shown to be effective.
  • Tracer ... <--That... 2009/05/16 00:22:03
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    I agree with you on all those points.

    I also have never seen him physically hurt a dog, but as I have said before I think he has gone a little too far with intimidation. Still, he apparently really does understand how dogs think.

    I have used some of his methods with my own dogs. I feel that with what I have learned from watching Cesar's show combined with how well I know my three dogs, I have been able to elicit some very positive improvements in their behavior.
  • <--That... Tracer ... 2009/05/16 00:25:04
    <--That guy
    Good! Glad to hear that it worked.
  • pocket squirrel 2009/01/16 22:07:45
    No, Cesar's methods are not outdated. He is a dog's best friend!
    pocket squirrel
    +2
    I think he's great although I do not have a dog. I do love his show and his philosophy goes beyond just dogs. BTW, I loved the South Park episode...
  • Undead Little Red 2009/01/09 18:43:57
    There are many ways to train a dog. Cesar's methods are no worse, and no bett...
    Undead Little Red
    i've seen that show and thought it a bit extreme myself idk if i'd go as far as crule. Some dogs to require that sort of tough love some not all. But as for my dog and myself, I've been more succesfull using the methods that the chick from "its me or the dog" (i forgot her name) uses. Then again I do have a beagle and their generally greedy in the first place so I could see how Sasha (my dog) would love the trick for a treat method as aposed to all alpha all the time way. Espically since she's the type to only do comands she sees has a perpose (exapmle would be my cousin trying to teach her to play fetch with a frisby. there was no fitting reward that she could see so after an hour she simply got up and returned to me waiting for her leash. lol). Actually now that I think about it none of the dogs I've raised (and we've had pitbull extremly stubborn dogs) needed his style of training to get the job done. I guess it all depeands on the owners prefference tho. If ones not working then try another.
  • Tracer ... Undead ... 2009/01/09 18:55:26
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    That's how I feel. I have three dogs, a male Maltese, female Chihuahua, and a female australian Shepherd mix. Three different personalities, three different ways of dealing with them. Believe it or not, it's my Maltese that responds best to Cesar's methods, though I have never had to use a choke-collar on him. :) He's a smart little guy, and learns quick, but he does want to be the "pack leader", so I have to remind him from time to time that me, Big Daddy, is the true leader of this pack.
  • Undead ... Tracer ... 2009/01/09 19:01:25
    Undead Little Red
    the little dogs always wanna be leader. my beagle knows whos boss she has a big dogs heart shes just stubborn sometimes and always "starving"
  • boddleblonde 2009/01/09 18:34:11
    No, Cesar's methods are not outdated. He is a dog's best friend!
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    I think Caesar rocks! I follow his show weekly and I've yet to see him mistreat an animal. What I wouldn't give for him to come to my home and rehabilitate my two dogs.
  • Tracer ... boddleb... 2009/01/09 18:58:28
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    I've never seen him mistreat a dog either, but a few times as I have watched the program I felt he went a tad too far using psychological dominance over the dog. Still, he does get amazing results, and I understand that the episodes I watched were just segments of the whole session, and perhaps it looked worse than I thought, or was honestly needed because of the nature of the dogs he was working with. I don't think I would have a problem with Cesar working with my dogs. That's the bottom line.
  • SparkleyPie 2009/01/09 18:21:56
    No, Cesar's methods are not outdated. He is a dog's best friend!
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    Dogs aren't humans. I don't like choke collars or pinch collars, though. I plan on getting a treadmill soon. For myself and my dog. I have a friend whose dog loves the treadmill. He goes to it and waits for it to be turned on.
  • Tracer ... Sparkle... 2009/01/09 18:59:43
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    My Chihuahua and Maltese would both take issue with the notion that dogs aren't humans, but I am in complete agreement with you. I just wish I could ACT that way 100% of the time.

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