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Do you know that the muslims koran calls for the death of Christians and all non-believers?

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  • Tetranome 2015/01/25 16:04:33
    Tetranome
    +3
    Those that call for proof are simply too lazy to look for themselves... It is not that hard to find an overwhelming number of violent and hateful directives given by the Koran... Here is just one site that has done a decent job organizing some of the Muslims faiths finer violent points... http://www.thereligionofpeace...

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  • Tetranome 2015/01/25 16:04:33
    Tetranome
    +3
    Those that call for proof are simply too lazy to look for themselves... It is not that hard to find an overwhelming number of violent and hateful directives given by the Koran... Here is just one site that has done a decent job organizing some of the Muslims faiths finer violent points... http://www.thereligionofpeace...
  • DaveDavidson 2013/06/07 21:16:14
    DaveDavidson
    TL;DR that book of intolerance. To be fair, I've never read the religious tract of any major religion...or lesser for that matter.
  • Tordgaard 2013/06/07 12:46:33
    Tordgaard
    Where does the Koran call for the death of Christians and non-believers? The second Surah (verse 62) says all who believe that which is revealed (including Jews, Christians and Sabaeans) will find their reward with their Lord provided they believe in Allah (God), the Last Day (Justice/Judgment) and do good things.
    That actually sounds far more tolerant than the typically Protestant notion that salvation is through Christ alone.
  • Tetranome Tordgaard 2015/01/25 16:05:39
    Tetranome
    +2
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
  • Tordgaard Tetranome 2015/01/26 02:30:03
    Tordgaard
    In the beginning of that Second Surah (verse 62) it defines believers to include the Jews, Christians and Sabaeans. So, the mention of killing nonbelievers refers to the ones you show as Az-Zalimun.
    Now, I'm not advocating the killing of nonbelievers - I'm just pointing out that the term does not refer to "followers of the Book."
  • Zuggi 2013/06/07 04:10:37
    Zuggi
    I noticed you didn't provide any evidence.

    Yes, you're dumb.
  • Tetranome Zuggi 2015/01/25 16:06:05
    Tetranome
    +2
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
  • SeaseaRider 2013/06/06 23:17:21
    SeaseaRider
    yep
  • Kurt 2013/06/06 23:00:26
    Kurt
    +1
    Yup, I knew.
  • SJG 2013/06/06 22:06:14
    SJG
    +2
    No I didn't know and still don't. Show us the money, (proof), or is this just another hate post! And all of you fools who have jumped on his bandwagon, where is your proof?
  • dacsayshi SJG 2013/06/06 22:17:47
    dacsayshi
    +1
    muslim peace is when all non-believers are dead or converted. The only fools are those not paying attention that the entire world is having problems (violent) with the muslims. Go to "barenakedislam" website. Oh, I don't hate, I am very concerned.
  • SJG dacsayshi 2013/06/07 10:50:03
    SJG
    +1
    I looked at that pathetic website, it IS A HATE WEBSITE!!!!!
  • dacsayshi SJG 2015/05/08 05:23:36
    dacsayshi
    No, just truthful. Sometimes the truth hurts.
  • Tetranome SJG 2015/01/25 16:06:22
    Tetranome
    +1
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
  • JohnT 2013/06/06 21:59:06
    JohnT
    I have no idea I have never read their good book. I am not into religions because all of them were orchestrated by mankind and that is the biggest problem.
  • dacsayshi JohnT 2013/06/06 22:06:04
    dacsayshi
    +1
    Well, you had better start before too late. The World is having trouble with muslims. Muslims will not stop until the World is muslim or dead. 60% of the koran is dedicated on how to KILL US.
  • JohnT dacsayshi 2013/06/06 22:13:58
    JohnT
    I beg your pardon! I have about ten years left before I do a dirt nap. I got more things to enjoy than worry about every damn thing that comes along.
    I will enjoy my bucket list and let the rest of those theorists worry about inane things I won't be doing.
  • Philo-Publius 2013/06/06 21:38:14
    Philo-Publius
    +2
    Quite the contrary.

    "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." (Holy Quran 2:62, 5:69 et al.)
  • dacsayshi Philo-P... 2013/06/06 21:43:12
    dacsayshi
    +1
    Taken out of contrast after all the christians, jews, non-believers convert or dead.
  • Tetranome Philo-P... 2015/01/25 16:07:03
    Tetranome
    +2
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

    but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
  • Philo-P... Tetranome 2015/01/25 17:17:43
    Philo-Publius
    I think the context is that aggressors are to be stopped; that Muslims should not lie down when being attacked, but to meet force with force (and nothing more than force with equal return force--an eye for an eye only--Muslims are not to be unnecessarily cruel in victory, these verses say).

    As it was disbelievers who were attacking them, of course the aggressors would be equated with disbelievers. I think therein lies the problem of understanding: Though at one time the two were rightly equated, at other times in history (today, for example) the two are not always synonymous.
  • Dayna_king 2013/06/06 21:31:47
    Dayna_king
    +2
    I thought that was obvious. In many countries that have a Muslim rule there are reports of siblings killing siblings for converting to a non-Muslim sect of religion and then going to police reporting them selves and only getting one day in jail.
  • JMCC 2013/06/06 21:28:04
    JMCC
    +1
    No, it doesn't.

    It calls for the death of "Godless people" - heathens - just as the Torah and the Bible do.
  • dacsayshi JMCC 2013/06/06 21:38:01
    dacsayshi
    +1
    It is written in the koran. Christians and Jews and non-believers
  • JMCC dacsayshi 2013/06/06 21:39:31
    JMCC
    No it isn't. Look above this post by two, and stop reading right wing hate propaganda.
  • dacsayshi JMCC 2013/06/06 21:46:25
    dacsayshi
    +1
    The muslims believe Peace will come when all non-believers are dead or converted.
  • JMCC dacsayshi 2013/06/06 21:54:58
    JMCC
    No, they believe that Peace will come when those who don't believe in God are dead or converted. Why not look up the word "infidel" in a decent dictionary would you?
  • krayzrick JMCC 2013/06/06 22:08:28
    krayzrick
    +1
    in·fi·del
    [in-fi-dl, -del] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    Religion .
    a.
    a person who does not accept a particular faith, especially Christianity.
    b.
    (in Christian use) an unbeliever, especially a Muslim.
    ................................

    c.
    (in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

    ................................
    2.
    a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
    3.
    (loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.
  • JMCC krayzrick 2013/06/06 22:13:49
    JMCC
    +1
    Infidel (literally "one without faith") is a term used in certain religions, especially Christianity or Islam, for one who has no religious beliefs, or who doubts or rejects the central tenets of the particular religion.

    Under Islamic law it is even a punishable offense to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, still there are some contemporary Muslim extremists, who have applied the term to all non-Muslims.
  • dacsayshi JMCC 2013/06/06 22:09:17
    dacsayshi
    +2
    Either the entire world will believe in allah or die. 60% of the koran is telling them how to kill us.
  • dacsayshi JMCC 2013/06/06 22:18:48
    dacsayshi
    +1
    And the only god is to be allah
  • JMCC dacsayshi 2013/06/07 07:54:24
    JMCC
    Not at all.
  • Tetranome JMCC 2015/01/25 16:16:07 (edited)
    Tetranome
    +3
    You can try to rearrange meaning through semantics, however it can not be denied that the growing number involved in the Muslim faith are taking the directives given by this "Holy" book very literally... But even if you were to take what you are saying as correct it is still calling for the murder of millions of people... Is this really something that a peaceful religion would support?
  • dacsayshi JMCC 2013/06/06 22:07:13
    dacsayshi
    +2
    Godless people are those who do not believe in allah.
  • Tetranome JMCC 2015/01/25 16:11:12
    Tetranome
    +3
    Well there is the problem then isn't it??? Are the Christians beheading "Heathens" on the internet to further their religious goals???

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