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Do you believe the Obama administration is waging a "war on coal"?

L.A. Times 2012/11/09 22:48:00
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Citing what he perceives as an Obama administration “war on coal,” an Ohio coal mining executive and prominent Republican donor responded to the results of the presidential election by laying off more than 150 workers.

Robert Murray, chief executive of Murray Energy Co., the largest privately held coal company in America, blamed the layoffs on President Obama -- and, by extension, the voters who elected him -- in a memo to employees.

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  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/11/27 23:43:01
    No
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    obviously the two have no connection
    the question should be what the hell is Murray's real problem
  • Murph 2012/11/21 20:51:08
    Yes
    Murph
    Of course he is. He admitted in public that he intends to tax the coal industry into extinction. He wants to make it too expensive to operate a coal plant, either with confiscatory tax rates or industry crippling regulation or both.
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/11/17 20:58:46
    Yes
    Kiosk Kid
    I think he is waging a war on jobs in generally. America has the largest reserves of coal and oil shale in the world but he won't let us produce it.
  • wtxwoman 2012/11/17 20:31:14
    No
    wtxwoman
    They are building one of the biggest coal fueled power plants in the country outside of Odessa, TX. They say it's going to take several years to build and several hundred workers. I don't think we have the coal to fuel it, so it has to come from somewhere. They should use natural gas to fuel a power plant. We have bunches of it, enough for centuries.
  • Kiosk Kid wtxwoman 2012/11/17 21:05:31 (edited)
    Kiosk Kid
    You said; "I don't think we have the coal to fuel it"

    America has the largest reserves of coal in the world by far. We also have the largest reserves of Oil Shale in the world by far. We also have tar sand oil which again he doesn't let us produce.

    But don't worry, the Bond Market will shut down the Obama Spending machine in the next 3 years. Obama won't be able to buy votes with welfare programs unless he allows production of coal and oil shale.
  • wtxwoman Kiosk Kid 2012/11/17 21:26:57
    wtxwoman
    I didn't make myself clear. I meant TX when I said we, not the whole country.
  • Kiosk Kid wtxwoman 2012/11/17 22:52:49
    Kiosk Kid
    Texas can get coal from the many northern state.
  • wtxwoman Kiosk Kid 2012/11/17 23:20:08
    wtxwoman
    That's why I said it didn't look like a war was being waged on coal because they were building this gigantic new power plant that was going to burn coal and I know we (TX) don't have that kind of coal, if we have any at all.
  • Kiosk Kid wtxwoman 2012/11/18 03:55:07
    Kiosk Kid
    It could be because the coal plant in Texas is going to sequester the CO2. I do know there is a war on coal.

    "The Environmental Protection Agency has revoked the coal mining permit for Arch Coal's Spruce Mine No. 1 in West Virginia's Logan County. The permit was issued four years ago and since then Arch Coal, which provides 16% of America's coal supply, has followed every jot and tittle of the rules it was to operate under.

    After Arch invested $250 million in the mountaintop mining operation, it will be shut down. When fully operational, it would have employed 215 miners directly, with another 300 jobs in support services. These are, pun intended, "shovel-ready" jobs."

    http://news.investors.com/ibd...
  • Feldon ... Kiosk Kid 2012/11/19 01:15:22
    Feldon Starns
    Do you know what coal mining does to the landscape? Are you fond of the skyline of Orange Texas? What is so wrong with green energy? Is not energy...ah...energy? Just wondering.....
  • Kiosk Kid Feldon ... 2012/11/19 01:31:53
    Kiosk Kid
    Do you want jobs or welfare? Coal miners want jobs.

    Welfare is going to get shut down when the bond market refuses to buy Obama debt. Do you think Obama can borrow money endlessly.

    How is Obama going buy votes with welfare program if he can't borrow money from investors? Yes, the Federal reserve can print money but the US dollar is declining as a result.

    Only corporations located overseas are benefiting with huge profits. In the US Liberals are killing jobs.
  • Little Angel 2012/11/17 20:22:36
    No
    Little Angel
    Really??? He will say one thing and do another so why does anyone believe anything he ever says??? The best thing he could do now is to stop the wars with other Countries and use some of that money (that we don't really have) to develop renewable safe alternative Energy Sources and end our dependency on the Oil Industry.
  • Feldon ... Little ... 2012/11/19 01:20:56
    Feldon Starns
    +1
    YES! GAWD YES!!!! Diesel $3.89 here in South Carolina....some might say; then why did you buy a diesel ya tree hugger? To which I would say....when the cost of diesel is up we all pay more for goods and services...Einstein...... Sorry to jump in on your post but it looked like a good spot....and remember friends....Washington is a big club...and you and I don't belong to it......happy holidays......
  • ryanvier 2012/11/17 00:40:05
    Yes
    ryanvier
    There are so many speeches he has made against coal energy. So if he's for coal mining, its news to those miners who lost their jobs after he got re-elected.
  • Diamond Girl 2012/11/15 17:22:31
  • Theresa 2012/11/14 17:05:11
    Yes
    Theresa
    How stupid can these people who say no can be when you heard it out of his own mouth his intentions! The EPA wants to shutter 15,000 coal fired electricity generating plants. That is removing the main customers for their product! How can you not see this is a death blow to the Coal industry!
  • jasmine1 2012/11/14 16:50:08
    Yes
    jasmine1
    I know people with family in the coal business and his ridiculus regulations are literally shutthing them down. He lied during the debate when he said he helped the coal miners, but then again what is new....
  • Cn2012 2012/11/14 16:46:10
    Yes
    Cn2012
    +1
    The facts are that the taxing burden the coal industry has faced are excessive. Layoffs are necessary if production is down. Basic economics.
  • Dj Gill 2012/11/14 16:38:53
    Yes
    Dj Gill
    Everybody who voted no obviously has no connection to anything or anybody having to do with coal, and therefore have no place voting on this subject. The EPA is no longer regulating, they are destroying. I personally know people who have been told by one official to do something a certain way, begin doing it that way, and are fined by the other official a couple of minutes later. For those of you who don't know, they do their inspections in groups. The Obama has said that it wants an "all of the above" policy, however they are eliminating the biggest, safest, and most reliable option in removing fossil fuels (which, by the way, are renewable; it takes a relatively substantial amount of time, but they do renew themselves). Also, Obama stated that he is going to bankrupt coal companies, that alone would qualify what they are doing as a "war on coal". Welcome to the real world, liberals.
  • COMALite J Dj Gill 2012/11/14 17:02:57
    COMALite J
    The Obama has said that it wants an "all of the above" policy, however they are eliminating the biggest, safest, and most reliable option in removing fossil fuels (which, by the way, are renewable; it takes a relatively substantial amount of time, but they do renew themselves). No, they don’t renew themselves . Living things die and are converted by very slow geological processes into hydrocarbon polymers aka fossil fuels. It takes a very long time.

    It took the entire planet’s biosphere hundreds of millions to billions of years, the lives and deaths of quadrillions or more of living things, soaking up solar energy through direct or indirect (eating of plants) photosynthesis and using it to forge molecular bonds in simple molecules to assemble them into complex proteins (hydrocarbons), all to produce the supply of petroleum in the Earth. In the space of a little more than one nominal human lifespan, we’ve used up about ½ of that. The remaining ½ is further down, in more difficult to extract forms such as shale “oil” (not really petroleum but actually kerogen, a very inferior substance somewhere between real oil and tar), “oil” sands (ditto), etc.

    We’re using it up billions of times faster than the Earth is making more.

    Oh, and the line about Obama bankrupting coal companies? Tha...&&


    The Obama has said that it wants an "all of the above" policy, however they are eliminating the biggest, safest, and most reliable option in removing fossil fuels (which, by the way, are renewable; it takes a relatively substantial amount of time, but they do renew themselves).

    No, they don’t renew themselves. Living things die and are converted by very slow geological processes into hydrocarbon polymers aka fossil fuels. It takes a very long time.

    It took the entire planet’s biosphere hundreds of millions to billions of years, the lives and deaths of quadrillions or more of living things, soaking up solar energy through direct or indirect (eating of plants) photosynthesis and using it to forge molecular bonds in simple molecules to assemble them into complex proteins (hydrocarbons), all to produce the supply of petroleum in the Earth. In the space of a little more than one nominal human lifespan, we’ve used up about ½ of that. The remaining ½ is further down, in more difficult to extract forms such as shale “oil” (not really petroleum but actually kerogen, a very inferior substance somewhere between real oil and tar), “oil” sands (ditto), etc.

    We’re using it up billions of times faster than the Earth is making more.

    Oh, and the line about Obama bankrupting coal companies? That was taken out of context. What he actually said was that under the Cap & Trade plan which didn’t pass, if someone wanted to build a new coal-fired electric power plant, they could still legally do so, but the lowering caps on emissions would eventually bankrupt them. He said nothing about the coal mining companies being bankrupted, nor existing coal-fired plants, and furthermore, this was only about what would happen under Cap & Trade which failed to pass the Senate.

    If anything, Obama’s attempt to restrict the fracking method of natural gas extraction (which is environmentally dangerous in its own right) would, had Congress passed it, helped save coal from its recent collapse due to competition from the now much cheaper natural gas!
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  • Theresa COMALite J 2012/11/14 17:09:19
    Theresa
    You sir are woefully uninformed! All oil is created in a liquid combination of chemicals deep inside the earth. The excess of this creation is moved upward to the surface. These oils and tars have been being created and will stay being created there is no such thing as peak oil or any other shortage!
  • COMALite J Theresa 2012/11/15 00:07:01
    COMALite J
    Nice try, but no. I know about “abiotic oil” and it’s balderdash. One quick thought exercise will suffice to disprove it.

    The basic idea is that the oil is formed underneath the Earth’s crust by non-biological means, then gets “spun” towards the surface by the centrifugal force of the Earth’s rotation, right?

    Well, guess what? The strength of centrifugal force is a function not only of the speed of rotation, but also of the distance from the center of rotation! Want proof? Get on a merry-go-round and have someone spin it. If you’re near the center, you won’t feel much centrifugal pull. But if you’re hanging off the edge, you will, even at the same speed of rotation.

    Another experiment that many in my generation performed as kids: get a record player (turntable) and place a 33¹⁄ 3 RPM LP on it. Turn it on and set the speed up to 45RPM (we used to do that a lot to make singers sound like they were on helium, or go all the way to 78RPM to make them sound like chipmunks). Place a tiddly-wink (thin smooth plastic disk we old fogies used to play games with that didn’t require batteries or LCD screens [imagine that!]) on the record near the center. It won’t fly off. Place it closer to the edge, and it will.

    This makes sense, since, all else being equal, and at the same rotational spe...







    Nice try, but no. I know about “abiotic oil” and it’s balderdash. One quick thought exercise will suffice to disprove it.

    The basic idea is that the oil is formed underneath the Earth’s crust by non-biological means, then gets “spun” towards the surface by the centrifugal force of the Earth’s rotation, right?

    Well, guess what? The strength of centrifugal force is a function not only of the speed of rotation, but also of the distance from the center of rotation! Want proof? Get on a merry-go-round and have someone spin it. If you’re near the center, you won’t feel much centrifugal pull. But if you’re hanging off the edge, you will, even at the same speed of rotation.

    Another experiment that many in my generation performed as kids: get a record player (turntable) and place a 33¹⁄3 RPM LP on it. Turn it on and set the speed up to 45RPM (we used to do that a lot to make singers sound like they were on helium, or go all the way to 78RPM to make them sound like chipmunks). Place a tiddly-wink (thin smooth plastic disk we old fogies used to play games with that didn’t require batteries or LCD screens [imagine that!]) on the record near the center. It won’t fly off. Place it closer to the edge, and it will.

    This makes sense, since, all else being equal, and at the same rotational speed in RPMs or whatever, something that is rotating along with a disk or sphere that is closer to center has a lower angular velocity (actual speed of that object actually moving) than something further away from the center but still attached to the rotating object and thus revolving around its center of rotation.

    Now, consider that deep inside the Earth is also closer to the center. Not only that, but polar areas don’t move as fast as the Equator does due to angular velocity and distance from the axis of rotation (the Earth’s axis).

    So, by this hypothesis, most of the oil should be in tropical regions, and none in polar regions. So what the heck is ANWR? Siberian oil? Etc.?

    Never mind that, even at the equator, even on top of the tallest mountain near the equator, getting as far away as it’s possible to get from the Earth’s axis of rotation and still be attached to the Earth, the maximum possible centrifugal force still isn’t enough to come anywhere near overcoming the force of the Earth’s gravity! Things still go down, not up!

    So much for abiotic oil.
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  • Theresa COMALite J 2012/11/15 00:09:52
    Theresa
    No it is lighter than the rocks so it moves upward. it is a matter of density not spin.
  • COMALite J Theresa 2012/11/15 02:51:26
    COMALite J
    If that were true, then all oil would’ve been on the surface long ago.
  • Theresa COMALite J 2012/11/15 03:30:24
    Theresa
    It gets trapped in salt domes so no it only partially surfaces.
  • Theresa COMALite J 2012/11/15 03:31:42
    Theresa
    Also the chemical reaction is constantly happening so there is always more oil to harvest
  • Dj Gill COMALite J 2012/11/15 02:09:25
    Dj Gill
    Like I said, people with no understanding of the subject should not be commenting or voting on it.
  • dan 2012/11/14 14:42:38
    Yes
    dan
    After they voted for Obama they will have a long long long time to look for those mim wage jobs good luck.
  • mrk5panzer 2012/11/14 14:40:45
    Yes
    mrk5panzer
    +1
    And his tool is the EPA, what a bunch of butt munchers.
  • COMALite J mrk5panzer 2012/11/14 17:03:41
    COMALite J
    You do know that a Republican President established the EPA, right? And OSHA, too. Richard Milhous Nixon, to be precise.
  • Theresa COMALite J 2012/11/14 17:11:53
    Theresa
    Yes under pressure from a Democrat congress! I never said Nixon was smart to be coerced this way. The same as what happened to GW Bush acquiescing to the Democrat demands. It never works out well for the Republicans!
  • COMALite J Theresa 2012/11/15 00:59:13
    COMALite J
    Uh, no. Nixon proposed the EPA, and in fact, he bypassed Congress to get it going by Executive Order (Reorganization Plan #3, to be specific, on July 9, 1970). Congressional committees (not the whole Congress) did ratify it afterwards. There was no Act of Congress establishing it.
  • mrk5panzer COMALite J 2012/11/14 18:11:35
    mrk5panzer
    In the beginning, But the Dem's are to blame for the over grown EPA and all its moonbat rules and reg. Which Obama has used to get around Congress with its phony Green Movements and over-reg the oil and coal corps. Millions of jobs will be lost and you will be paying out butt to put gas in your cars and warming your home.
    You folks voted for it and now your going get it, enjoy!
  • COMALite J mrk5panzer 2012/11/15 01:04:29
    COMALite J
    That’s right. Everything that’s good comes from Republicans, and everything that’s bad comes from Democrats. Ever. Without exception.

    This post has been brought to you by Dripping® Sarcasm™.
  • redneck 2012/11/14 13:36:57
    Yes
    redneck
    +2
    osama insane obama is waging war on everthing this country stands for.He is now waging war on our military,he started the war on woman forcing them into a mandate with out choice.He started the war on the Catholics as well forcing into a choice that gose againt all there principals and teachings.obama has started a war on on ccapitalisim he picks and choses who gets taken over by the government and who fails,so far he choices have cost billions and all if not most have failed.obama has started a war on coal,oil,and natural gas,and is forcing America to depend on China for the parts to make solar energey possible in the US.
  • Lt. Fred 2012/11/14 13:24:21
    No
    Lt. Fred
    +1
    Though he should be.
  • Tpem 2012/11/14 08:11:36
    Yes
    Tpem
    +2
    Why wouldn't I believe it when that is what he said. His carbon tax would shut down the coal industry.

  • COMALite J Tpem 2012/11/15 01:02:43
    COMALite J
    All of that is about cap-and-trade, which didn’t pass and so is irrelevant.
  • hippy 2012/11/14 07:55:25
    No
    hippy
    +1
    I wish he WOULD!
  • Theresa hippy 2012/11/14 17:14:21
    Theresa
    Why do you not like the idea that anytime you need electricity it is there for you to use? Guess what under these laws that will not be possible. Tell me again when you are freezing in your homes!
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