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Could the Maps app have slipped out under Steve Jobs?

L.A. Times 2012/11/27 22:00:00
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Apple has fired the manager in charge of its homegrown Maps app two months after the software debuted to harsh criticism. Richard Williamson was let go by Senior Vice President Eddy Cue, according to Bloomberg, which cited unnamed sources familiar with the situation.

Apple has been quick to own up to the app's problems, which include poor directions, mislabeled landmarks, lack of information on public transportation and wildly inaccurate images (melting Las Vegas strip, anyone?).

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  • veronicadis 2012/12/03 19:34:14
    No
    veronicadis
    He was far too meticulous.
  • socokid 2012/12/03 12:06:30
    Yes
    socokid
    I actually like Maps. Did from day 1.

    So...
  • Jesferkicks 2012/12/03 04:39:44
    No
    Jesferkicks
    No, he was a tyrant and ran the Apple ship with an iron fist.
  • thefatguy 2012/12/03 03:48:22 (edited)
    Yes
    thefatguy
    +2
    Possibly, who knows for certain? I have been a loyal Windows user since 3.1 days and every time a new and "improved" version came out I paid the ridiculous price for it, and each time it had more bugs than a trucker's windshield. I bought Windows 7 a year ago on a BRAND-NEW clean machine and within 2 weeks had more lock-ups than a penitentiary. And, I don't care if they finally got their cr@p together on Windows 8. It's too little and about 20 years (and $100's of MY dollars) TOO EFFING LATE!! I will never buy another Windows system again! NEVER! Total and absolute cr@p! Always has been and probably always will be. EFF Bill Gates and his little girl giggle!



    It's true that Steve Jobs stole good ideas from people but he then took a good base concept and made it magnificent! So what?!

    Apple = rock solid perfection
    Windows = pppfffftttt!

    Funny, can anyone show me Apple's "blue screen of death"? Oh, they don't have one because they didn't need one? Yeah, that's what I thought. Bill Gates can eat Frumunda cheese!

  • Jesferk... thefatguy 2012/12/03 04:42:37
    Jesferkicks
    I love to see people rag on the self-made, 2nd richest man in the world like they are better.
  • thefatguy Jesferk... 2012/12/03 08:09:03
    thefatguy
    I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. And, yes I am better.
  • Jesferk... thefatguy 2012/12/03 13:41:16
    Jesferkicks
    I'm sure you are.
  • scblues... thefatguy 2012/12/03 22:17:24
    scbluesman13
    +1
    I know exactly what you mean. I was a desktop client support tech from 1990 to 2005, supporting both Windows and Apple platforms, and my TOC rates for Apple were so much better (total cost of ownership). Out of all of Microsoft's windows platforms, probably XP pro was the most stable, and even that OS had its own flurry of problems with non-standard software installs, security settings, and AD integration.
  • Ark_kun thefatguy 2013/05/22 15:09:04
    Ark_kun
    +1
    You're just another troll. Dumb and ignorant.
    Here are you Apple's blue screens of death. Thousands of them! http://www.google.ru/search?q...
  • William 2012/12/02 22:52:50
    No
    William
    I'm really not sure. But in talking to those who have iPhone v5, it's not that big a deal. Seems the only place the new app has a weakness is sometimes in 3d rendering--IMO not absolutely essential.
  • Bart 2012/12/02 15:08:22
    Yes
    Bart
    Why the hell are people still buying apple products
  • AngelArs Bart 2012/12/04 16:28:09
    AngelArs
    You must be a 12 year old Chinese worker.
  • Bart AngelArs 2012/12/07 16:50:37
    Bart
    What???
  • Shinimegami 2012/12/02 04:37:05
    Yes
    Shinimegami
    Jobs was an egotist who's been severely overrated in death.
  • Bite my shiny metal ass 2012/12/01 12:07:52
    No
    Bite my shiny metal ass
  • J.MaisOui 2012/12/01 07:39:59
    No
    J.MaisOui
    ...he couldnt do everything.
  • RogerCoppock 2012/12/01 03:45:20 (edited)
    Yes
    RogerCoppock
    Apple under Steve Jobs released plenty of duds. For example, they released a speech recognition OS feature several times for the Mac. None of these software packages ever came close to working. To this day, speech recognition is not a standard operating system feature on the Mac.

    Then there is the case of multi-tasking. For a long time Apple resisted true multi-tasking in their Mac OS operating systems. Why? Did Steve Jobs have anything to do with it? Every one has a different story, but no one really knows.

    For some reason the early Macs were intentionally designed with fixed peripheral device address that blocked memory expansion above certain limits. Why? Rumor has it that it was planned obsolesce.
  • AngelArs RogerCo... 2012/12/04 16:31:00
    AngelArs
    Pretty much everything that you said was factually wrong. Congratulations.
  • RogerCo... AngelArs 2012/12/04 21:16:19
    RogerCoppock
    REALLY? I lived most of those.

    Where are your facts?
  • AngelArs RogerCo... 2012/12/06 19:26:52
    AngelArs
    Where are yours?
  • RogerCo... AngelArs 2012/12/06 23:29:32 (edited)
    RogerCoppock
    I gave them.
  • AngelArs RogerCo... 2012/12/14 04:51:24 (edited)
    AngelArs
    Yeah, everything you say is a game.

    Only one that you lose.
  • Adam 2012/12/01 03:26:01
    Yes
    Adam
    +1
    You really think Steve beta tested all the apps for every bug, and not just stand there in his sweater and act excited for the media? Come on, the quality of Apple products depends on a lot of things, but the individual actions of 1 man is not one of them. Especially one man so busy cultivating a cult of personality.
  • lee 2012/11/30 22:04:12
    No
    lee
    +2
    he was a perfectionist... he would have fired the guy who let that happen.
  • DanC 2012/11/30 17:00:41 (edited)
    Yes
    DanC
    +1
    Yes, Apple has never been a technical company, they can't do anything properly on their own! They're just a (highly deceitful and nasty) marketing company for the gullible and the uninformed!

    - they took the graphical interface from xerox

    - they took took a lot of pieces of software from free sources like free bsd, various gnu tools, the khtm/kjs from kde and turned them into webkit an many, many others (siri is also a derived work from a free source)

    - the processors in their macs are made by intel, only slightly cosmetically modified and apple claims that it;s somthing custom

    - the same holds true for the arm processor which is entirely designed by arm (apple just orders some cosmitic tweaks so that they can falsely claim it was designed by them)

    - the design of a lot of products is stolen from braun (which apparently wasn't inspired enought to patent their designs)


    - capacitive touchscreens (including multitouch) existed long before apple made the iphone

    - the first phone to have had a capacitive touchscreen was lg prada, which apple copied (no, they didn't design the iphone before the lg was designed)

    - steve jobs: good artists copy, great artists steal!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    and so on and so on...
    Yes, Apple has never been a technical company, they can't do anything properly on their own! They're just a (highly deceitful and nasty) marketing company for the gullible and the uninformed!

    - they took the graphical interface from xerox

    - they took took a lot of pieces of software from free sources like free bsd, various gnu tools, the khtm/kjs from kde and turned them into webkit an many, many others (siri is also a derived work from a free source)

    - the processors in their macs are made by intel, only slightly cosmetically modified and apple claims that it;s somthing custom

    - the same holds true for the arm processor which is entirely designed by arm (apple just orders some cosmitic tweaks so that they can falsely claim it was designed by them)

    - the design of a lot of products is stolen from braun (which apparently wasn't inspired enought to patent their designs)

    claim designed design products stolen braun inspired enought patent designs
    - capacitive touchscreens (including multitouch) existed long before apple made the iphone

    - the first phone to have had a capacitive touchscreen was lg prada, which apple copied (no, they didn't design the iphone before the lg was designed)

    - steve jobs: good artists copy, great artists steal!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    and so on and so on...
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  • Erickzl 2012/11/30 15:52:17
    Yes
    Erickzl
    +1
    I enjoy my Apple products a lot but I really don't like the way Apple conducts itself.
  • Fenabarb 2012/11/30 10:53:52
    Yes
    Fenabarb
    Looks like there's a bad apple in the bunch
  • Avi Rosen 2012/11/30 08:40:49
    No
    Avi Rosen
    +1
    He was ahead of his time... Not that I am such an apple fan. But he was a visionary man.
  • redhorse29 2012/11/30 06:17:53
    No
    redhorse29
    +3
    Steve was an habitual micro-manager and enjoyed personally using all new products before released for final public sale.
  • dvd 2012/11/30 03:24:53
  • Joey 2012/11/30 02:57:25
    Yes
    Joey
    +1
    HE would just have known how to spin it to make people think they needed a messed up system .
  • kenwemt 2012/11/30 02:32:58
    Yes
    kenwemt
    +2
    Jobs was just a man.... Yes, you Apple people, I said it. Jobs just a man.
  • COMALite J kenwemt 2012/11/30 05:38:02
    COMALite J
    +1
    Yes, he was, but a pretty special man. Do you know why Apple succeeded with the iPod and iTunes and its Music Store, which set in motion its subsequent successes with the iPhone and iPad?

    Because Jobs was also CEO of Pixar. He alone was CEO of both a technology company and and entertainment company. He alone could see how best to bring entertainment to the digital realm without violating intellectual property rights nor repelling potential customers.

    Ironically, he would never have become CEO of Pixar had Apple not kicked him out and put that lame-brain Scully in his place, which very nearly did Apple in (Microsoft had to bail them out, otherwise Windows would’ve become a de-facto monopoly which would’ve brought anti-trust action down on Bill Gates’s head!). Much of Mac OS X also comes from the NeXTstep OS which Jobs had developed for the NeXT computer which he founded and ran after being kicked out of Apple. So, Apple’s current success is largely due to what nearly killed them: kicking Jobs out!

    That said, the dominance of Windows is at least partly because they kicked Jobs out and put Scully in his place. In those days, when both the Mac and Windows were still relatively new, there wasn’t a lot of off-the-shelf software for business. People often needed custom programs develope...



















    Yes, he was, but a pretty special man. Do you know why Apple succeeded with the iPod and iTunes and its Music Store, which set in motion its subsequent successes with the iPhone and iPad?

    Because Jobs was also CEO of Pixar. He alone was CEO of both a technology company and and entertainment company. He alone could see how best to bring entertainment to the digital realm without violating intellectual property rights nor repelling potential customers.

    Ironically, he would never have become CEO of Pixar had Apple not kicked him out and put that lame-brain Scully in his place, which very nearly did Apple in (Microsoft had to bail them out, otherwise Windows would’ve become a de-facto monopoly which would’ve brought anti-trust action down on Bill Gates’s head!). Much of Mac OS X also comes from the NeXTstep OS which Jobs had developed for the NeXT computer which he founded and ran after being kicked out of Apple. So, Apple’s current success is largely due to what nearly killed them: kicking Jobs out!

    That said, the dominance of Windows is at least partly because they kicked Jobs out and put Scully in his place. In those days, when both the Mac and Windows were still relatively new, there wasn’t a lot of off-the-shelf software for business. People often needed custom programs developed. With older computers, you could use the BASIC programming language built into the ROM, but neither PCs (except IBM PC and PCjr) nor Macs had BASIC nor any other high-level language built in. MS-DOS came with GWBASIC at the time, and Windows had Visual BASIC available for purchase. The Mac had nothing to compete with.

    So, some geniuses at Apple developed MacBASIC, the most powerful and friendly version of BASIC, both the language itself and the development environment, ever to exist up to that point and for well over a decade thereafter (Microsoft wouldn’t begin to touch it until VB.NET at least). They spent quite a bit on that, and had the product ready to ship: thousands of boxes with discs of the software and manuals printed up, even some third-party books on MacBASIC already selling in bookstores!

    Bill Gates saw that this would remove Windows’s key advantage of the time, an easy way to do custom programming. Visual BASIC was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as MacBASIC.

    But Bill had some leverage he could wield, though it was against the law to do so. He did it anyway. Apple was still selling the Apple // line (//ee and //c+, and I believe the IIgs had just come out or soon would). As I said, older computers had BASIC built-in, in ROM, and the Apple // line was no exception.

    A bit of history: the original Apple ][ had its own Integer BASIC in ROM, written by Steve Wozniak. It was very, very fast for running on a 1MHz 8-bit CPU, and only needed 4kB for the entire ROM, which included not only Integer BASIC itself but also the Apple machine language monitor (a command line that allowed for machine-level hacking, also needed to boot the machine into BASIC or [later] boot a floppy disk) and a 16-bit CPU emulator called “Sweet 16.” Integer BASIC had statements to do the Apple ][’s 16-color blocky low-res graphics, but not the four-color high-res graphics.

    But many people wanted to do floating-point math and have high-res graphics in BASIC, so Apple did what other personal computer companies at the time (Radio Shack with its TRS-80 line, for instance) did, and contracted Microsoft to make a version of their floating-point BASIC interpreter in ROM. The standard Microsoft BASIC usually took up 8kB of ROM, but the version they did for Apple, to accommodate the new “AutoStart monitor” that booted directly into BASIC instead of the machine language monitor mode and also the additional statements needed for high-res graphics, needed 12kB of ROM. It was way slower than Integer BASIC. The version of the Apple that had this 12kB ROM set with Microsoft’s “Applesoft BASIC” (and a nifty hack by Roz to get two additional colors in the high-res graphics mode) was called the Apple ][+.

    All subsequent versions of Apple // computers (//e, //ee, //c, //c+, and IIgs, as well as the short-lived Apple /// and ///+ in Apple ][+ emulation mode) had Applesoft BASIC in ROM, which Microsoft had licensed to them.

    Well, when MacBASIC was about to ship, the license to Applesoft was due to expire. Microsoft had always renewed the license before, but this time Gates illegally told Apple that they would not renew the Applesoft license unless they killed MacBASIC. Microsoft made a woefully inferior “Microsoft BASIC for Macintosh” that wasn’t even on a level with Visual BASIC, let alone MacBASIC, and which cost $100 more than Apple was planning to sell MacBASIC for. Bill knew that his Microsoft BASIC for the Mac would get clobbered in the market, and rightly so.

    Anyway, instead of threatening legal action for this antitrust-violating action, John Scully (the CEO at the time) folded like a tent, and stopped MacBASIC from being sold, on the verge of its release. Without Applesoft, Apple could no longer make or sell any computer in the Apple // line, which was still popular in education, with many educational programs absolutely requiring Applesoft BASIC.

    The head programmer of MacBASIC pretty much attempted suicide shortly thereafter.

    With no good BASIC on the Mac (Microsoft BASIC for Mac was horrible), Windows retained their edge in custom software programmability, which went a long way towards cementing the dominance of the Windows OS on the desktop at that critical time.
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  • DesFrSpace 2012/11/30 02:28:36 (edited)
    Yes
    DesFrSpace
    Of Course Apple can do it, they apparently have the innovation to work the long run. :D
    Well, Apple-vs-Microsoft.
  • modurhead 2012/11/29 21:56:48
    Yes
    modurhead
    steve jobs would run it right into the ground
  • Jeffrey C 2012/11/29 20:46:59
    Yes
    Jeffrey C
    +1
    Of course it could, Jobs never did anything but market and direct since the very founding of Apple. Others have done all the creative work and he took the credit.
  • Wyveryx 2012/11/29 20:30:44
    Yes
    Wyveryx
    +1
    Apple is so far behind it's not even funny...
    With Google maps offering better directions and more precise maps, aside from the legitimate screw ups of which of there a few, why even try to compete?
    Start small and make sure the damn thing works first before you try and take the gold medal.
  • AngelArs Wyveryx 2012/12/04 16:37:14
    AngelArs
    Google was trying to rip off Apple and its customers. This has already been well established. Apple had no choice but to stop doing business with them. A mapping app is the most difficult app to design. Of course the first version will suck. Google maps sucked its first version too.
  • Wyveryx AngelArs 2012/12/05 07:11:08
    Wyveryx
    First version will suck? I think that the Apple Maps was way beyond sucky and was touted to be a great resource and tool.
    As far as ripping off.... one word.... XEROX.
  • Kirino 2012/11/29 19:42:13

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