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Comic boundaries and women (the holy war against Letterman)

Comedy is a very valuable reflective and introspective tool in our society. Comics can make us laugh at ourselves or, at least, not take ourselves so seriously. Comics can put the world in perspective when we get too caught up in political combat to "see the forest for the trees." And they can speak truth to power as only a court jester can and has for centuries.

Comedy is an art, not a legal court proceeding or a news item. I honestly believe this cause célèbre is more of a distraction than a real issue. We are confusing the biased and deliberately inaccurate reporting by the MSM with comedy, which is an art. And, like all arts, art is in the "eye of the beholder."

The right to free speech can only be measured by how a society treats the speech with which it does not agree or approve. Should there be reasonable limitations? Of course! And there are -- in factual media: they are libel and slander law. But in comedy, where it is clear the comments are not meant to be factual, but rather entertaining, libel and slander do not apply, or, at least, the bar is significantly lower. And this, for the most part, is a good thing. Comedians like Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and programs like Saturday Night Live may often blur the line between information and entertainment, as Katie Couric called it on her first broadcast, "infotainment," but there main function is the entertain. If they can inform in the process, so much the better.

Was Letterman making a "bad" joke? Maybe. Was it in poor taste? Possibly, but he did not cross the line or even lower the bar -- all these kinds of jokes had been made before about other teenager girls (Paris Hilton, Nicole Richey, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Courtney Spears, Chelsea Clinton, Amy Carter, the Nixon girls, the Johnson girls and the Bush twins) in the public forum -- even as underage teenagers. His intended "victim" was the "of age," formerly married Bristol Palin (who he confused with her younger, underage sister Willow).

Sarah Palin, like all politicians, knew when she entered the political arena that she and her family would be "fair game" for the media, both journalistic and entertainment. She knew that any mistake her kids made would be subject to public scrutiny.

She also knew that, when Bristol got pregnant out-of-wedlock and underage, that, given her political beliefs and her public evangelical Christian-based positions, that both she, her family and, especially, Bristol, would be the fodder for many jokes, and, frankly, reasonably so.

When Bristol decided to make "abstinence" ads targeted to prevent teen pregnancy, certainly Sarah should have known and informed her daughter if she didn't know, that Bristol would be putting herself in the public forum and inviting public scrutiny and public humiliation.

So the false outrage shown by Sarah and her family mischaracterizing what Letterman said was not only a bit hysterical, it was more than a bit hypocritical.

II honestly believe this is "much ado about nothing," or, at least, almost nothing. Certainly, it is not a measured and rational response. Further, it distracts from the real issues facing women.

If women want equality with men in all areas, including politics, they must be willing to accept the good with the bad. Men in politics have been the brunt of jokes and personal attacks from the MSM for centuries now, as evidenced by every president, especially Bill Clinton and GWB.

We wanted equality, now we have it. Suck it up and focus on the real issues that can advance the causes of women.
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  • +11 raves ☼ Homeward Bound ☼ June 15, 2009 19:21:47
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼
    It's the political double standard that people are against. If these words would have been said about Sasha or Malia.....I doubt you would be posting this.
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  • +1 raves
    rightside June 20, 2009 00:47:44
    rightside
    It took letterman 2 weeks to give that "good" apology.
    I'm sorry, I don't take it to be true.
    I'm not hanging on to this. I made up my mind a while ago to not watch this man and let my friends know.
    I don't like him and that's it.
  • +2 raves
    crimsonbutterfly June 17, 2009 19:01:01
    crimsonbutterfly
    I agree. If we always took everything so seriously we would drive ourselves mad. Some people, though, have no sense of humor.
  • +1 raves
    myssabz June 17, 2009 00:36:56
    myssabz
    What Letterman said was wrong, plain and simple, and he should be fired.
  • +2 raves
    Laura Schneider June 16, 2009 13:41:30
    Laura Schneider
    UPDATE:

    Letterman gave a full and complete apology last night that should meet the standards of even the most thin-skinned woman.

    Now, let's focus on something really important to women, like, say, healthcare.
  • Murph Laura S... June 20, 2009 18:33:30
    Murph
    President Obama's healthcare reforms are going to be just as disastrous for women as they are for men. Say goodbye to any kind of choice for anything except the slaughter of babies in the womb. People in western culture countries, such as Canada and Great Britain, with access to advanced technology, die from treatable medical conditions because of waiting lists caused by the government bureaucracy of nationalized healthcare. This is what America has to look forward to under the Obama administration.
  • +1 raves
    back at cha June 16, 2009 05:59:39
    back at cha
    Maybe we need to send hollywood a message.
  • +1 raves
    back at cha June 16, 2009 05:57:18
    back at cha
    I don't need garbage from hollywood that's why I don't and won't own a TV
  • GOD June 16, 2009 05:55:13 (edited)
    GOD
    its like putting perfume on a pig remember that little joke and just like last time repukes are jumping to conclusions and they are going to shoot themselves in the foot I think its funny that Dave tells a joke and they get pissed but when republican'ts really try to have sex with a kid they scream he's being railroaded

    foot funny dave joke pissed republicants sex kid scream railroaded
  • Pug For Huck June 16, 2009 02:33:00 (edited)
    Pug For Huck
    Another liberal woman who just gets confused. So you go into public life and you and your entire family, your children, are targets.

    Shouldn't the protection of your children be a cause of women? Maybe you should suck it up and realize there needs to be boundaries. You obviously don't have any. I hope you enjoy the results.

    Edit; Aaahhhh....civil libertarian. I should have known. It's all clear now.
  • +1 raves
    GreatLakes June 16, 2009 02:11:13
    GreatLakes
    He should be fired.
  • +2 raves
    Cookinfool June 16, 2009 01:43:27 (edited)
    Cookinfool
    Sorry folks but when "comics" can get away with joking about a baseball player "knocking" up a 14 or 18 year old and referring to palins dress as sluttish stewardess is nothing more than bullying period. Our MSM gets away with it too and it is just plain wrong. They are doing nothing more than demonizing people and also desensitizing us to the fact until we all think like them and think it is funny. Sad state of affairs, what happened to real humor and not attacking people.

    Any my edit is 'it could happen to U'

    gossip very bad, tongue strongest muscle in the human body.... said before because it isn’t original
  • medwreck June 15, 2009 22:43:11
    medwreck
    I dont think there is much to this. first, the joke was misapplied to the younger daughter. Maybe the writer's fault, maybe Dave's foggy glasses (cause he's drooling over Palin...JK). I think this is more a case of people doing content analysis with a search term "Sarah Palin" and then showing outrage. I think Hollywood idiots get the same treatment. And do you think most self-respecting females want Cameron Diaz as their go-to on women's reproductive rights...hell no.

    While everyone wants to paint this as disproportionate reactions on one side, HRC got a flubbing on her gender and her crying and her pantsuits from both (even by Chris Matthews at that liberal paragon MSNBC).

    As the writer stated, free speech is a two-way street, you don't like it, you speak more cleverly and/or louder--problem solved.
  • +1 raves
    betz June 15, 2009 22:20:16
    betz
    Attention!!!! Even the National Organization for Women came out against this man's so called jokes. Wake up and smell the coffee. In a sense he was taking a jab at you as a female. This man is slime and deserves punishment.
  • Laura Schneider June 15, 2009 22:12:36 (edited)
    Laura Schneider
    Well, you conservative folks love to play victim, don't you? Guess what? I didn't vote for Obama. And I have railed against the treatment of Palin and Hillary and Ferraro (the only women who have been on a national ticket) for years, as well as candidate's wives, who have taken many beatings as well. But my concern, for the most part, was how the MSM reported on female candidates with obvious biased treatment both in terms of accuracy and ompleteness, misleading the public as to what these candidates really said, did or supported.

    "Who the victim is" is not the issue. Nor is which side of the aisle they might sit on. The issues are: (a) whether or not we are going to approach this problem rationally or not and (b) whether or not we really want to sacrifice our right to freedom of speech at the altar of political correctness (PC). If we don't, then we must be willing to defend free speech even for those messengers we don't like and the messages we don't like. It is a very slippery slope that descends into GroupThink and NewSpeak and suppression of the truth and oppression of citizens.

    All politicians, male and female, are subject to public scrutiny at all times and public ridicule when they make mistakes. In my lifetime (and I am almost 56), children in political families h...





    Well, you conservative folks love to play victim, don't you? Guess what? I didn't vote for Obama. And I have railed against the treatment of Palin and Hillary and Ferraro (the only women who have been on a national ticket) for years, as well as candidate's wives, who have taken many beatings as well. But my concern, for the most part, was how the MSM reported on female candidates with obvious biased treatment both in terms of accuracy and ompleteness, misleading the public as to what these candidates really said, did or supported.

    "Who the victim is" is not the issue. Nor is which side of the aisle they might sit on. The issues are: (a) whether or not we are going to approach this problem rationally or not and (b) whether or not we really want to sacrifice our right to freedom of speech at the altar of political correctness (PC). If we don't, then we must be willing to defend free speech even for those messengers we don't like and the messages we don't like. It is a very slippery slope that descends into GroupThink and NewSpeak and suppression of the truth and oppression of citizens.

    All politicians, male and female, are subject to public scrutiny at all times and public ridicule when they make mistakes. In my lifetime (and I am almost 56), children in political families have been trotted out in front of the public to demonstrate what family men candidates were. Their wives and their children, in many cases, make political speeches on their behalf, attend fundraisers, make public service announcements (PSAs), go on talk shows from The View and Oprah during the day to late night Conan, Letterman and (formerly) Leno. Now that women are participating as candidates more often, I'm sure we can expect no less for them.

    Along with this positive attention that benefits the candidate and, perhaps, even the politician's kid, comes benefits like great seats at ball games and other public functions, entre into high society, special consideration (admitted or not) for colleges and jobs, etc. The down side is that the more they appear in public, the more vulnerable they are to experience personal attacks and close public scrutiny. It's the double-edged sword.

    Evangelical Christians have learned how to successfully wage holy war with wedge issues like abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage and, now (amusingly enough given their history of opposition to ERA) respect for women in the public forum. It has had addictive quality to it for some -- stimulation junkies that get off on outrage. But it does not serve their argument well in the long run, because when facing a lack of causes to celebrate, blowhards who are in love with the sound of their voice like Rush Limbaugh will feign outrage just to get attention and keep the troops "whipped up" into a frenzy.

    Playing the poor persecuted conservative doesn't get you far with me. You guys have controlled the political scene since 1980, for the most part, and have messed up royally in the last eight years. I frankly don't expect Obama to do any better, but you will have to show some credibility on women's issues if you want my attention.
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  • +2 raves
    ☼ Homew... Laura S... June 15, 2009 23:55:41
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼
    Again......

    It's the political double standard that people are against. If these words would have been said about Sasha or Malia.....I doubt you would be posting this.
  • +2 raves
    Extremist Soldier of Christ June 15, 2009 21:37:21 (edited)
    Extremist Soldier of Christ
    I don't even know how I got this email- to be honest- because what I see is a difference of opinion on my end. I suggest I express myself without having you liberal s downrave me- I am known to send out troops to downrave people that just do it out of meanness. What if I did this picture and made a comparison? Does that offend people? Especially the African Americans? Or is this picture okey to make a joke? Children should be left alone! Period! They are innocent and if this comparison of one child of Obama's family is offensive to you- then I guess the part of Sarah Palin's children being bang up by a baseball star is also as much offensive to some of us. Do me a favor block me- because the writer of this has nothing in common with me. I stated palins children bang baseball star offensive favor block writer common palins children bang baseball star offensive favor block writer common my peace.
  • +5 raves
    Jerry Dawe June 15, 2009 20:34:11
    Jerry Dawe
    I think the freedom of speech issue should rest on equal treatment of the different butts of the jokes. It seems only the anointed left is exempt from the cited "comedians" on late night, etc.
  • +7 raves
    Art June 15, 2009 20:16:22
    Art
    Funny how liberal women rush to assume victim's status but the real vile, hate-filled misogyny is directed toward conservative women.
  • +2 raves
    betz Art June 15, 2009 22:18:19
    betz
  • +11 raves
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼ June 15, 2009 19:21:47
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼
    It's the political double standard that people are against. If these words would have been said about Sasha or Malia.....I doubt you would be posting this.

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