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Comic boundaries and women (the holy war against Letterman)
- June 15, 2009 18:38:23
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Comedy is a very valuable reflective and introspective tool in our society. Comics can make us laugh at ourselves or, at least, not take ourselves so seriously. Comics can put the world in perspective when we get too caught up in political combat to "see the forest for the trees." And they can speak truth to power as only a court jester can and has for centuries.
Comedy is an art, not a legal court proceeding or a news item. I honestly believe this cause célèbre is more of a distraction than a real issue. We are confusing the biased and deliberately inaccurate reporting by the MSM with comedy, which is an art. And, like all arts, art is in the "eye of the beholder."
The right to free speech can only be measured by how a society treats the speech with which it does not agree or approve. Should there be reasonable limitations? Of course! And there are -- in factual media: they are libel and slander law. But in comedy, where it is clear the comments are not meant to be factual, but rather entertaining, libel and slander do not apply, or, at least, the bar is significantly lower. And this, for the most part, is a good thing. Comedians like Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and programs like Saturday Night Live may often blur the line between information and entertainment, as Katie Couric called it on her first broadcast, "infotainment," but there main function is the entertain. If they can inform in the process, so much the better.
Was Letterman making a "bad" joke? Maybe. Was it in poor taste? Possibly, but he did not cross the line or even lower the bar -- all these kinds of jokes had been made before about other teenager girls (Paris Hilton, Nicole Richey, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Courtney Spears, Chelsea Clinton, Amy Carter, the Nixon girls, the Johnson girls and the Bush twins) in the public forum -- even as underage teenagers. His intended "victim" was the "of age," formerly married Bristol Palin (who he confused with her younger, underage sister Willow).
Sarah Palin, like all politicians, knew when she entered the political arena that she and her family would be "fair game" for the media, both journalistic and entertainment. She knew that any mistake her kids made would be subject to public scrutiny.
She also knew that, when Bristol got pregnant out-of-wedlock and underage, that, given her political beliefs and her public evangelical Christian-based positions, that both she, her family and, especially, Bristol, would be the fodder for many jokes, and, frankly, reasonably so.
When Bristol decided to make "abstinence" ads targeted to prevent teen pregnancy, certainly Sarah should have known and informed her daughter if she didn't know, that Bristol would be putting herself in the public forum and inviting public scrutiny and public humiliation.
So the false outrage shown by Sarah and her family mischaracterizing what Letterman said was not only a bit hysterical, it was more than a bit hypocritical.
II honestly believe this is "much ado about nothing," or, at least, almost nothing. Certainly, it is not a measured and rational response. Further, it distracts from the real issues facing women.
If women want equality with men in all areas, including politics, they must be willing to accept the good with the bad. Men in politics have been the brunt of jokes and personal attacks from the MSM for centuries now, as evidenced by every president, especially Bill Clinton and GWB.
We wanted equality, now we have it. Suck it up and focus on the real issues that can advance the causes of women.
Comedy is an art, not a legal court proceeding or a news item. I honestly believe this cause célèbre is more of a distraction than a real issue. We are confusing the biased and deliberately inaccurate reporting by the MSM with comedy, which is an art. And, like all arts, art is in the "eye of the beholder."
The right to free speech can only be measured by how a society treats the speech with which it does not agree or approve. Should there be reasonable limitations? Of course! And there are -- in factual media: they are libel and slander law. But in comedy, where it is clear the comments are not meant to be factual, but rather entertaining, libel and slander do not apply, or, at least, the bar is significantly lower. And this, for the most part, is a good thing. Comedians like Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and programs like Saturday Night Live may often blur the line between information and entertainment, as Katie Couric called it on her first broadcast, "infotainment," but there main function is the entertain. If they can inform in the process, so much the better.
Was Letterman making a "bad" joke? Maybe. Was it in poor taste? Possibly, but he did not cross the line or even lower the bar -- all these kinds of jokes had been made before about other teenager girls (Paris Hilton, Nicole Richey, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Courtney Spears, Chelsea Clinton, Amy Carter, the Nixon girls, the Johnson girls and the Bush twins) in the public forum -- even as underage teenagers. His intended "victim" was the "of age," formerly married Bristol Palin (who he confused with her younger, underage sister Willow).
Sarah Palin, like all politicians, knew when she entered the political arena that she and her family would be "fair game" for the media, both journalistic and entertainment. She knew that any mistake her kids made would be subject to public scrutiny.
She also knew that, when Bristol got pregnant out-of-wedlock and underage, that, given her political beliefs and her public evangelical Christian-based positions, that both she, her family and, especially, Bristol, would be the fodder for many jokes, and, frankly, reasonably so.
When Bristol decided to make "abstinence" ads targeted to prevent teen pregnancy, certainly Sarah should have known and informed her daughter if she didn't know, that Bristol would be putting herself in the public forum and inviting public scrutiny and public humiliation.
So the false outrage shown by Sarah and her family mischaracterizing what Letterman said was not only a bit hysterical, it was more than a bit hypocritical.
II honestly believe this is "much ado about nothing," or, at least, almost nothing. Certainly, it is not a measured and rational response. Further, it distracts from the real issues facing women.
If women want equality with men in all areas, including politics, they must be willing to accept the good with the bad. Men in politics have been the brunt of jokes and personal attacks from the MSM for centuries now, as evidenced by every president, especially Bill Clinton and GWB.
We wanted equality, now we have it. Suck it up and focus on the real issues that can advance the causes of women.
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It's the political double standard that people are against. If these words would have been said about Sasha or Malia.....I doubt you would be posting this.View thread
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I'm sorry, I don't take it to be true.
I'm not hanging on to this. I made up my mind a while ago to not watch this man and let my friends know.
I don't like him and that's it.
Letterman gave a full and complete apology last night that should meet the standards of even the most thin-skinned woman.
Now, let's focus on something really important to women, like, say, healthcare.
Shouldn't the protection of your children be a cause of women? Maybe you should suck it up and realize there needs to be boundaries. You obviously don't have any. I hope you enjoy the results.
Edit; Aaahhhh....civil libertarian. I should have known. It's all clear now.
Any my edit is 'it could happen to U'
gossip very bad, tongue strongest muscle in the human body.... said before because it isn’t original
While everyone wants to paint this as disproportionate reactions on one side, HRC got a flubbing on her gender and her crying and her pantsuits from both (even by Chris Matthews at that liberal paragon MSNBC).
As the writer stated, free speech is a two-way street, you don't like it, you speak more cleverly and/or louder--problem solved.
"Who the victim is" is not the issue. Nor is which side of the aisle they might sit on. The issues are: (a) whether or not we are going to approach this problem rationally or not and (b) whether or not we really want to sacrifice our right to freedom of speech at the altar of political correctness (PC). If we don't, then we must be willing to defend free speech even for those messengers we don't like and the messages we don't like. It is a very slippery slope that descends into GroupThink and NewSpeak and suppression of the truth and oppression of citizens.
All politicians, male and female, are subject to public scrutiny at all times and public ridicule when they make mistakes. In my lifetime (and I am almost 56), children in political families h...
"Who the victim is" is not the issue. Nor is which side of the aisle they might sit on. The issues are: (a) whether or not we are going to approach this problem rationally or not and (b) whether or not we really want to sacrifice our right to freedom of speech at the altar of political correctness (PC). If we don't, then we must be willing to defend free speech even for those messengers we don't like and the messages we don't like. It is a very slippery slope that descends into GroupThink and NewSpeak and suppression of the truth and oppression of citizens.
All politicians, male and female, are subject to public scrutiny at all times and public ridicule when they make mistakes. In my lifetime (and I am almost 56), children in political families have been trotted out in front of the public to demonstrate what family men candidates were. Their wives and their children, in many cases, make political speeches on their behalf, attend fundraisers, make public service announcements (PSAs), go on talk shows from The View and Oprah during the day to late night Conan, Letterman and (formerly) Leno. Now that women are participating as candidates more often, I'm sure we can expect no less for them.
Along with this positive attention that benefits the candidate and, perhaps, even the politician's kid, comes benefits like great seats at ball games and other public functions, entre into high society, special consideration (admitted or not) for colleges and jobs, etc. The down side is that the more they appear in public, the more vulnerable they are to experience personal attacks and close public scrutiny. It's the double-edged sword.
Evangelical Christians have learned how to successfully wage holy war with wedge issues like abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage and, now (amusingly enough given their history of opposition to ERA) respect for women in the public forum. It has had addictive quality to it for some -- stimulation junkies that get off on outrage. But it does not serve their argument well in the long run, because when facing a lack of causes to celebrate, blowhards who are in love with the sound of their voice like Rush Limbaugh will feign outrage just to get attention and keep the troops "whipped up" into a frenzy.
Playing the poor persecuted conservative doesn't get you far with me. You guys have controlled the political scene since 1980, for the most part, and have messed up royally in the last eight years. I frankly don't expect Obama to do any better, but you will have to show some credibility on women's issues if you want my attention.
It's the political double standard that people are against. If these words would have been said about Sasha or Malia.....I doubt you would be posting this.