men have a right to voice their opinions, this applying especially to the fathers of the children, but it is ultimately the woman's decision whether or not to get an abortion.

women who say men should not even have an opinion on the subject are indeed being sexist and ignorant. if they should demand a man's support then they should also accept and support his opinions. every human being has the right to have an opinion on the treatment of other human life.

Sure they are.

If abortion is a morally neutral life choice, then yes it does matter to some degree whether people with opinions on the matter can actually understand what the woman is going through.

If there is a moral issue with terminating innocent life (and I think there is), then it doesn't matter - anyone with sound ethical reasoning can have a legitimate opinion, man or woman.

As a side note, women seem to get the short end of the stick either way. If she has the baby, generally the burden falls almost completely on her; if she aborts the baby, the emotional and physical consequences fall completely on her. So in that sense, if a man is pro-life, he really ought to be the type of guy who also says men should actively help out with the new little life; otherwise, he's a hypocrite.

That's the most thought-out and sensical response I've yet to see.

I really hope all pro-life men (and women) will follow that example.

Why thank you!

Absolutely it's sexist.
It's also true.

yes, i'm sexist.

Oh, ok.

abortion if for a woman and her docter to talk about if the woman wants the man to get involved then so be it but if not the man should stay out of it

What I do with my body is my business. Now the father can hoot and yell, even break down and cry if he likes. But lets be clear here. I'm the one not him that will have to carry the baby for 9 months and go through labor. I was in labor 39 hours with my little girl. I don't expect any of you to have any idea what that's like, nor do I need you to feel sorry for me.



But that being said the first man that's done it can have his 5 minutes on the soup box...



Otherwise pay child support, sit down and shut up and please move out of my way!

your response leads me to believe you have little or no respect for men. if you enter into a realtionship, even a purely sexual no strings attatched relationship, you must take equal responsibility for what happens. (rape not included). to expect a man to support you and then to deny him his right to at least voice his opinions is sexist and disrespectful.

it takes two to tango---- if she would have kept her knees together!!!!

or man would have kept his pecker in his pants. it's a two way street, bubba.

Abortion is between a woman and her doctor.

What a shame that it's not also between the infant that's soon to be slaughtered.

Not everyone can or choose to live in your universe. If you want to eliminate or reduce abortion then spend some time teaching a sex ed class where you do more than just say that sex is bad and should wait until after the wedding. Your hubris is showing.

I live in the same universe as you do, and probably the same one as everyone you and I know. That shouldn't have been to hard to figure out.

Fine. Then ask the infant. Or are you willing to adopt to prevent an abortion? Even if the infant is so severely disabled that life is constant pain? Otherwise stay out of other's lives.

What does the infant being disabled have to do with anything?

Yes, I will likely adopt a child sometime in my life.

"stay out of other's lives" Wait... Are you trying to tell me that I shouldn't intervene when someone is trying to take the life of an innocent human?

The procedure is between the woman and her doctor and none of your business. If you want to spare life go to Texas and petition the governor to stop his executing innocent people on death row.

Abortion is legal in this country. If you want to stop it work to stop unwanted pregnancies by working to provide better sex ed in the schools. Abstinence doesn't work, ask Bristol about that.

If abortion is criminalized, the procedure will return to the back alleys and bathrooms. Women will die of sepsis and blood loss. Conditions will be worse than now with women and fetuses dying.
Doctor Coathanger will come out of retirement and that is not a good thing.

"If you want to spare life go to Texas and petition the governor to stop his executing innocent people on death row."

Oh, ok. I'll completely ignore the legalized practice that results in 1.3 million murders a year and go protest the death sentence in Texas.

I don't know what innocent people are on death row in Texas right now, but that's a shame if it's true.

"If abortion is criminalized, the procedure will return to the back alleys and bathrooms." I really can't fathom why pro-choice advocates are still using this worn-out rhetoric*. Yes, I'm of course aware that this is true. But in contrast with the deaths that occur from healthy abortions, it's a small price to pay.

I'd also like to point out that any mother willing to put her own life at risk to violently murder (I mean have somebody else murder) her own unborn infant has got to be either criminally insane, or incredibly selfish.

*Now, since I like to chew on this bone everytime I get thrown one...

Why do you ALWAYS choose to dick with the law against murder? You ALWAYS use this warn out rhetoric mentioned above. It's like saying "If murder is legalized, the murderer has to pay the price, so we should outlaw murder." which is true. You just completely miss the bigger picture...

The bigger picture is that if abortion is outlawed it will not stop abortions from taking place. As bad as it is would you rather have it done in an alley or a hospital/clinic/office where the conditions are better? What if you or your sister or your daughter had to visit Dr. Coathanger?

Once again... Why is it that somehow allowing women to kill their unborn children is acceptable, yet killing people isn't?

Sure, it's not going to stop all abortions from happening, but it's going to cut the number down. Sort of like banning murder (or anything for that matter) will never work 100%.

Hmm... Maybe they could NOT visit "dr coathanger" at all? Ever considered that option??

If a woman is in a situation where she has to terminate the pregnancy she will. By a doctor, backalley butcher,or crochet hook, if she does not want the baby she will do what she has to. I have seen it when a teenager could not afford it or parents said no or other situation. Desperation is a powerful thing.

Adoption never crossed your mind...? There's more to life than death...

She should either:
1. Live with the mistake she made
2. Give the child up for adoption

Yes, I know. In the 1% of abortion cases caused by rape, it wasn't her mistake.

Good luck changing the world.

Good luck... Killing it I guess?

I do not perform abortions. Why do you persist in attempting to force your opinions/beliefs on others? Start saving China and India. They abort girls for free and on demand. As many in a day as they do here in a year. Or do you just want to save the white fetuses?

Because I as a citizen have representation, here in America.

You think you have the right to force others to follow your beliefs? Like they do in China or Saudi Arabia or as they did in the USSR? This is America and we don't have to follow your beliefs. Get your congressman or local/state lawmakers to change the law. SodaHead can't change the world.

My opinion means little. I'm not the one who would have to go through all the bodily changes with pregnancy.

So... Somehow that makes a male's opinion worth nothing?

Hell, why stop there? Obama isn't poor, nor has he ever been. So I suppose his opinion on what's good for the poor is worth little, right?

...See why that doesn't work? Yeah...

Your logic didn't follow mine. I gave biological reasoning.

Who am I to tell a woman she has to go through child birth?

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Now now, you're being tricky with words.

I suppose I spoke too quickly, but I assumed you were saying it's ok for her to have an abortion. (edit) Because it's her body.

Sure, no one can tell a woman to go through child birth, unless the alternative is murder. (Well, people can say whatever they want but you know what I mean)

Well, I'm also not making any claim as to whether or not abortion is murder or not either, but I understand what you're saying.

Because isn't it impossible for a guy to give birth anyway?

EGH, read above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...

well if it wasnt up to her....then it would be up to him. seeing as it is her body then ultimately the decision should rest with her. men dont make good single parents[of course there are exceptions]. suppose she had the baby..gave it to the father as agreed...and he failed miserably leaving her with the decision to become the parent[that she didnt want in the first place]..or she has to let social services take the child away. a woman can decide if she doesnt want to be a mother...but very rarely does she not take on that responsibility with flying colors when she has to.the instinct of a mother will take over even if she doesnt want it to.
it should be a womans choice regardless of the man.. however it should be a decision they both make. if he made her pregnant not knowing whether she wanted a child or not....well its his fault if she doent want to keep it. wear a condom or dont have sex with a woman who will abort. very simple.

Its always easier said than done...lets take the scenario...one step further... http://www.chartherct.com/wp-...

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