GM shares drop to 58-year low, global risks eyed

raves +5   by HairlessKats Oversoul
Isnt it ironic?

Lets see,, they flooded the housing market... and now it appears the car market too. What a great opportunity for GREEN vehicles to fill the void, that would be the smart way to go because if people refuse to buy gas powered cars they have no other choice except to go out of business. Quit fooling around GM give America the clean GAS FREE cars we want! Do what Obama is talking about and CREATE JOBS to fill this market!
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DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp shares plunged to their lowest level since 1950 on Thursday as concerns mounted that an industry decline that started in the United States was spreading and a leading forecaster warned global auto demand could "collapse" in 2009.

GM shares fell as much as 33 percent to $4.65, driving its market capitalization to its lowest level since 1929, according to California-based Global Financial Data. The stock closed down 31.11 percent at $4.76 on the New York Stock Exchange.

Shares of Ford Motor Co hit a 26-year low, shedding as much as 24 percent. The stock closed down 21.8 percent at $2.08. Shares of major auto parts makers also declined.

At its low, GM's market capitalization stood at $2.6 billion, compared with a market capitalization of about $4 billion in March 1929 before the stock market crash that preceded the Great Depression.

J.D. Power and Associates, a forecaster used by many in the industry to prepare their own outlooks, warned that no region was immune to financial turmoil, which has been hitting mature automotive markets harder than the emerging areas.

Standard & Poor's said on Thursday it could cut GM and Ford's credit ratings deeper into junk, saying that both automakers had enough liquidity through 2008, "but the accelerating deteriorating industry fundamentals will be a serious challenge to liquidity during 2009."

GM's decline accelerated after the S&P; warning, and it was one factor that contributed to a sharp slide in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, of which GM is a component.

Mirko Mikelic, a portfolio manager at Fifth Third Asset Management in Grand Rapids, Michigan, said sinking consumer confidence was probably the biggest reason for the decline in GM and Ford shares.

"Outside of the financial sector, there are issues with big ticket, discretionary consumer purchases like vehicles, so yes, auto stocks are absolutely among the most vulnerable," Mikelic said.

U.S. auto sales have fallen nearly 13 percent through the first nine months of 2008 and forecasters expect the worst year for sales since the early 1990s, and further declines in 2009 as the industry buckles under weak consumer demand.

The reports added pressure on U.S.-based GM, Ford and Chrysler, which are deep into restructuring plans and looking for ways to conserve cash until sales rebound.

Analysts say that other automakers in the U.S. market, led by Toyota Motor Corp, have deeper pockets to withstand the sales downturn.

Toyota made an unprecedented interest-free loan offer on 11 vehicle models after posting a 32 percent drop in sales in September. The program may be extended, North American sales chief Jim Lentz told Reuters on Thursday.

Of GM, Fitch Ratings managing director Mark Oline said: "There are heightened concerns that the economic conditions and the credit crisis will take a deepening cut out of volumes."

GM has announced plans to try to increase liquidity by $15 billion through cost cuts, asset sales and new borrowing.

GM spokeswoman Renee Rashid-Merem said the automaker remains focused on its liquidity plan and declined to comment on its stock price movements.

An investment banker who declined to be named because he is not authorized to comment on the record attributed the share decline to elimination of short-selling restrictions on the shares that had put the equity value out of balance with bond and credit-default swaps values.

"It all has to rebalance now," the banker said.

GLOBAL AUTO OUTLOOK IN QUESTION

Oline said GM's main difficulty was in the deteriorating domestic U.S. market, but there was concern that a global downturn in demand could hit GM's international operations as well, particularly in Western Europe, Russia and China.

"A further cut in volumes calls into question the adequacy of their liquidity and raises concerns about trade credits throughout the supply chain," he said.

GM, the largest U.S.-based automaker, posted a $15.5 billion net loss in the second quarter and plans to increase production of more fuel-efficient cars in North America to adjust to dropping demand for pickups and SUVs.

Striking the right production balance between cars and trucks is hard. Credit Suisse believes GM and Ford may have to dial back on passenger car production in the coming months.

GM could be expected to update its liquidity plans when it posts third-quarter results. It has not said when it will report its earnings.

Analysts and auto executives cut U.S. light vehicle sales forecasts for 2008 and 2009 as high gas prices buffeted sales of large vehicles earlier in the year and the credit crisis further weighed on consumer confidence.

More recently, there have been signs of slowing in mature European markets and more moderate growth expectations for emerging markets where automakers had aimed resources.

GM, which posted a 1.9 percent sales decline in Europe through the first nine months of 2008, and Ford have relied, to some extent, on growth outside North America to support them as they restructure at home.

Industry forecasters J.D. Power and Global Insight have lowered expectations for 2008 U.S. light vehicle sales and predict a slow recovery. They have also questioned sector growth in key regions overseas.

"While the global automotive industry is clearly experiencing a slowdown in 2008, the global market in 2009 may experience an outright collapse," said Jeff Schuster, J.D. Power's executive director of automotive forecasting.

In the United States, J.D. Power expects 2009 industry sales of 13.2 million, while Global Insight expects 13.4 million. U.S. auto sales were roughly 16.15 million units in 2007.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081009/ts_nm/us_autos_outlook
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  • raves +1   [-] by andreline
    Should We Give Billions Of Dollars to GM, Ford & Chrysler Or Use A Fraction Of That Money On Young US Automakers Who Can Make Money?!?

    An American car company with a mission to create a range of beautiful environmentally friendly cars that make environmental sense without compromise should be the choice of everyone in the US.

    Why not support new companies who clearly want to make a difference in not only the automotive industry, but to the environment as well. Companies that provide the latest technological advancements including cutting-edge plug-in hybrid and electric vehicles.

    A new segment is being created within the auto industry where people can really use their power of choice. They can choose to be environmentally friendly with their car purchase without compromising on the style and luxury that they are used to. Believe in less compromise and more efficiency.

    Choose new companies that strive to be serious environmental alternatives to other traditional cars on the road today.

    Its YOUR economy, YOUR environment and YOUR America.

    Choose Your Vehicle...
  • raves +1   [-] HairlessKats Oversoul replied to andreline
    absolutely I agree andreline... I feel awful for those who are going to lose their jobs but america can very easily make a statement here... since congress doesnt want to listen to us when we say NO BAIL OUT for GM and the other automakers who were some of the FIRST car producers in the world.. but have had such a strangle hold on our economy for so long that they intentionally did NOT retool and produce clean cars knowing all along they could insist they were to important to go under and so full of ego they never thought they would hear NO... just dont buy a new car. Iv been saying that for 2 years now... only buy a car that is used .. our market is flooded.. do not by new!!

    These guys dont deserve one red dime... Obama should give that money to a young car maker as you said producing clean vehicles ,, and that company should be given tons of incentives to rehire people from the original makers factories as they have that sort of experince and will learn quickly whats required of them...
  • raves +1   [-] andreline replied to HairlessKats Oversoul
    well put HK
  • raves +2   [-] by Underfrog
    Regardless, cannot afford to buy another car for at least five years. Would be nice if they were given away but am not holding my breath.
  • raves +3   [-] by sadiesmom
    New, fresh, smart ideas..what's not to like..can't hurt, considering where we are now!!
  • raves +2   [-] by solarGil
    There really is an amazing opportunity out there to develop the entire alternative energy industry. It truly would solve an entire host of issues - cut our dependence on foreign oil thus eliminating the need for us to wage war in the middle east, drastically reduce greenhouse gases and help out with the global warming/climate change issue, and create a whole new industrial revolution in our country and around the globe. BIG OIL continues to stand in the way - and will continue to do so until they make every last cent from fossil fuels.
    Of course, we the consumer, do have control over this situation. We installed a 10 kilowatt photovoltaic system (solar panels) on our home 2 1/2 years ago. Since then we've been producing about 85% of all the electricity we use annually. If we could stop using our central air in the warmer months we would actually produce more electricity than we need. Ultimately, after the 40k rebate we got from our local electric company, and the 7k we got back on our state and fed taxes, it cost us 17k out of pocket to install the system. We should break even in less than 6 years and after that it all becomes sheer profit for us. Why do I bring this up? To make a point that renewables do work - I have the proof sitting in my backyard. Also to emphasize that we all can be doing things to drive the market. Why did GM make all those Hummers, Yukons, Denalis, etc. that get a few miles to the gallon? They made them because they could sell them because stupid Americans bought them. If we as consumers refuse to consume corporate America's garbage - they will be forced to change what they produce.
    GM's relationship with Big Oil has not served them well. It led them to kill production of the electric car. Just think how many billions of gallons of oil that would have been saved if the electric car was widely owned in the US. It has also created the climate for GM to produce autos that are fuel inefficient. All I can say is that it has come full circle and is now biting them in the ass.
    Remember folks - renewables work and consume wisely.
  • raves +2   [-] by Black&Beautiful
    I just saw this. And the sh*T is really hitting the fan.
  • raves +2   [-] by PigsOnSoma
    They should have started building greener cars sooner. They shouldn't have killed their own electric car - a car people who leased them, loved. And now they're hard pressed to get credit to redesign and build cars that people would buy.

    Their bs relationship with the oil companies, to maintain oil as the fuel of choice is costing them right now. Toyota and even smaller US companies are well ahead of the curve - and GM is going to have a really hard time to catch up.
  • raves +3   [-] HairlessKats Oversoul replied to PigsOnSoma
    agreed.. and I hope Obama drops the import tax's on cars made overseas until they do or they go totally out of business... I would love to see these big oil corps go DOWN..
  • raves +2   [-] PigsOnSoma replied to HairlessKats Oversoul
    That's why I don't support the Pickens plan - it's about these yahoos keeping control of the energy supply. They've had all these years to change it - but instead they actively supressed it. Now they're hurting (well, scared would be more accurate) - and they want to keep us paying them.
  • raves +2   [-] HairlessKats Oversoul replied to PigsOnSoma
    no kidding,, when I first heard him talking on tv at first I thought,, okay this guy looks nice,,, then as Im watching it sinks in.. this is one of the wealthiest people in america.. the LAST thing this guy wants is to be put out of business... not someone I wanna trust with our future no.
  • raves +3   [-] solarGil replied to PigsOnSoma
    It's always about the money. If you want to know what is going to make a profit - just look and see where the heads of industry invest. While you might think that Pickens has enough money already, it is interesting to watch his focus. He's bailed on oil and is sinking his money into wind power. He's shrewd enough to realize that there's not much more profit to be made from oil - the supplies are waning. He's also shrewd enough to know that wind power is definitely a viable way to produce electricity and compressed natural gas is a viable way to power autos. I guess my point is - don't discount his plan cause he's a big oil rich fat cat. He's in the unique position to see the handwriting on the wall and to finance the technology change that will make him a big wind rich fat cat. He's rich, he'll always be rich but at least we all stand to benefit from his actions through the development of renewables, the creation of jobs to build the infrastructure necessary to produce and transport the electricity generated from the wind turbines to the rest of the country, and ultimately the reduction of our dependence on fossil fuels.
  • raves +2   [-] PigsOnSoma replied to solarGil
    I understand he is in a position to implement plans that others have come up with a long time ago, and that people like him have made every effort to marginalize and snuff this competion - until it now suits them. There are smaller companies who have worked on, are working on, and are producing products that consume less resources - instead of people flocking to those who will keep their hold on power at all costs - why don't we the people make an effort to look at our alternatives.

    For example - if people invested in their own geothermal/solar units - then his wind farms can belly up for all I care. But I am making an effort not to depend on the likes of him.
  • raves +3   [-] solarGil replied to PigsOnSoma
    It would be wonderful if people invested in their own geothermal/solar units. I'm a huge advocate of that. Unfortunately, it takes cash - something almost everyone seems to have a shortage of these days. I spoke to someone last week who installed a geothermal system in his house - it cost him 30k. He's got that and his entire roof is solar (panels on the south facing side and solar shingles on the north facing side) and he's off the grid at this point. He's spent a fortune doing it though. He's also did the environmentally friendly cellulose foam insulation throughout and special windows. It takes a special kind of commitment and money to make your house that green. I'd love to do it too - just don't have the cash to spend on that. But yes, if people invested in these renewable technologies for their homes we'd make a huge dent in our dependence on fossil fuels. In the meantime though I hope that Pickens builds lots of wind mills, and I hope that other smaller companies get on the band wagon too. The problem is a huge one and I think we need everyone front and center working on solutions.
  • raves +2   [-] PigsOnSoma replied to solarGil
    True - this stuff is costly. We're building a new house that will be as independant as is possible - and it isn't cheap.

    But in my neigborhood it seems people buy a new car every other year - and they keep mortgaging (or at least did) their house to consume resources - rather than invest in the future. I rarely drive when it's over 40 out - I use my bicycle. Stores, meetings etc - I have no problem getting around. If I have to go more than 15 miles or so I do drive, but my husband and I share a car - and ultimately we have no need for two. When you consider a second vehicle - that's 30K right there.

    And I won't say it wasn't a complete lifestyle makeover - when my car finally drew its last breath some 10 years ago - I wanted to see how long I could do without. It was a challenge at first - but in the end it has proven healthier all around.
  • raves +2   [-] Black&Beautiful replied to HairlessKats Oversoul
    I do too. I would like the entire financial institution just fail and just be built back up to something that works for the people.
  • raves +1   [-] by suzi
    Do you have a clue how long it takes for green=clean vehicles? How long it takes for the 'government to approve'? How long it take for prototype vehicles to become a reality"? How engineering works?

    Similar to the drug companies, ten years, I believe in testing, before FDA even considers approving, then costs are so high, to recap prototype, insurance won't pay, etc., WELL , guess what, it is the SAME mandates that the auto companies have to do, especially if manufactured in the US. And one last word, which I am so sure, I will get lamb basted for: IF AMERICAN, BUY AMERICAN.
  • raves +2   [-] HairlessKats Oversoul replied to suzi
    do you know how many overseas companies already HAVE green cars on their product lines? Do you know how many years these car manufacturers have had that they SHOULD have already been in their investment lines but HAVENT been because of big oil having such a huge stake in them? And now they want a BAIL OUT to retool their equipment.. CAPITALIZE THE GAINS ... SOCIALIZE the loss's!! So not only do we have to deal with dying from the pollution these cars have caused, we have to pay exorbanent costs for gas free cars that WE tax payers are now going to pay for the making and producing of.. what a load of crap!

    And you know what,, even for 10 years of testing which I really disbelieve since the HPV vaccine and many other drugs seem to be causing so many horrible side effects within a short perioud of time since their release.... those companies pay for their OWN testing by their OWN people and make out like bandits even when they release drugs that HURT people by the thousands .. and they do it KNOWING that no matter what their financial take will outweigh whatever lawsuits are filed against them for harm those drugs cause. Can you say OXYCOTIN? Gee is it any wonder they want CAPS on those 'frivoluse' lawsuits?

    If you dont like my blog dont read it... theres no reason to be obnoxiouse.
  • raves +1   [-] suzi replied to HairlessKats Oversoul
    Saw the BIG OIL stake sentence and got crazy. YOU need to prove that, and I assure, you that you CANNOT. YOU obviously do not have a clue, not a single clue what mandates the Federal gov. puts on auto manufacturers in the US; but not foreign imports. Anyway, unless you can provide facts that I will surely dispute, I can't waste anymore time with you. You have said things that are clearly untrue and that you only think, but can't prove. Both of us worked YEARS and YEARS in engineering, and in automotive manufacturing and unless you know first hand, all you are spouting is hog wash.
  • raves +2   [-] PigsOnSoma replied to suzi
    GM killed its own electric car. They did it - but the people that leased them wanted to keep them. Still GM recalled and trashed them. Why? Because of GMs relationship with oil.